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Roundtable from the Kansas side today.  Tomorrow morning we've got a roundtable Q&A from the guys over at "Bring on the Cats"

Today's Topics:

  1. Kansas State v Nebraska.  Did it change your thoughts on the matchup?
  2. Big 12.  Up, Down, more balanced, what's the deal?
  3. What bball non-con and conference game are you most looking forward to and why?  Just one.
  4. Tell us why you'd vote against Kansas in the Big 12 preseason bball poll.
  5. Thursday night game...good or bad? More purple or more blue in the stands?

Give us your take or just critique ours and if you'd be interested in participating as a guest in the future, send me an email, Penguin did!  denverjhawk@hotmail.com

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1.  Did the result and the play on the field during the Nebraska v K-State game change your thoughts on this weeks game against the Wildcats?

Owen:

For me it changed my thoughts on our trip to Lincoln more than anything, that one doesn't look pretty.  All kidding aside, I'd say it made me feel like we can matchup athletically with K-State.  They have a good offensive line and Daniel Thomas is a stud, but they just don't appear to have the quarterback or receivers that can really make you pay. Of course now they are going to throw for 400+ on us since I said that.

Warden:

It gave me hope for this week.  It reminded that while K-State is a solid, well-coached team.  Athletically, they're on the same level as us.  K-State has struggled with their rush defense this year, hopefully that means a lot of Sims going downhill on Thursday.

Fetch:

I think it gave me a little more hope. Nebraska is really really good, but K State seems like a pretty one dimensional team, and we did pretty well against the last one dimensional team we faced at home.


2.  What are your overall thoughts on Big 12 football this season?  Down year?  Just more balanced? Who are the legit contenders?

Owen:

At first I would have said down year, which it might still be.  At the same time it feels as though things are much more balanced than in years past.  I don't know that there is as much separation by the top 2(OU and Nebraska) than there has been in years past. Problem is I think it may be from the top tier drifting back to the pack and not vice versa.

Warden:

I thought it was down but Nebraska looks pretty good.  Outside of their game two weeks ago, they've been solid.  Oklahoma is sitting in the right spot but I'm not sold on them right now.  In the end, I guess I'd say the top isn't as heavy with Texas not in there.  More balanced?  Geographically, yes.  Nebraska and Missouri are going to win some games against the south teams.  That's a plus, right?

Fetch:

I think it's pretty brutal. I still say Oklahoma is the class of the league, but Nebraska is right there. I'm mildly excited to not have to see Taylor Martinez over the next three years as well.



3.  We're officially in basketball season.  Media day was Tuesday, Late Night Friday. What non-con and conference game are you MOST looking forward. Only one from each.
Owen:

Arizona in Vegas and K-State at the Fieldhouse.  Sorry that might be too easy a question.  Here's why though, Arizona seems to be gaining some momentum again and this one becomes as important as UCLA in terms of perception to the West.  As for K-State in the Fieldhouse, it's a must win for the conference crown and should be a HUGE game.

Warden:

I'll go with the ‘Zona game at Vegas for the non-con game.  Gameday in Lawrence for the K-State game will be fun but I'm more excited about the game in Manhattan.  Go on the road and beat them there.  That's what I'm looking forward to this year.

Fetch:

Only one? You jerk. I'm going to say Memphis in Madison Square Garden. They have the #1 recruiting class (I believe) coming in, and some nice talent coming back. Should be a really good game on a neutral floor. Conference wise I am going to think outside the box and say at Nebraska. Going in there and beating them by 40 should be a nice send off.

 

4.  Big 12 Coaches poll. We've talked about it from the perspective that many here obviously think KU should be #1. Let's flip the roles around, why would YOU vote against Kansas as #1?
Owen:

Lack of a proven threat from the three point line.  There isn't a guy on the team right now that will instantly soften the middle of a defense because teams have to respect him as a shooter.  Kansas may find one of those, but they don't have it from the get go.

Warden:

What?? Did Tyrel Reed graduate?  Anyway, the team lost their two leaders and a lottery pick freshman.  Marcus Morris definitely has the talent to lead the team but does he have the mental side?  That question isn't limited to McMorris, it could apply to Tyshawn Taylor as well.  Right now, they're a talented team that could turn out to be a Texas clone if things don't go right.

Fetch:

The only thing I can think of is lack of a great option at point guard. Tyshawn turns it over quite a bit, EJ lacks experience and if Selby gets cleared he is still a Freshman. Other than that though, I don't see it.


5.  Back to football.  Thursday night game, good or bad? and is there more purple or blue in the stands?
Owen:

Thursday night game is good especially how it fell for us this year.  Extra time on the front and back end of a bye week.  Plus it's televised which is good, if we show up.  I'll say there's more blue in the stands because of the students. Now the team needs to give them a reason to stay four quarters because with Fall break and Late Night, they might be quick to leave.

Warden:  

Good.  On FSN isn't a bad thing and with Late Night following it up, the students should be jazzed for the two day party.  My liver is just happy that I'm not in school with those two events going on during Fall Break.

Fetch:

I am saying good unless it is super rainy, because I don't want to sit out in the rain watching bad football. But other than that I think any exposure is good exposure for the team.

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It just hit me.

I might not get this game on TV since it’s on FSN.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

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by Warden11 on Oct 13, 2010 4:44 PM CDT reply actions  

I'll be with you looking for a streaming link

The only people who really know where [the edge] is are the ones who have gone over it.

by SagehenMacGyver47 on Oct 13, 2010 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Amen

Thank God for justin.tv

I don't measure a man's success by how high he climbs but how high he bounces when he hits bottom. - Gen. George S. Patton

by Sean T on Oct 13, 2010 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can never get justin.tv to work consistently

for more than 2 1/2 minutes, it seems! If I can’t find a place with FoxSports, I’ll probably just end up listening to Stan call the game on KMAN.

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by K. Scott Bailey on Oct 13, 2010 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

don't forget veetle

better for bigger games – MNF, Top 25 NCAAF, etc – though

The only people who really know where [the edge] is are the ones who have gone over it.

by SagehenMacGyver47 on Oct 14, 2010 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Don't know if it will work or not

but as of last night Dish had the game listed on Fox Sports Rocky Mountain (around 412 I think). It may be an error, but worth looking into.

by PenguinHawk on Oct 14, 2010 7:09 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I've got it listed on one of the alternates but not FoxRM.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

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by Warden11 on Oct 14, 2010 7:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm really disappointed

Fox College Sports didn’t pick this up. On FCS Central we’re getting volleyball…

In NYC I’m also little shocked that MSG and MSG+ didn’t pick up the game since none of our 3 hockey teams are playing tonight. I’ve caught most of our game on HD on MSG this season.

Disappointing. God bless satellite radio…

There is no red like Chiefs red.

by labbadabba on Oct 14, 2010 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

I still have faith

that K-State will not take over our house tomorrow. One, they’ve only sold out 2 of their 4 home games so far. Two, there was a lot of red at the game in Manhattan last week. To me, that doesn’t spell a fan base ready to take over a conference rival’s stadium.

by PenguinHawk on Oct 13, 2010 5:42 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

I don't think

there is going to be a ton of purple but I did hear some K-State fans were buying up tickets right after the North Dakota State game but that has been awhile ago now so who knows.

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by Joe Loyd on Oct 13, 2010 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with Fetch
I’m going to say Memphis in Madison Square Garden. They have the #1 recruiting class (I believe) coming in, and some nice talent coming back. Should be a really good game on a neutral floor.

Especially since they almost beat us last year. I think they’ll be a good test.

 If I were attending, I would love to head out to Vegas and catch that Arizona game.

by Triston27 on Oct 13, 2010 6:57 PM CDT reply actions  

That game terrifies me

We NEVER play well in MSG or in Chicago. Thems two big cities ain’t no good for them basketball

Shit happens when you win championships

by Andrew Clark on Oct 14, 2010 8:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Our last game in MSG was against St. Josephs

it was not pretty. I was there.

There is no red like Chiefs red.

by labbadabba on Oct 14, 2010 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

thats the one

And the last non-tourny game in Chicago was 2007 against DePaul… remember that debacle?

Shit happens when you win championships

by Andrew Clark on Oct 14, 2010 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Who the hell has Nebraska beat?

Sure, Martinez can flat-out scoot. But eventually somebody’s going to force him to beat them with his arm. Can he do it? We have no idea. I’m not ready to say they’re definitely a top 5 or even top 10 team until they beat Texas this weekend.

Pat White used to look pretty awesome as a little QB that could out-run people. And he threw a better ball than Martinez does, IMO. And Pat always ended up getting hurt at some point, and those WVU teams beat exactly one good team- Oklahoma.

by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Oct 13, 2010 8:12 PM CDT reply actions  

Agreed

NU’s biggest win at this point is a tie between at Washington and K-State. Two OK wins, zero solid defenses. I would be shocked if NU gets through the regular season with fewer than two losses, and I still think 9-3 is a definite possibility. Unless, as you mentioned, they handle Texas Saturday. Then I may re-evaluate.

by PenguinHawk on Oct 13, 2010 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thirded

We just don’t know how good they are, and Top 5 seems like a stretch.

The only people who really know where [the edge] is are the ones who have gone over it.

by SagehenMacGyver47 on Oct 14, 2010 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is this reason that I

took Texas and the 10 points.

I’m not sure Texas will win, but I am sure that Muschamps D will do a much better job of shutting down Martinez than anyone else has.

And 10 points is a lot.

build a damn football program, beat some ass, and get on tv more.

by Rivethead on Oct 14, 2010 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Where does Nebraska lose?

Texas 03:30 PM Memorial Stadium (I think a win)
at Oklahoma_State TBA Boone Pickens Stadium (best chance for a loss so far)
Missouri TBA Memorial Stadium (I think a win)
at Iowa_State TBA Jack Trice Stadium (Payback for last season, Pelini runs it up)
Kansas TBA Memorial Stadium (I think a win)
at Texas_A&M TBA Kyle Field (Can’t see Jerrod Johnson not turning it over 4 times)
Colorado 03:30 PM Memorial Stadium (I think a win)

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by Joe Loyd on Oct 13, 2010 9:58 PM CDT reply actions  

I think that Pelini finds a way to lose

at LEAST one of the combo-pack of [Texas/Okie Lite/Mizzou/aTm]. I’d love it if he managed to lose a couple or three of those. My disdain for Pelini runs deep — back to 2003, in fact!

"Everybody gets one chance to do something great. Most people never take the chance, either 'cause they're too scared, or because they don't recognize it when it spits on their shoes. This is your big chance, and you shouldn't let it go by..."

by K. Scott Bailey on Oct 13, 2010 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree 100% on Pelini but if Neb can win on the road at Okie State I can see them going undefeated (unfortunately)

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by Joe Loyd on Oct 13, 2010 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know.

Until Pelini shows me more as a coach than he has thus far, I will always predict that the Huskers lose a couple of games each year just based on his suckitude.

"Everybody gets one chance to do something great. Most people never take the chance, either 'cause they're too scared, or because they don't recognize it when it spits on their shoes. This is your big chance, and you shouldn't let it go by..."
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by K. Scott Bailey on Oct 13, 2010 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not a Pelini fan either

but in all fairness, you guys were kinda running it up on them in ’03. Not that the Huskers are strangers to running up score.

by PenguinHawk on Oct 14, 2010 7:12 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

KU will beat Nebraska

Book it ::snorting powder koolaid::

Shit happens when you win championships

by Andrew Clark on Oct 14, 2010 8:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

You have a problem

Step #1….admit it.

build a damn football program, beat some ass, and get on tv more.

by Rivethead on Oct 14, 2010 8:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Never

I enjoy kool aid just to relax, and I don’t do it very often… whats the big deal…

Shit happens when you win championships

by Andrew Clark on Oct 14, 2010 8:22 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

No he doesn't

I’ve got a strangely good feeling about the Brasky Pants game…

There is no red like Chiefs red.

by labbadabba on Oct 14, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh great

you’re on the stuff too………

build a damn football program, beat some ass, and get on tv more.

by Rivethead on Oct 14, 2010 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hard to know what KSU's result against NU means for this game

1. Kansas State v Nebraska. Did it change your thoughts on the matchup?
Sort of, but I watched NU dismantle UW, then UW went and beat USC…so I don’t know what to make of the KSU blowout.

2. Big 12. Up, Down, more balanced, what’s the deal?
Down, in the sense that the top of the conference is not as good as it has been the past 3 or 4 seasons. But the rest of the conference is more balanced – the bad teams are not as bad.

5. Thursday night game…good or bad? More purple or more blue in the stands?
Good that KU has a long week and KSU has a short one. If it were the other way around, I’d probably say “bad”. Though maybe the extra exposure trumps even playing on a short week, if that were the case. More blue than purple.

The only people who really know where [the edge] is are the ones who have gone over it.

by SagehenMacGyver47 on Oct 14, 2010 12:08 PM CDT reply actions  

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