Preseason All Big 12 Awards Announced
by Owen on Oct 14, 2010 10:44 AM CDT
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PrintH/T to Bensa for the Fanshot, but I just wanted to layout the whole listing of honors that were announced. Plenty of representation from the state of Kansas and Missouri on here.
Big 12 Conference Preseason All-Big 12 Men's Basketball Accolades
Preseason Player of the Year - Jacob Pullen, Kansas State, G
Preseason Newcomer of the Year - Ricardo Ratliffe, Missouri, F
Preseason Freshman of the Year - Josh Selby, KANSAS, G
2010-11 Preseason All-Big 12 Team
LaceDarius Dunn, Baylor, G
Cory Higgins, Colorado, G
Marcus Morris, KANSAS, F
Curtis Kelly, Kansas State, F
Jacob Pullen, Kansas State, G
Honorable Mention
(listed alphabetically by school): Alec Burks, Colorado; Josh Selby & Tyshawn Taylor, KANSAS; Jamar Samuels, Kansas State; Kim English, Missouri;Jordan Hamilton, Gary Johnson & Cory Joseph, Texas; David Loubeau, Texas A&M; John Roberson & Mike Singletary, Texas Tech
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Don't get me wrong on this,
I like Jacob Pullen. A lot. I think he’s really, really good. But there’s almost no chance in my mind that he ends up the Big XII POY at the end of the year. For some reason, I feel pretty confident that K-State is going to under-achieve this season. They’ll be good, as will Pullen, but how will he react to being the keyed-on player EVERY night? K-State isn’t so deep at guard this year as they were last year, and defenses are going to focus on stopping Pullen as much as possible. Not saying he doesn’t put up some good numbers occasionally, but I don’t view him as a gets-his-own-shot-and-points-whenever-he-wants-them kind of player.
But that’s just me.
When is Late Night?
Your predictions might be accurate
But there is still no reason why the Beard shouldn’t be voted PRESEASON POTY
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by Andrew Clark on Oct 14, 2010 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions
I think the depth at guard is better than last year
Pullen, McGruber, Irving, Southwell and I can’t even remember the rest of the guys. Yes, Clemente was amazingly fast, but he was also erratic. I think KSU will miss his explosiveness, but not his penchant for dumb decisions and poor shot selection.
I don't measure a man's success by how high he climbs but how high he bounces when he hits bottom. - Gen. George S. Patton
Curtis Kelly? Really??
Mc Morris is the best post player but theres gotta be someone better than Kelly
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I get the feeling
that Bensa and KU Grad 08 didn’t watch much K-State basketball last year, other than the games where the Cats played the Hawks. Kelly is a beast, and Jake is freakin’ nails!
"Everybody gets one chance to do something great. Most people never take the chance, either 'cause they're too scared, or because they don't recognize it when it spits on their shoes. This is your big chance, and you shouldn't let it go by..."
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by K. Scott Bailey on Oct 14, 2010 11:47 AM CDT reply actions
I'm more interested in seeing how Pullen
in seeing how Pullen reacts to being THE guy. Last year he had Clemente with him in the backcourt. This year…not so much. Again, I like the guy. I think he’s really good, but I’m not sure he’s good enough to get his own shot and his own points whenever he wants them.
When is Late Night?
No sorry
I don’t watch other basketball teams when I could watch KU, my alma matter, you know the juggernaut of the conference. The won who has won the league six strait times, won a national title two years ago, etc.
The only image I have of your forwards is Aldrich and Morris abusing them. You know when we won three games against you last year…
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by Andrew Clark on Oct 14, 2010 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions
How did that end up for you?
My Cats played (and won) one of the classic NCAA tournament games of all time, with Jake cementing his clutch reputation. Remind me how KU did in that tournament we were both in at the last of the season? ;)
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by K. Scott Bailey on Oct 14, 2010 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions
In the Championship game? Oh...to get to the Championship game in the Final 4? Oh...
one of the classic NCAA tournament games of all time
Nobody will ever forget game.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
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by Warden11 on Oct 14, 2010 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Classic eh?
I just laughed up my kool aid. In a sweet 16 game you beat Xavier. Woo. Thats called a great tournament game. There are 4 of those every year. A “classic” game is KU beating Memphis in the title game, or Indiana winning on Smart’s game winner. Games that mean something. And I never said Pullen didn’t deserve POTY, I told Bensa he did. I just thought there was someone better than Kelly, who scored 11 points a game last year and didn’t blow me away.
The second part of your comment is why KState fans are so annoying. Yes, you guys got further than us in ONE TOURNAMENT. ONE! What happened in the previous 30?
We won the league, beat you THREE times, yet you are going to talk shit because you advanced further in one tournament. Like your season is automatically better than ours, despite what I just listed? Please.
::chugs more koolaid::
Forgive my outburst, but you guys need to get your learn onnn. We went 33-3 last year. 15-1 in the league. Won that league six strait times. Please spare me the “we advanced further in the tournament” crap.
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by Andrew Clark on Oct 14, 2010 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions
In the end,
that’s how seasons are measured. And it’s not Purple koolaid to say that the Xavier game was one of the best of all time. I have KU fan friends that have even told me that. Also, I don’t defend the “KSU as preseason #1” pick. The league is KU’s to lose — and hopefully KSU will take it from them this year. But, until we do, KU is the champ.
"Everybody gets one chance to do something great. Most people never take the chance, either 'cause they're too scared, or because they don't recognize it when it spits on their shoes. This is your big chance, and you shouldn't let it go by..."
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by K. Scott Bailey on Oct 14, 2010 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
No thats now how seasons are measured
You are a KState fan and new to following a good basketball team, so I’ll give you a pass here.
If you don’t make the final 4, it really doesn’t matter that much when you lose in the tournament. The tournament is a crapshoot. Upsets happen all the time.
KU won the league title AND the tournament title. People will remember that, and the fact that KU has won 6 strait of them before they remember KSU was in the Elite 8 last year.
In ten, 20, 50 years, people will say Bill Self won x amount Big 12 titles, had x amount Final 4 appearances, etc. Elite 8s don’t mean shit. Trust me, KU has made two of them under Self apart from the title run.
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by Andrew Clark on Oct 14, 2010 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Your typical fictional bird condescension aside,
the people I’ve heard talk about the Xavier game have made the point that it will be remembered alongside the Duke/UK Elite Eight game as one of the best ever.
"Everybody gets one chance to do something great. Most people never take the chance, either 'cause they're too scared, or because they don't recognize it when it spits on their shoes. This is your big chance, and you shouldn't let it go by..."
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by K. Scott Bailey on Oct 14, 2010 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
One of the best of the year
Not one of the best ever. It was a great game, but like I said, its march. That game was no better than KU’s win over Arizona in 2002 on our way to the title game (Elite 8). No one remembers that game outside of the KU fanbase. It was almost identical to the KSU Xavier game
“typical fictional bird condescension” ? wow, way to throw out the generic KState jab. Whats next, we cheated to win our title? Our coach has a hairpiece? Mangino is fat?
You can do better
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by Andrew Clark on Oct 14, 2010 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Your previous post
was condescending claptrap. I responded in kind. Don’t take my word for it on the Xavier game. Send an email to Gus Johnson. Ask around to people who watched that game without the red and blue shades on. You’ll hear what I’ve heard about that game.
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by K. Scott Bailey on Oct 14, 2010 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Gus Johnson? That guy never gets excited about anything...
I admitted it was a great game. I just don’t think its going to be remembered nationally like you think it will. It doesn’t compare to Illinois-Arizona in 2003, game to go to the final 4 which was more exciting and had more on the line. Just my opinion.
You can keep screaming stuff at me, not going to change my opinion. So keep yelling how great it was. How everyone loved it. Etc etc. Won’t change my opinion. Great game, not one of the greatest ever
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by Andrew Clark on Oct 14, 2010 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Each fanbase is different obviously but if you took a national poll
I wonder what two games would be voted most memorable from last year? I bet the championship w/ Duke and Butler would be #1. I wouldn’t be shocked if KU being upset was voted #2.
Is that too much kool-aid or does anyone else agree?
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
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That'd be it
Ohio over GTown be up there too
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by Andrew Clark on Oct 14, 2010 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I didn't think it was a "great" game.
Just a typical NCAA tournament game between two good teams playing a win-or-go-home game.
Nothing unusual about that.
build a damn football program, beat some ass, and get on tv more.
I don't think you really believe that.
Or else you didn’t watch that game.
(It’s fun to be trolled on someone else’s site!)`
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by K. Scott Bailey on Oct 14, 2010 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions
I really do believe that.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball...Rock Chalk Talk
In all honesty I didn't really remember any game except who won the championship
I was too busy drinking
It's not that I'm lazy; it's that I just don't care. (#739)
Then you didn't watch the game.
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by K. Scott Bailey on Oct 14, 2010 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, yeah I did.
Just that neither team made the Final 4, so it had no huge impact on my opinion of the tournament. Like has been said multiple times in this thread, for non-KSU fans that game was a very good tournament game.
Those games happen every year.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball...Rock Chalk Talk
No, they don't.
Not shot after shot after shot like that. But, alas! It was a K-State game, so I’ll never convince you that it was a truly classic game. Have fun tonight (right up to kickoff, that is), and see my messages at the bottom here for details…
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by K. Scott Bailey on Oct 14, 2010 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions
just off the top of my head
this one came to mind and I looked it up in about 15 seconds:
2004-2005 – Illinois
“They gained a #1 seed in the “big dance” and posted one of the most memorable games in NCAA history against Arizona. Down 15 points with around 4 minutes left, the Illini sparked a run led by Luther Head and Deron Williams. The game was sent into overtime and the orange and blue pulled off the one point win to advance to the Final Four in St. Louis."
I knew it was Illinois but had no idea who they played because the team that lost didn’t make the Final Four. I seriously just thought of that in a matter of seconds.
K.Scott I agree with you that it was a wonderful game and I do think KUGrad should cut you a little slack because of course your going to feel the way you do about that game and your season. But these games really do happen every year, that’s what makes the tourney so fun to watch every March.
I have to agree with them, there is making the Final Four and then everything else. That doesn’t mean you shouldn’t use the fact that “many players from an Elite 8 squad from last year are back” when talking about the Cats this coming year, but just because you advance further in the tourney does not automatically qualify you as having a better year.
If you hang Elite 8 banners it can be pretty fun, but we wouldn’t have enough space if we did that.
by I need more Esteban on Oct 14, 2010 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I cut no one slack
As Tony Montana said “All I’ve got is my word and my balls…and I don’t break em for nobody”
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by Andrew Clark on Oct 14, 2010 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions
I mentioned the Illinois game earlier...
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by Andrew Clark on Oct 14, 2010 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions
shit
didn’t realize you did…maybe that is why I put it
by I need more Esteban on Oct 16, 2010 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions
It was a great game...
but this..
it will be remembered alongside the Duke/UK Elite Eight game as one of the best ever.
Come on? Duke went on to win the title. It had two “blue blood” programs with high profile players and high profile coaches in a game that decided who went to the final four.
K-State/Xavier…nope. No Final Four participant, not the same level of national notoriety for either team. That’s not me trying to knock K-State but it’s reality.
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"I have KU fan friends that have even told me that."
Here’s a big clue:
That “KU friend” that told you that? He did so because he knew that that was the easiest way to get you to shut the f*ck up.
build a damn football program, beat some ass, and get on tv more.
by Rivethead on Oct 14, 2010 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
first bball comment Ive ever seen you make
and it’s gold. Good ratio there
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No, he just knows an instant classic when he sees it.
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by K. Scott Bailey on Oct 14, 2010 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions
You know it's a great day on RCT
when Rivet gets into a basketball thread. Go Jayhawks!!!
When is Late Night?
Game. Set. Match
Rivet wins, its over. I’m still laughing
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by Andrew Clark on Oct 14, 2010 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm laughing as well
at people declaring “victory” on their own message board.
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by K. Scott Bailey on Oct 14, 2010 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Its a joke mon
I thought what Rivet said was funny. Sense of humor?
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by Andrew Clark on Oct 14, 2010 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions
And after looking it up
His 10, 4, and 8 points against us is likely why
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by Andrew Clark on Oct 14, 2010 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Pullen over Morris huh? Weird.
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actually
Id like to amend that and say stupid
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Whatever
Marcus Morris, 13.4 ppg,, 6.1 rpg,, 1.0 apg., 57%FG, 66%FT, 38%3-PT(12-32)
Jacob Pullen, 19.4 ppg, 2.4 rpg., 3.4 apg, 42%FG, 82%FT, 40%3-PT(110-278)
The numbers don’t lie.
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by K. Scott Bailey on Oct 14, 2010 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions
well, if you use per game numbers I can see how you would think that
if you use the correct numbers however it becomes pretty close
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Are you serious?
Basketball is MEASURED in per-game numbers. What stat have you concocted that somehow proves the false point that Morris>Pullen? It really ISN’T close for Preseason PotY between the two of them.
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by K. Scott Bailey on Oct 14, 2010 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions
No it isn't
Baseball is measured in numbers. Basketball is not. Zach Randolf averaged a 22 and 10 so therefore he is a great NBA player right?
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by Andrew Clark on Oct 14, 2010 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh, give it a rest!
Pullen isn’t Randolph. And, for the most part, basketball IS measured in numbers—and if Morris had better numbers, you would agree with that point. But, this is quickly devolving into an episode of “I-don’t-give-a-crap-about-the-facts” discussion, and I’m not interested.
"Everybody gets one chance to do something great. Most people never take the chance, either 'cause they're too scared, or because they don't recognize it when it spits on their shoes. This is your big chance, and you shouldn't let it go by..."
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by K. Scott Bailey on Oct 14, 2010 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
An overall player is measured more than by scoring
I said I think Pullen should be the POTY winner in the preseason. But just because he scores more doesn’t make him a better player than Morris. There is a lot more to factor in. If you can’t see that side of it…well…wow
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by Andrew Clark on Oct 14, 2010 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Pullen is complete
He plays D, he has a solid Assist/Turnover ratio, he shoots free throws well, and he shoots the 3 well. Are there Jeff Georges/Zach Randolphs out there, that are stat mirages? Sure. But, normally, if a guy is putting up numbers solid across the board, he truly IS a great player.
"Everybody gets one chance to do something great. Most people never take the chance, either 'cause they're too scared, or because they don't recognize it when it spits on their shoes. This is your big chance, and you shouldn't let it go by..."
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by K. Scott Bailey on Oct 14, 2010 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Complete but WONT be drafted?
While half of KU’s team will
It's not that I'm lazy; it's that I just don't care. (#739)
Now THAT
is REALLY not how you measure college PotYs. Good show!
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by K. Scott Bailey on Oct 14, 2010 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Never said that!
Just saying he isn’t complete.
It's not that I'm lazy; it's that I just don't care. (#739)
And that's nonsense.
"Everybody gets one chance to do something great. Most people never take the chance, either 'cause they're too scared, or because they don't recognize it when it spits on their shoes. This is your big chance, and you shouldn't let it go by..."
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by K. Scott Bailey on Oct 14, 2010 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions
He is too short to be a complete player.
It's not that I'm lazy; it's that I just don't care. (#739)
That's even more nonsensical.
"Everybody gets one chance to do something great. Most people never take the chance, either 'cause they're too scared, or because they don't recognize it when it spits on their shoes. This is your big chance, and you shouldn't let it go by..."
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by K. Scott Bailey on Oct 14, 2010 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Allen Iverson?
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball...Rock Chalk Talk
I'll just go ahead and say it:
Marcus Morris is a better post-up player than Jacob Pullen.
When is Late Night?
by Bensa on Oct 14, 2010 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
LOL
True enough! :)
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by K. Scott Bailey on Oct 14, 2010 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh, and I almost forgot:
He’s also a better pure shooter, a better rebounder, a better dunker (since that matters a lot), has a better scorer’s mentality, can block shots, can run the floor better than almost any 6’8" college player, and has rounded into a solid leader. I’ll take Marcus Morris. You can have Pullen.
When is Late Night?
The numbers belie your statistical claims.
But I agree with you on one point: I wouldn’t trade Pullen for Morris either.
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by K. Scott Bailey on Oct 14, 2010 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, I'm glad we can agree on something...
but I will quibble with you on one thing. I made no statistical claims whatever in that post. I know Pullen’s 3FG% is higher than McMorris, but I still think Morris is a better pure shooter.
When is Late Night?
And you back up your thinking on that with?
"Everybody gets one chance to do something great. Most people never take the chance, either 'cause they're too scared, or because they don't recognize it when it spits on their shoes. This is your big chance, and you shouldn't let it go by..."
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by K. Scott Bailey on Oct 14, 2010 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions
It's just an opinion.
Albeit a highly-educated one. As anybody who frequents this website knows, my opinions and predictions are pretty much never wrong.
But seriously, Marcus Morris has a great shooting touch from pretty much anywhere on the floor. Don’t forget that last year, he was, what, 4th option on the floor and he still averaged 13 pts. a game? On that team? I’m getting away from my point, but still. Pretty impressive, if you ask me.
Back to the shooting argument: I’m not saying the numbers back me up (in fact, I’ve already said the numbers DON’T back me up), but if you watch Morris closely, you’ll see the same shooting motion from 5 feet as he has from 25 and beyond. It’s a pure, pure stroke. I think Fraschilla (or somebody who was calling a KU game last year, it may not have been Fraschilla) called it one of the purest shooting strokes he had ever seen. He’s a great shooter, and I think that will become VERY obvious this season. He will be virtually unguardable during certain stretches this year.
When is Late Night?
basketball absolutely is not measured in per game numbers
smart people figured that out in the 50s
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by fetch9 on Oct 14, 2010 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Are there deeper, sabermetric-type stats?
Sure. But, for the most part, people who put up solid numbers, truly ARE solid players.
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by K. Scott Bailey on Oct 14, 2010 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions
so if there are better stats
why look at the not as good stats?
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by fetch9 on Oct 14, 2010 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm With You
I suggested scoring efficiency. I suggested true shooting percentage. I suggested a number of these.
If we have the means to truly look into these things, why scratch the surface?
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East Coast turned Midwest
Beats me.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
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Because most laypeople don't have a clue about the deeper stats.
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by K. Scott Bailey on Oct 14, 2010 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Remember
We aren’t laypeople. We are citizens of the Vatican of College Basketball… Lawrence, Kansas.
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East Coast turned Midwest
by scouted on Oct 14, 2010 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
most people don't have a clue about advanced internal medicine
so we should just go back to bleeding people and not using anesthesia
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We're talking about preseason-PotY for cripes' sake! :)
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by K. Scott Bailey on Oct 14, 2010 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions
A Voice of Reason
Did you honestly compare a Forward with a Guard.? To suggest that the stats included would implicate the forward?
I don’t know where to start…
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East Coast turned Midwest
Yes
Scoring is a comparable stat, as is comparing the measurables AS A WHOLE. Preseason, Pullen is the clear choice.
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by K. Scott Bailey on Oct 14, 2010 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Then the POY, in your eyes has devolved into what the Cy Young was a few years ago. If you base your argument upon scoring alone, why wouldn’t someone like Jimmer Fredette have won the Naismith last year?
Other statistical variety must be included in the discussion. An offense run through a single player could skew the issue. Steals, blocks, offensive efficiency, true shooting percentage, etc. All of this needs to be incorporated into a discussion of ‘best player in the league.’
Scoring alone is like looking into the ocean and only seeing blue/green. Look deeper.
"President Bartlet: A long flight across the night. You know why late flights are good? Because we cease to be earthbound and burdened with practicality. Asking important questions. Talking about the idea that nobody has thought about yet. Put it a different way...
Sam Seaborn: Be poets."
-The West Wing, Season Two, 'The Portland Trip'
East Coast turned Midwest
I certainly HAVE "looked deeper"
Pullen is a good A/TO guy, and makes his team better on many levels. What we’re discussing here is stats that are easily-accessible to the layperson, and that clearly point out that Pullen is a solid preseason PotY choice.
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by K. Scott Bailey on Oct 14, 2010 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Pullen puts the ball in the net. I do not discount that. Unfortunately, his A/TO ratio was no better than Tyshawn Taylor last year (1.37 to 1.98 over a similar sample size).
Pullen’s job is to score. He does it well. Morris’ job last year was to defend and rebound. He did those well, but also made an impact in the scoring column.
Excellence is exceeding one’s role. Pullen more than satisfactorily upheld his role, but didn’t make an impact elsewhere.
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East Coast turned Midwest
You've got to be kidding.
He didn’t make an impact elsewhere? Seriously? An A/TO of 1.37 is solid for a shooting guard. Also, 3.6 apg from a SG is serious as well. He also grabbed just under two steals per game. I get the distinct sense that you’re trying to cherry-pick the numbers simply to prove your point.
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by K. Scott Bailey on Oct 14, 2010 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Cherry-picking numbers?
Yes, and Jacob Pullen will end up POY because he is the Baron Davis of KState.
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Sam Seaborn: Be poets."
-The West Wing, Season Two, 'The Portland Trip'
East Coast turned Midwest
Pullen is PRESEASON PotY
and deservedly so, because he’s solid across the board.
"Everybody gets one chance to do something great. Most people never take the chance, either 'cause they're too scared, or because they don't recognize it when it spits on their shoes. This is your big chance, and you shouldn't let it go by..."
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by K. Scott Bailey on Oct 14, 2010 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions
I think fetch killed a guy.
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Sam Seaborn: Be poets."
-The West Wing, Season Two, 'The Portland Trip'
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by scouted on Oct 14, 2010 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Yeah I've been meaning to talk to you Fetch
You should find a relative or a safe house and lay low for a while, because you’re probably wanted for murder
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by Andrew Clark on Oct 14, 2010 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I love lamp
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I'll give Kay Bailey Hutchinson credit
He’s persistant.
build a damn football program, beat some ass, and get on tv more.
When all else fails,
make a lame joke about someone’s name. Well played!
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by K. Scott Bailey on Oct 14, 2010 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know about the "fails" part, but
Bensa’s correct. I should not call people names.
Although Sen. Hutchinson is highly regarded, so you should actually take it as a compliment.
build a damn football program, beat some ass, and get on tv more.
never understood why everybody thought Kstate was soooo frekin good.
they have the most overrated frontcourt ever
Well, it's been fun, boys!
Seriously, it has!
But, I’ve got three grad school deadlines staring me in the face starting tomorrow, and going through Sunday, so I have to quit padding RCT’s page view stats. Later gents!
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by K. Scott Bailey on Oct 14, 2010 1:41 PM CDT reply actions
Oh, one last thing, as I head out the virtual door:
we should really make this kind of thing a more frequent happening. Something like a home-and-home message board “fight night” or something. I could find random articles praising the Cats over the Hawks in basketball for some reason, and then we could fight for an hour or two. Quite entertaining for all, I think! :)
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by K. Scott Bailey on Oct 14, 2010 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions
I hope this keeps up.
Bill Self’s going to have these guys so pissed and hungry by the time these games get here that we’re going to run teams out of the gym. I love it.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
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Wow
didn’t realize “douche” started with a K
by PenguinHawk on Oct 14, 2010 2:09 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Speaking of wow.
Not sure what I did to deserve this. Here I thought we were all just having a good ol’ K-State/KU argument, when this guy drops this little nugget.
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by K. Scott Bailey on Oct 14, 2010 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, mabye he was talking about something else?
Welcome to rivalry week, I guess.
The only people who really know where [the edge] is are the ones who have gone over it.
by SagehenMacGyver47 on Oct 14, 2010 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, sure.
His comment kind of struck me like when a bunch of folks are gathered around, talking some trash in (relatively) good fun, and then some guy pipes up with some remark that just kind of makes everyone go, “Why?” I doubt that even those who were doing some friendly “jousting” with me above support that kind of drop-in insult. If they do, oh well, I guess.
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by K. Scott Bailey on Oct 14, 2010 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't take it too hard
I have called many of my fellow KU fans much worse. Sometimes we get carried away.
It's not that I'm lazy; it's that I just don't care. (#739)
No biggie, it just struck me as weird, coming out of nowhere like it did.
Kinda like the guy at a party who takes things just a BIT too far, you know?
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by K. Scott Bailey on Oct 14, 2010 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions
I just wanted to get this to 100 comments
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