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Jayhawks Win Instant Classic, 81-79; Take Driver's Seat to Possible Sixth Straight Big 12 Title

Winning, no matter how you do it, is a good thing - especially on the road.  Well, the "Octagon of Doom" ended up being a bit more Gloom than Doom for the Kansas State Wildcats on Saturday night.  The Wildcat faithful did prove to be a formidable sixth man and proved their ability to have an effect on their team's play, though.  The thing that struck me most surprising, though, was that it never really seemed to trouble the Jayhawks.  They never seemed to get scared or go into their shell and come up small in a big moment - at least, not due to the crowd.  That had more to do with bad decision making.  But, we'll get to that a bit later.  Enough can not be said, however, of the resiliency of head coach Bill Self's boys and the way they kept playing their hearts out - no matter what happened the play before or through injury. (I'm looking at you, Mr. Collins.)

Jayhawks vs Wildcats boxscore

Jayhawks vs Wildcats recap

Player of the Game: Sherron Collins - 16 points, 1 rebound, 4 assists, 7-14 field goals, 2-6 three point field goals and one game clincher in 41 minutes.

 

What Went Right

Cole Aldrich took 13 shots in regulation.  The game plan from the very beginning, as was the case against Missouri Monday night, was to throw the ball inside to Cole early and often.  Shades and memories of the 2008 team resonated with high lobs over the top to the oversized Aldrich, leaving his defenders nearly helpless and only able to foul.  Twelve free throw attempts is a much better number for him than twos, threes, fours, fives, etc. that we grew accustomed to early in Big 12 play.  Though he got in foul trouble in the second half, picking up his fourth foul with nearly seven minutes to go, he did a good job on defense of keeping his feet on the ground, his arms straight up and laying off the guard during ball screens.

Tyshawn Taylor back into the good graces of Bill Self.  Although he came off the bench to start the game, as has been the case through the majority of Big 12 play, Taylor logged 30 of the 45 minutes, including nearly, if not, every single one down the strecth in regulation and overtime.  It was oft-struggling freshman Xavier Henry who saw his minutes not only cut but completely revoked late in the game.  I cannot recall Henry being in the game from the four minute mark, or so on, after his great drive to the basket and score late in the second half.  Perhaps Self just didn't feel comfortable with what appeared to be his suspect ball handling earlier in the game.  Or, maybe it he just felt better with Markieff Morris' zero points, zero-for-four from the free throw line statline in the game at the four spot, instead.  I'm going to assume it was the first.  Getting back to Taylor, though, he had twelve points and was a reliable shooter from the line and hit eight-of-nine, most of which were in overtime.

Star-divide

What Could Have Gone Better

Is it really so hard to toss the ball off the backboard and in from four feet away?  It seemed that if they could just make the "bunnies" around the rim, the Jayhawks would have held an eight-plus point lead at the half, rather than the one point lead that came to fruition.  Whether it was going up too soft, possibly being fouled or pressure from the Kansas State bigs, it was frustrating to watch and nearly was the noose that Kansas hung themselves with.  On a happier note, Cole did continue to show a better turnaround shot.  And, before fouling out, Marcus Morris' turnaround jumper was falling more than Kansas State's record at home against the Jayhawks.

Allowing 20 offensive rebounds gives far too many chances to score.  Thanks to those 20 rebounds, I now have to stay up into the wee hours of the night and partake in an Open Game Thread at fetch9's blog Beadlemaniacs for the Roger Federer-Andy Murray Australian Open final.  Joking aside, I would have been up anyway, so it's no big deal.  In fact, feel free to stop by yourself and enjoy what hopes to be another epic Grand Slam final. (There's your payout for the bet, fetch.  I one-upped it.)  Without re-watching the game yet, it seemed that most of the offensive rebounds early in the game were on long loose balls that the Wildacts simply out-hustled the Jayhawks to.  Credit must be given there.  Kansas State is a scrappy, hard playing bunch of players and that will (normally) go a long way to pulling out the win.

Simply not converting in the most pivotal of moments almost cost Kansas the game. Turnovers nearly sealed a much sadder fate in this one.  Weak passes and bad response to ball pressure far from the basket made the Kansas guards' heads nearly explode.  There was even a five second call on an in-bounds play on Brady Morningstar.  Rarely do you see that.  The only player that seemed to be goof-proof was Collins.  His drive to the basket in the last ten seconds was vintage Sherron, as was the finish.  He did have the turnover at the end of regulation attempting to take a shot for the win then, so I suppose it can't even be said he handled the pressure that much better himself.  Just aggravating at times.

 

In a game that we won, it's amazing that there seem to be more negatives that stick out the way they do, than positives.  And, I was actually very pleased with the way they played, too.  Maybe it just goes to show that they have what it takes to win a game when maybe they shouldn't and keep fighting.  That mentality will be needed come March.

 

Random Musings from the Boxscore

  • Five-of-ten from the three point line.  Maybe they should have shot more.  Maybe they found the formula to being successful and not falling in love with the three.  Live by the three, die by the three.
  • Kansas State shot 43.3 percent from the field.  The streak now stands at three.
  • Fifteen turnovers commited.  Thirteen forced.  A much better ratio than that of Monday night. (25-4)
  • Wally Judge had twelve points and nine rebounds.  Perhaps I should call him out more often - for the sake of Kansas State fans, that is.  Not likely to happen.
  • I'll say it again: 20 offensive rebounds allowed is frustrating and will not get it done against teams that shoot better from three than Kansas State did. (6-18)  We did have fourteen offensive boards of our own, though.  So, that almost evens it out.
  • 9.  The magic number of a combination of Kansas wins and Texas or Missouri losses needed to clinch the Jayhawks' sixth straight Big 12 title.  Now on pace for March 3rd.  In Allen Fieldhouse.  Against Kansas State.  On Sherron Collins' Senior Night.  Let it be.

 

 

 

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#4

I better get credit for that shit.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

by Warden11 on Jan 30, 2010 10:15 PM CST reply actions  

yeah I'm just calling him 4 now. He's earned it.

And to think, there was a time when I would call him Sharon when he made a bad play

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by fetch9 on Jan 30, 2010 10:16 PM CST up reply actions  

"This is what happens when you finally become good, and give your arena a gay nickname."

Oh my god, I read that at the KCStar’s Web site and laughed my ass off.

Great recap, KC.

Oh my dear lord...this is RETARDED boss...

by tequilaprophet on Jan 30, 2010 10:19 PM CST reply actions  

I don't think Sherron was particularly "goof-proof"

He almost blew it two or three times at the end of regulation. Luckily, though, he more than made up for it in OT. That was a hella-clutch drive at the end.

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by Bensa on Jan 30, 2010 10:26 PM CST reply actions  

Agreed.

Wasn’t a great overall game for Sherron at all.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

by Warden11 on Jan 30, 2010 10:30 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah

it was above average, but not great

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by fetch9 on Jan 30, 2010 10:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Still

He’s got to move up in the POTY race, I would think, just from a leadership/gutsy standpoint. Who knows, it’s probably already got Wall’s name engraved on the trophy with all the media-type fellatio going on for him these days.

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by Bensa on Jan 30, 2010 10:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh I'm sure

even though, assuming you count Evan Turner as a guard (which I do) and your All-American team is G, G, F, F, C, Wall isn’t even a 1st team All-American in my book.

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by fetch9 on Jan 30, 2010 10:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Depending on how OSU ends up

Turner should probably be POTY

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by Warden11 on Jan 30, 2010 10:37 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd be okay with that, actually

he’s REALLY good.

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by Bensa on Jan 30, 2010 10:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes he is.

They’re a completely different team with him. If he stays healthy and they continue to have success, he’s almost guaranteed #1.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

by Warden11 on Jan 30, 2010 10:40 PM CST up reply actions  

So who do you have?

G-Collins
G-Turner
F-Damion James??
F-Harangody??
C-Aldrich? Udoh? Varnado?

Just curious…

Also, I don’t think there’s any way Wall doesn’t end up a first team All American. Not saying I like it, but I don’t see it not having him on it.

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by Bensa on Jan 30, 2010 10:44 PM CST up reply actions  

our midseason 1st teamers were:

Scheyer
Turner
Jimmer Fredette
Patrick Patterson
Cole

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by fetch9 on Jan 30, 2010 11:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Turner made the mid-season?

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

by Warden11 on Jan 30, 2010 11:07 PM CST up reply actions  

oh yeah

even with his injury. He’s that good.

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by fetch9 on Jan 30, 2010 11:07 PM CST up reply actions  

And what would it be TODAY?

again, just curious…

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by Bensa on Jan 30, 2010 11:08 PM CST up reply actions  

well Id have to look at the numbers more

but Turner and Scheyer would still be my two guards

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by fetch9 on Jan 30, 2010 11:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Interesting

Somehow, I don’t see Scheyer being on the list at the end of the year. That team is going to get exposed over the next two months, I think.

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by Bensa on Jan 30, 2010 11:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Scheyer is overrated

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

by Warden11 on Jan 30, 2010 11:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Is this based on statistics?

And do your statistics factor in defense? Because Duke allowed Georgetown to shoot 71% today. That’s freaking ridiculous.

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by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Jan 30, 2010 11:12 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah it's stats

well, it’s tough to do player defensive stats, aside from steal and block rate.

I had Scheyer as the POY and would be more than willing to defend it

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by fetch9 on Jan 30, 2010 11:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Eek.

I’ll go on the record and voice my disagreement there. He’s had a very fine year, a surprising year, to be sure, but he’s not the POY. Not even close.

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by Bensa on Jan 30, 2010 11:15 PM CST up reply actions  

alright

Who do you think is so I can do a simple A vs. B comparison

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by fetch9 on Jan 30, 2010 11:16 PM CST up reply actions  

If I had to name a POY tonight

I’d probably go with either Turner or Wesley Johnson. I’m not basing it on any specific statistical analysis, though. That’s just my opinion.

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by Bensa on Jan 30, 2010 11:18 PM CST up reply actions  

ok

well I’d be fine with Turner because Turner was hurt and stuff so it’s tough to do a straight comparison, so I will do Scheyer v. Johnson

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by fetch9 on Jan 30, 2010 11:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Johnson

64% True Shooting percentage. Very good. 10% assist rate to a 19.3% turnover rate, not good. 8.5 offensive rebounding% and 19% defensive rebounding. 117.7 Offensive rating (170th nationally)

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by fetch9 on Jan 30, 2010 11:21 PM CST up reply actions  

A/T rate can’t be looked at in a vacuum, IMO. If your role on the team is to be the scorer, you’re not going to get huge assist numbers, and you’re going to get more TOs.

To me, that’s a stat that should skew towards PGs every time.

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by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Jan 30, 2010 11:23 PM CST up reply actions  

it really doesnt work out that way though

a lot of PGs have higher TO% than their leading scorers because they have the ball so much

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by fetch9 on Jan 30, 2010 11:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Scheyer

60.2% true shooting percentage, good. 27.7% assist rate, 10.8% TO rate (and by the way, this is a guy who monopolizes the ball for Duke. He plays 90% of their minutes and is their ball handler. 10.8% TO rate is freaking amazing). and a 133.7 O-rating. 6th nationally

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by fetch9 on Jan 30, 2010 11:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Johnson has been amazing.

His loss has got to be killing ISU fans. Though I really don’t remember him being all that when he was there.

by hunter s. royal on Jan 30, 2010 11:19 PM CST up reply actions  

He was SUPER-thin

as a freshman. I mean, he’s still really thin, but he was like a friggin’ rail as a frosh. He was a really good shooter, if I recall correctly.

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by Bensa on Jan 30, 2010 11:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Is he only a soph?

I was thinking he spent 2 years there. But I’m probably wrong, like I was about Withey’s status. He is still a freshman.

by hunter s. royal on Jan 30, 2010 11:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Do your stats adjust for style? Certain players get their stats padded by playing in a system tailor-made for their skills. Part of the reason UNC guys get overrated, IMO.

"Here are our top priorities: recruit, beat Missouri, recruit, win the North, recruit, win the Big 12, and in most cases if you win the Big 12 then you're playing for a National Championship. And then we're going to recruit."

by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Jan 30, 2010 11:21 PM CST up reply actions  

fetch's claim to fame is tempo free

so I’m guessing everything he cites supports that.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

by Warden11 on Jan 30, 2010 11:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Nice win obviously,

but we certainly made it hard on ourselves. They need work on the bunny line.

by hunter s. royal on Jan 30, 2010 10:31 PM CST reply actions  

Better to do it this way now, rather than in March, no?

"Not to be cliché or anything, but I’m Jayhawk born and Jayhawk bred and when I die I’ll be Jayhawk dead." - Ovechwin

by Andy Edwards on Jan 30, 2010 10:34 PM CST up reply actions  

A couple of keys to the win, IMO:

- Cole being able to play (and play effectively!) with 4 fouls down the stretch of regulation and throughout OT. I thought for sure he would foul out in OT given the trend of the game. But he did a fantastic job of going “straight up” and being able to protect the rim without making contact.

- Never let KState get on a good run. Any time they would get some momentum, we would call a timeout, and then were able to execute and get a basket to slow them down. Did they ever lead by more than 4 or 5 the whole game?

- Clemente was shut down in the second half. Became basically a non-factor. Even got to the point where he walked away from his coach during a timeout huddle. That’s the sign of a player that’s clearly rattled.

"Here are our top priorities: recruit, beat Missouri, recruit, win the North, recruit, win the Big 12, and in most cases if you win the Big 12 then you're playing for a National Championship. And then we're going to recruit."

by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Jan 30, 2010 10:38 PM CST reply actions  

+1,000

on not letting them get on a run. Kinda goes back to saying that I never really felt like we let the crowd affect us to the point of hurting us. They were always within reach.

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by Andy Edwards on Jan 30, 2010 10:39 PM CST up reply actions  

In one highlight of the huddle, ...

it appears that Frank was throwing someone out of the huddle, and I thought I remembered the announcers talking about it – a second time, after Pullen went over and hurled. If not, you gota wonder about the players’ discipline & respect for the coach.

Realistically, I think Clemente was pretty much shut down the entire game. Not certain about the stats, but I do recall commentary about the G’s not producing. Another reason to love the play of Brady & TT.

by dagger108 on Feb 2, 2010 3:43 AM CST up reply actions  

You know what 2 wins in a row in Manhattan equals?

A STREAK. That’s right kitties. Just when you thought you’d exorcised that demon, it has returned. Granted it’s not the behemoth it once was, but it is a streak nonetheless.

by KU_Lew on Jan 30, 2010 10:41 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Granted it’s not the behemoth it once was

….yet.

"Not to be cliché or anything, but I’m Jayhawk born and Jayhawk bred and when I die I’ll be Jayhawk dead." - Ovechwin

by Andy Edwards on Jan 30, 2010 10:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Love it when the AD logs on

and throws down. 1-26 against KU at the Octogon of Denial.

by hunter s. royal on Jan 30, 2010 10:42 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

Looked through BOTC's thread

and saw that besides tigger fans, several guys from the SB Kentucky site were there cheering for KSU. We depressed 3 enemies at once tonight. Nice.

by hunter s. royal on Jan 30, 2010 10:52 PM CST reply actions  

Yeah

I looked through it as well. Lots of Tigers & Wildcats frustrated at the end. Very enjoyable.

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by Bensa on Jan 30, 2010 10:54 PM CST up reply actions  

They don't seem to like us much. :)

The venom got rather over the top. The RMN folks are usually not that psycho. " Embrace the hate" as the UK moderator likes to say.

by hunter s. royal on Jan 30, 2010 10:59 PM CST up reply actions  

It's not a bad thing knowing we only beat one team

but broke two hearts tonight.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

by Warden11 on Jan 30, 2010 11:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Three, really

if you count the Kentucky fans (and I do).

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by Bensa on Jan 30, 2010 11:01 PM CST up reply actions  

good point.

Although it was only a couple of them. What the hell, lets throw all of them in there too!

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

by Warden11 on Jan 30, 2010 11:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes, they were really into it.

Our drive by, if rather polite troller, oldcat 69 was there, along with several others. I’m not sure why they were so against us, they almost seemed to think they’d still be #1 if we lost, which isn’t rational.

by hunter s. royal on Jan 30, 2010 11:04 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't really get it.

There’s so much hatred over there for our players and coaches. Over here, we get pissed off at the refs and what not, but we don’t call their players criminals or what not. I’m not trying to say we’re perfect or anything, but there are some REALLY tasteless and classless posts over on that thread, and some of those authors really should be ashamed of themselves, imo.

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by Bensa on Jan 30, 2010 11:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, being an author here now

doesn’t allow me to “speak my mind” fully as I did last year. It’s worth the trade, though. Trying to be a better fan.

"Not to be cliché or anything, but I’m Jayhawk born and Jayhawk bred and when I die I’ll be Jayhawk dead." - Ovechwin

by Andy Edwards on Jan 30, 2010 11:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Fuck off

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

by Warden11 on Jan 30, 2010 11:12 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

LLLLLLLLOOOOOOOLLLLLLLL

I was told, however, that you are the one person that I don’t have to censor myself with.

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by Andy Edwards on Jan 30, 2010 11:13 PM CST up reply actions  

you should

fuck with me and you get dealt with

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

by Warden11 on Jan 30, 2010 11:19 PM CST up reply actions  

I always wonder...

if you two are serious or not…it’s like watching a couple of friends who talk a lot of shit to eachother but teeter on an all out brawl.

52 Conference Championships!! Holy Hell...Good Luck with That!!

by Owen on Jan 30, 2010 11:20 PM CST up reply actions  

except....

I knew that was a lame attempt at a sock

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by Owen on Jan 30, 2010 11:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Hahaha man you guys gotta admit that was good

I had two computers going (mine and the main bitches) and I kept almost posting wrong stuff wrong name yanmean.

Denver I just gave you a stadium chant and your swingin at me man, you’re swingin

by Andrew Clark on Jan 30, 2010 11:32 PM CST up reply actions  

He's smarter than that.
but teeter on an all out brawl.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

by Warden11 on Jan 30, 2010 11:25 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm just gonna let you have it tonight,

because you’re on a pretty good roll. I used all my will power on the game tonight.

"Not to be cliché or anything, but I’m Jayhawk born and Jayhawk bred and when I die I’ll be Jayhawk dead." - Ovechwin

by Andy Edwards on Jan 30, 2010 11:26 PM CST up reply actions  

That Rally Rec was pure brilliant.

We’ll use it anytime and everytime we are in need of a boost.

"Not to be cliché or anything, but I’m Jayhawk born and Jayhawk bred and when I die I’ll be Jayhawk dead." - Ovechwin

by Andy Edwards on Jan 30, 2010 11:32 PM CST up reply actions  

The hatred for Cole is bizarre.

i can certainly see making fun of his missing tooth and goofy persona, but they seemed to believe he was the second coming of Charles Manson. Disturbing.

by hunter s. royal on Jan 30, 2010 11:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Exactly

it’s just a deranged hatred and, as you said above, very irrational. I don’t like irrational. In fact, I hate irrational. With a burning, irrational passion. Wait, now I’m contradicting myself. Oh well.

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by Bensa on Jan 30, 2010 11:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Rec'd for putting it into good perspective.

"Not to be cliché or anything, but I’m Jayhawk born and Jayhawk bred and when I die I’ll be Jayhawk dead." - Ovechwin

by Andy Edwards on Jan 30, 2010 11:13 PM CST up reply actions  

That jerk doesn’t even talk trash or get into off-the-court issues, and never gets his d*ck constantly sucked by ESPN. Hell, he’s even a potential Academic AA this year! What an a-hole!

"Here are our top priorities: recruit, beat Missouri, recruit, win the North, recruit, win the Big 12, and in most cases if you win the Big 12 then you're playing for a National Championship. And then we're going to recruit."

by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Jan 30, 2010 11:17 PM CST up reply actions  

I do believe they use the term "retard"

over and over and over, justifying it by saying Kansas fans are horrible people. Whatever. My brother is a Wilcat, had dinner with a Wildcat this week…had a great time. Personally never met a Wilcat that acted so hateful so I’ll just ignore.

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by Owen on Jan 30, 2010 11:13 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah

It’s just a compliment at this point.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

by Warden11 on Jan 30, 2010 11:20 PM CST up reply actions  

FWIW

I never use that term and despise its usage by my fellow fans. That goes to far.

by BracketCat on Jan 31, 2010 11:57 AM CST up reply actions  

understood...

like I said, I’ve never met someone like that and I known many Wildcats in my day. Understand the heat of the moment…I also understand completely that we have fans that push it too far as well. It is what it is.

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by Owen on Jan 31, 2010 11:59 AM CST up reply actions  

I'd agree...

I started thinking that when I read through their thread. It just amazed me the amount of personal hatred. Like you said I’m not claiming I don’t complain unjustly about things at times, but I hold no ill will toward the Wildcats players and certainly not individual fans. I’d imagine Pan is who you are referring to on your last note.

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by Owen on Jan 30, 2010 11:10 PM CST up reply actions  

I didn't take much note of the specific people

but Pan sounds right to me. If it’s only one poster, maybe it’s not that big of a deal (though still super annoying), but I feel like it’s pretty pervasive over there.

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by Bensa on Jan 30, 2010 11:12 PM CST up reply actions  

no...

it’s not one…I just thought when you mentioned authors you were probably referring to him.

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by Owen on Jan 30, 2010 11:14 PM CST up reply actions  

very possibly

again, though, I didn’t take note of the specific names. And I’ll probably never go over there again, just so I don’t increase their numbers after that kind of display. I just get tired of that crap, and I don’t think there’s any defense for it.

If it got that bad here, I’d probably stop showing up. Which is why I’m glad it’s not like that over here.

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by Bensa on Jan 30, 2010 11:17 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm with ya...

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by Owen on Jan 30, 2010 11:17 PM CST up reply actions  

As this place grows, those of here now have a responsibility to not let this happen.
Which is why I’m glad it’s not like that over here.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

by Warden11 on Jan 30, 2010 11:22 PM CST up reply actions  

+1

set the tone

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by Owen on Jan 30, 2010 11:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed.

That’s what’s great about RCT. The Slant is good for more of a “news” type site but some of the people there have that sense of entitlement because it’s a pay site and whatever. KUSports is well….a message board. The people that come over are good (so far) and I hope it stays that way.

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by Andy Edwards on Jan 30, 2010 11:26 PM CST up reply actions  

One of my best friends just got in at kusports

spending toime there. I told him he better join us here or I’ll kill him.

Don’t worry he isn’t like me he is level headed, good-looking and smart. I’m not bringing in Grad 2.0 :)

by Andrew Clark on Jan 30, 2010 11:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Not worried he's gonna steal your girl?

Don’t worry he isn’t like me he is level headed, good-looking and smart.

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by Andy Edwards on Jan 30, 2010 11:28 PM CST up reply actions  

No because my woman obviously has some sort of mental thang

Considering she likes me. Its weirdly awesome. Shes 80 times smarter than me, better looking, cooler,etc.

I’m holdin on for dear life!

by Andrew Clark on Jan 30, 2010 11:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Wow.

Comment of the year possibly.

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by Andy Edwards on Jan 30, 2010 11:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Come on,

Warden educates our children and makes 1% of what the BSD’s on Wall Street make, we gotta let him have his fun.

by hunter s. royal on Jan 30, 2010 11:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Never

I’ll never turn to the dark side

by Andrew Clark on Jan 30, 2010 11:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Definitely agree

I will do my part, be assured.

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by Bensa on Jan 30, 2010 11:26 PM CST up reply actions  

have a different author in mind

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

by Warden11 on Jan 30, 2010 11:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Bracket?

"Not to be cliché or anything, but I’m Jayhawk born and Jayhawk bred and when I die I’ll be Jayhawk dead." - Ovechwin

by Andy Edwards on Jan 30, 2010 11:22 PM CST up reply actions  

ding ding ding

OMG the beakers will hate this! We just beat a team they are playing next week!

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

by Warden11 on Jan 30, 2010 11:23 PM CST up reply actions  

A lot of valid points in this comment.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

by Warden11 on Jan 30, 2010 11:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Gee, I don't know, maybe it has something to do with 22 years of frustration?

You have no idea what it feels like to find new ways to lose at home to you guys every year. I think I’ve seen every way possible at this point.

Pray you never have to find out.

And don’t mistake heat-of-the-moment frustration for a lack of respect, because we do grudgingly respect what Self has done. How can you not?

But it’s just extremely frustrating to see a program shrug off academic fraud, probation, lack of institutional control, on-campus brawls and numerous other embarrassments like it’s nothing and still win championship after championship.

I was raised to believe that doing the right thing will pay off in the end, but in college basketball, that couldn’t be further from the truth.

Regardless, enjoy the victory. Meanwhile, I will go back to work Monday and endure endless shit from the classless KU fans with whom I work. If they weren’t such intolerable gits, maybe I wouldn’t be so vitriolic in the heat of battle when a victory is there for the taking.

by BracketCat on Jan 31, 2010 11:55 AM CST up reply actions  

Not that that's valid excuse or anything

I must admit, a moderate amount of alcohol was involved, too.

by BracketCat on Jan 31, 2010 12:01 PM CST up reply actions  

no worries....

I don’t disagree that it would be extremely frustrating. It is what it is and I don’t doubt that you have some obnoxious fans from our end that you have to deal with as well.

Just know that we here do recognize that Frank Martin and company are presenting a legitimate challenge these days and for the most part we embrace it over here. It’s good for all involved. We take our jabs no doubt but we try to keep it light because of that.

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by Owen on Jan 31, 2010 12:06 PM CST up reply actions  

LMFAO

Everything you just mention isn’t even close to the shit Snyder and Co pulled with your football program in the 90s. I forgot that the saints at KSU can’t match up with the “cheaters” at KU. Besides most of that ties into either our football program a few years ago and the basketball stuff is all tied to Roy Wiliams (nothing with Self since he has been here). If KSU was good, we could say its frustrating to see a program who ILLEGALLY SECRETLY PAID OFF ITS FORMER FOOTBALL COACH, HAD A PLAYER ON ITS BBALL TEAM CHARGED WITH MOLESTING LITTLE BOYS, etc etc.

Stop pretending like KU are such the bad guys and KSU are perfect. Its really really stupid. I don’t mind the smack talk but this viewpoint KState people make up that KU are cheaters and criminals etc to make them feel better about the losses has to stop. Are you 14?

While you endure the classless KU fans, I’ve had to endure millions of classless KSU fans who talked SO much shit before the game acting like they are on par with our program. You’re not. Get the delusions out of your head.

You guys get so frustrated because you expect to beat us then shit yourself when you dont. We’re a better team. A win would have been awesome and very possible but when it doesn’t come acting like the world has ended is a bit much. OMG, we didn’t beat the number two team in the country NOOOOOO.

In the end its basketball buddy…

by Andrew Clark on Jan 31, 2010 12:08 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I understand very well, actually

I’m a Cubs and Vikings fan. Such is life.

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by Bensa on Jan 31, 2010 12:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Cubs and Vikes?

I thought I had it bad

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by fetch9 on Jan 31, 2010 12:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Dude.

it’s brutal around here. The Jayhawks are really the only good thing in my sports life.

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by Bensa on Jan 31, 2010 1:07 PM CST up reply actions  

I have the Penguins at least

and hopefully the Twins make a run here soon

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by fetch9 on Jan 31, 2010 2:09 PM CST up reply actions  

I do cheer for the Penguins

because the wife is a humongo-fan of them. So I guess I sort of have them too.

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by Bensa on Jan 31, 2010 3:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Howd you manage to root for the cubs and vikes?

Thats Minneapolis/Chicago. Thats like liking the Chiefs and then the Oakland As…dont usually associate rooting for two towns whos teams hate each other haha.

by Andrew Clark on Jan 31, 2010 2:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Spent a lot of time in my formative years

in Chicago and Minnesota. Have always been a Cubs fan (remember watching all the afternoon games on WGN before they put lights in Wrigley), then became a Vikes fan when I started liking football whilst living in Minnesota during junior high and high school.

I only moved to KS in 2000, when I quickly became a Jayhawk fan. I’m a Midwest boy, though, through and through.

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by Bensa on Jan 31, 2010 3:27 PM CST up reply actions  

midwest ftw

where abouts in Minnesota if I may ask

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by fetch9 on Jan 31, 2010 3:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Owatonna

about an hour straight south of the Twin Cities on I-35.

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by Bensa on Jan 31, 2010 3:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh cool I've been through there

too bad you couldn’t get persuaded to be a Twins fan. Although they make me mad like no other sometimes.

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by fetch9 on Jan 31, 2010 3:50 PM CST up reply actions  

I was there for both World Series wins

in ‘87 and ’91. I definitely cheered for them. I would say that I WAS a Twins fan while living in Minnesota, and I still root for them now, but I don’t keep good track of them.

I still remember that 1991 World Series like it was yesterday. One of the best of all time. Jack Morris=Baseball God (at least for one game).

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by Bensa on Jan 31, 2010 3:53 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm a midwest guy myself

And as you know a packer fan. May we give each other good natured shit until our deaths

by Andrew Clark on Jan 31, 2010 7:13 PM CST up reply actions  

I wouldn't have it any other way, sir...

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by Bensa on Jan 31, 2010 7:20 PM CST up reply actions  

You guys bringing the "Lynch Mob" back in football?

Now that was a classy group of folks. Truly something to be proud of at an institution of higher learning.

"Here are our top priorities: recruit, beat Missouri, recruit, win the North, recruit, win the Big 12, and in most cases if you win the Big 12 then you're playing for a National Championship. And then we're going to recruit."

by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Jan 31, 2010 2:25 PM CST up reply actions  

I believe that correct usage is

“NOICE!”

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by Andy Edwards on Jan 30, 2010 10:54 PM CST up reply actions  

disagree

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by Bensa on Jan 30, 2010 10:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Quick Sidenote....

Swept the season series with Missouri in Women’s basketball. I’ll say it again, it’s nice to see Kansas winning in the Tigers bread and butter sports. Clearly I’m referring to the non revenue sports here.

52 Conference Championships!! Holy Hell...Good Luck with That!!

by Owen on Jan 30, 2010 11:17 PM CST reply actions  

I'm biack

Post game thread here I say

by Andrew Clark on Jan 30, 2010 11:25 PM CST reply actions  

looking that way....

52 Conference Championships!! Holy Hell...Good Luck with That!!

by Owen on Jan 30, 2010 11:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Rec'd

Love it.

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by Bensa on Jan 30, 2010 11:26 PM CST up reply actions  

you guys enjoy...

I’m going to catch some zzzz’s….try to keep Fetch and his girlfriend from getting this thing too off topic.

52 Conference Championships!! Holy Hell...Good Luck with That!!

by Owen on Jan 30, 2010 11:27 PM CST up reply actions  

just messin...have a good one.

52 Conference Championships!! Holy Hell...Good Luck with That!!

by Owen on Jan 30, 2010 11:28 PM CST up reply actions  

haha.

you sure you’re not gonna stay up for the tennis?

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by fetch9 on Jan 30, 2010 11:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Since we're going to be ranked #1 Monday....

should we celebrate our asses off? Maybe have some t-shirts made? Better yet, how about we show Coach Self how much we appreciate this and put up a “thank you” banner outside his home?

What’s that you say? UK already did all that? Damn! We’ll have to come up with something else.

Or I guess we can just act like fans of a tradition-rich program that’s been there before. Basically give the ranking an obligatory “That’s cool” reaction and go about our day. Nothing more.

by KU_Lew on Jan 30, 2010 11:27 PM CST reply actions  

No on the first 3.

Big yes on the last one.

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by Bensa on Jan 30, 2010 11:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Banner, Shirts, DVD and a commemorative photo all seem in order

52 Conference Championships!! Holy Hell...Good Luck with That!!

by Owen on Jan 30, 2010 11:28 PM CST up reply actions  

^^^sarcasm font

52 Conference Championships!! Holy Hell...Good Luck with That!!

by Owen on Jan 30, 2010 11:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Hey, whatever you gotta do to make that money for the university.

If you wanna sell t shirts, you’re the man. You lead, we follow.

"Not to be cliché or anything, but I’m Jayhawk born and Jayhawk bred and when I die I’ll be Jayhawk dead." - Ovechwin

by Andy Edwards on Jan 30, 2010 11:28 PM CST up reply actions  

One of which I own

Actually, I gave it to the wife for her 30th birthday, which happened to be exactly one year after the night we won the national championship.

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by Bensa on Jan 30, 2010 11:33 PM CST up reply actions  

that had to score you some big action

hell, I might have….well, never mind….inappropriate

by JayhawkTom on Jan 30, 2010 11:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Eh.

I don’t kiss and tell.

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by Bensa on Jan 30, 2010 11:36 PM CST up reply actions  

What do I gotta do

to score some of that Sherron action?

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by Andy Edwards on Jan 30, 2010 11:37 PM CST up reply actions  

So, assuming we head to Austin 8-0,

we win there and we all but lock up the Big 12 title. What do we need to fix to beat them?

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by Andy Edwards on Jan 30, 2010 11:31 PM CST reply actions  

Correct, IIRC.

"Not to be cliché or anything, but I’m Jayhawk born and Jayhawk bred and when I die I’ll be Jayhawk dead." - Ovechwin

by Andy Edwards on Jan 30, 2010 11:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Really just need to not have a let diown

Take care of business and then get to 8-0. Who knows, maybe Tejas, KSU, MU, OSU some of them lose another game and even a loss at Tejas wont have the Big12 title train going off the tracks

by Andrew Clark on Jan 30, 2010 11:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Right now,

a loss at UT puts us one game ahead of everyone else. We have a two game lead over UT and mu. 6-0 and both of them are 4-2. We gave ourselves a REAL cushion and room for error, although I hope we don’t need it.

"Not to be cliché or anything, but I’m Jayhawk born and Jayhawk bred and when I die I’ll be Jayhawk dead." - Ovechwin

by Andy Edwards on Jan 30, 2010 11:38 PM CST up reply actions  

UT still has to go to

Stillwater, Columbia, Lubbock, and Waco. And maybe OU can take their skirts off long enough to string 40 minutes together.

Tough road

by JayhawkTom on Jan 30, 2010 11:41 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd bet money they lose two more games not against usq

Then again if we beat CU and Corn and knock them off in Austin the thing is almost over

by Andrew Clark on Jan 30, 2010 11:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed. Must avoid a let down.

Let’s not pull a Mizzou or K-State. You know, beat a big rival only to then lay an egg the next game out. KU doesn’t usually have a problem with that. Still, don’t get complacent because we have a 2 game lead.

by KU_Lew on Jan 30, 2010 11:42 PM CST up reply actions  

If there's one coach

that won’t let them get complacent, I feel good with HCBS being that coach.

"Not to be cliché or anything, but I’m Jayhawk born and Jayhawk bred and when I die I’ll be Jayhawk dead." - Ovechwin

by Andy Edwards on Jan 30, 2010 11:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah but KSU played a tough OSU team

When OSU is off they are terrible (today) when they are on they can play with anyone. Luckily we have CU and Corn so even if we play average, we should handle business.

Really for how epic todays game is, we didn’t play that well. If we had played like we did against Mizzou we win that game by 15. Shows the talent of our team

by Andrew Clark on Jan 30, 2010 11:44 PM CST up reply actions  

15?

Try 25

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

by Warden11 on Jan 30, 2010 11:47 PM CST up reply actions  

without getting too far ahead of ourselves,

isn’t it pretty much locked up?

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

by Warden11 on Jan 30, 2010 11:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Pretty much.

No way we finish worse that 14-2.

"Not to be cliché or anything, but I’m Jayhawk born and Jayhawk bred and when I die I’ll be Jayhawk dead." - Ovechwin

by Andy Edwards on Jan 30, 2010 11:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Of course,

we’ve thought that before…heading to Lubbock.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

by Warden11 on Jan 30, 2010 11:41 PM CST up reply actions  

That was a VERY different team.

Well, same team…just a lot better now.

"Not to be cliché or anything, but I’m Jayhawk born and Jayhawk bred and when I die I’ll be Jayhawk dead." - Ovechwin

by Andy Edwards on Jan 30, 2010 11:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed.

Although I thought there a few chances tonight for Kansas to show they were in a whole different level everyone else and that didn’t happen.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

by Warden11 on Jan 30, 2010 11:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Given the situation,

I’m not worried about not showing that tonight. I would have liked it, obviously, but the fact that everything seemed to go against them (i.e. foul calls, foul trouble, Marcus fouling out, Sherron getting banged up, so many O boards) that we got the win out of all of it, that says more to me than anything. They came together and really did it as a team.

As I said in this thread (the post itself) that there wasn’t anything outstanding that stood out, but somehow they did it. Imagine when they do something spectacular.

"Not to be cliché or anything, but I’m Jayhawk born and Jayhawk bred and when I die I’ll be Jayhawk dead." - Ovechwin

by Andy Edwards on Jan 30, 2010 11:47 PM CST up reply actions  

exactly

bigtime growth tonight. Remember, this team is still young as hell

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by fetch9 on Jan 30, 2010 11:48 PM CST up reply actions  

And I agree with this.

Though one of my first statements in the game threads today was “wanting to make a statement”.

Winning in Manhattan is a big statement, just not what this team is capable of doing. I still want to see all parts going off at the same time.

/greedy

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

by Warden11 on Jan 30, 2010 11:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes, the gameplan was excellent tonight,

but execution was sloppy. Still have lots of room for improvement.

by hunter s. royal on Jan 30, 2010 11:54 PM CST up reply actions  

We're all greedy.

We won a championship two years ago, and we want another this year. It’s what’s so great about being a Jayhawk – we can do that.

"Not to be cliché or anything, but I’m Jayhawk born and Jayhawk bred and when I die I’ll be Jayhawk dead." - Ovechwin

by Andy Edwards on Jan 30, 2010 11:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, our team now has Marcus

Who is just a force inside and can score from anywhere. If X can play better it’d be nice,he struggled tonight. But when he gets on and gives us minutes its huge. He did have a few moments tonoight…

by Andrew Clark on Jan 30, 2010 11:45 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah he has played like garbage next year

which may or may not end up being a blessing in disguise, as methinks we might be seeing him next year

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by fetch9 on Jan 30, 2010 11:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Bench scoring.

Gotta tweak the rotation or something, but we need more production when the starters are out.

"Here are our top priorities: recruit, beat Missouri, recruit, win the North, recruit, win the Big 12, and in most cases if you win the Big 12 then you're playing for a National Championship. And then we're going to recruit."

by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Jan 30, 2010 11:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed.

Other than T2, 2 points from the bench. Kieffer played valiantly down the stretch, but gave us nothing offensively. Only played 4 guys off the bench. And, one was Withey for 0.2 seconds.

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by Andy Edwards on Jan 30, 2010 11:42 PM CST up reply actions  

As Bill Self said earlier this year,

he can sit Sherron and win bench scoring every night.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

by Warden11 on Jan 30, 2010 11:45 PM CST up reply actions  

SNL is actually pretty funny tonight

I know its a rerun (Jon Hamm of MadMen is host) but its making me laugh, which is something the show hasn’t done in like 12 year

by Andrew Clark on Jan 30, 2010 11:35 PM CST reply actions  

Actually not a rerun

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by Bensa on Jan 30, 2010 11:37 PM CST up reply actions  

It has to be

My girlfriend had already seen it. She quoted the lines before they were given.

by Andrew Clark on Jan 30, 2010 11:39 PM CST up reply actions  

The opener was a take off of Tuesday's SOTU address.

It’s not a rerun.

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by Bensa on Jan 30, 2010 11:40 PM CST up reply actions  

zing

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

by Warden11 on Jan 30, 2010 11:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh I get it

The Jersey shore thing has been done before, thats how she was able to quote it.

Sorry for the mixup

by Andrew Clark on Jan 30, 2010 11:42 PM CST up reply actions  

it's all good.

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by Bensa on Jan 30, 2010 11:43 PM CST up reply actions  

So happy I've never seen Jersey Shore.

I might kill the first person that tries to get me to watch it.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

by Warden11 on Jan 30, 2010 11:45 PM CST up reply actions  

I watched it once

It was funny, just to make fun of him because Jersey-Italien people might be the funniest people to make fun of ever.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlU2KUhgMa8

by Andrew Clark on Jan 30, 2010 11:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Gottlieb on College Basketball Final

“Tyshawn Taylor simply didn’t want the ball at the end of that game. Had zero confidence.”

Interesting.

"Here are our top priorities: recruit, beat Missouri, recruit, win the North, recruit, win the Big 12, and in most cases if you win the Big 12 then you're playing for a National Championship. And then we're going to recruit."

by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Jan 30, 2010 11:38 PM CST reply actions  

He was a bit of a dichotomy toward the end.

Had some very strong moments, but also had costly turnovers. All in all, though, we don’t win that game without T2 playing the minutes he did.

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by Bensa on Jan 30, 2010 11:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Really?

I saw something very different. Stepped up and hit free throws, played good defense and even had a drive that he drew a block on.

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by Andy Edwards on Jan 30, 2010 11:40 PM CST up reply actions  

I thought T2 was good tonight.

Believe he had the bad TO on the missed passed to Brady, but he was pretty solid.

by hunter s. royal on Jan 30, 2010 11:40 PM CST up reply actions  

I dunno

When Sherron went out he moved to point and made a few good drives to the hoop that really kept us in the game.

He pooped himself a little at the end but his layup and then two freethrows kept us in for sure. Gottlieb is cool and a KU fan but sometimes he looks WAY too into things

by Andrew Clark on Jan 30, 2010 11:40 PM CST up reply actions  

I think his point was that he played pretty well most of the game, but fell apart towards the end (several bad passes), and he attributed it to being scared or whatever.

"Here are our top priorities: recruit, beat Missouri, recruit, win the North, recruit, win the Big 12, and in most cases if you win the Big 12 then you're playing for a National Championship. And then we're going to recruit."

by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Jan 30, 2010 11:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah I love Gottlieb

but I think Tyshawn acquitted himself very well tonight

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by fetch9 on Jan 30, 2010 11:42 PM CST up reply actions  

well

pressure situation in a hostile environment, and he’s never had to do that before really. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt

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by fetch9 on Jan 30, 2010 11:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh, absolutely

as I said above, we don’t win that game without him playing big minutes, especially toward the end of regulation and in OT.

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by Bensa on Jan 30, 2010 11:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Here's your key

Gottlieb

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

by Warden11 on Jan 30, 2010 11:42 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't have a problem with Gottlieb

He’s hard on college kids, but there’s no consistent bias there that I see. And it’s not like he’s just a hater, IMO, because he is willing to give credit where credit is due.

"Here are our top priorities: recruit, beat Missouri, recruit, win the North, recruit, win the Big 12, and in most cases if you win the Big 12 then you're playing for a National Championship. And then we're going to recruit."

by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Jan 30, 2010 11:46 PM CST up reply actions  

He does a segment on 810 each week

with Soren Petro at 11:00 Tuesdays. Entertaining. Gottlieb loves Self, and I love to listen to him, but he’s not always rational.

by hunter s. royal on Jan 30, 2010 11:49 PM CST up reply actions  

big Gottlieb fan

love how he banged on that Cookie dipshit from Nebraska last year for frontin’ against KU.

Plus he’s self-depricating, always references himself as a Jewish point guard

by JayhawkTom on Jan 30, 2010 11:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Is Calhoun going to retire?

If he does, who would replace him? Frank Martin? Calipari? Mark Few?

"Here are our top priorities: recruit, beat Missouri, recruit, win the North, recruit, win the Big 12, and in most cases if you win the Big 12 then you're playing for a National Championship. And then we're going to recruit."

by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Jan 30, 2010 11:48 PM CST reply actions  

He moight have to

Dude’s health isn’t great lately and hes won two titles, nothing much left to prove. I’d bow out, or just be a figure head in the UConn athletic department

by Andrew Clark on Jan 30, 2010 11:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Doubt Calipari's leaving UK,

unless he’s going to the pro’s to be LeBron’s butler. He’s their new idol. And Few’s had lots of chances to leave Zaga and hasn’t done it.

by hunter s. royal on Jan 30, 2010 11:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Few should leave

Although maybe not. He gets overseeded every year, might as well stick with it

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by fetch9 on Jan 30, 2010 11:54 PM CST up reply actions  

I can't see Cal ever leaving UK by choice

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

by Warden11 on Jan 30, 2010 11:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Stealing this from KUSports message board, again:

"Not to be cliché or anything, but I’m Jayhawk born and Jayhawk bred and when I die I’ll be Jayhawk dead." - Ovechwin

by Andy Edwards on Jan 30, 2010 11:50 PM CST reply actions  

That's just what they had.

It serves its purpose, though.

"Not to be cliché or anything, but I’m Jayhawk born and Jayhawk bred and when I die I’ll be Jayhawk dead." - Ovechwin

by Andy Edwards on Jan 30, 2010 11:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Also from KUSports message board:

"Not to be cliché or anything, but I’m Jayhawk born and Jayhawk bred and when I die I’ll be Jayhawk dead." - Ovechwin

by Andy Edwards on Jan 30, 2010 11:54 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Alright folks

I am going to take a 2ish hour nap. See you all in 2.5 hours for the Aussie Open final liveblog

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by fetch9 on Jan 31, 2010 12:00 AM CST reply actions  

I'll be there.

"Not to be cliché or anything, but I’m Jayhawk born and Jayhawk bred and when I die I’ll be Jayhawk dead." - Ovechwin

by Andy Edwards on Jan 31, 2010 12:00 AM CST up reply actions  

I may <3 Sherron Collins a whole hell of a lot,

but damn it, Slam – you are a close fucking second.

Please come back to us.

"Not to be cliché or anything, but I’m Jayhawk born and Jayhawk bred and when I die I’ll be Jayhawk dead." - Ovechwin

by Andy Edwards on Jan 31, 2010 11:11 AM CST up reply actions  

Any pics of Pullen vomiting??

I have been trying to find one, but no success.

Would look great with the caption “EMAW”

by Nick Britt on Jan 31, 2010 2:34 PM CST reply actions  

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