Jayhawks Win Instant Classic, 81-79; Take Driver's Seat to Possible Sixth Straight Big 12 Title
Winning, no matter how you do it, is a good thing - especially on the road. Well, the "Octagon of Doom" ended up being a bit more Gloom than Doom for the Kansas State Wildcats on Saturday night. The Wildcat faithful did prove to be a formidable sixth man and proved their ability to have an effect on their team's play, though. The thing that struck me most surprising, though, was that it never really seemed to trouble the Jayhawks. They never seemed to get scared or go into their shell and come up small in a big moment - at least, not due to the crowd. That had more to do with bad decision making. But, we'll get to that a bit later. Enough can not be said, however, of the resiliency of head coach Bill Self's boys and the way they kept playing their hearts out - no matter what happened the play before or through injury. (I'm looking at you, Mr. Collins.)
Player of the Game: Sherron Collins - 16 points, 1 rebound, 4 assists, 7-14 field goals, 2-6 three point field goals and one game clincher in 41 minutes.
What Went Right
Cole Aldrich took 13 shots in regulation. The game plan from the very beginning, as was the case against Missouri Monday night, was to throw the ball inside to Cole early and often. Shades and memories of the 2008 team resonated with high lobs over the top to the oversized Aldrich, leaving his defenders nearly helpless and only able to foul. Twelve free throw attempts is a much better number for him than twos, threes, fours, fives, etc. that we grew accustomed to early in Big 12 play. Though he got in foul trouble in the second half, picking up his fourth foul with nearly seven minutes to go, he did a good job on defense of keeping his feet on the ground, his arms straight up and laying off the guard during ball screens.
Tyshawn Taylor back into the good graces of Bill Self. Although he came off the bench to start the game, as has been the case through the majority of Big 12 play, Taylor logged 30 of the 45 minutes, including nearly, if not, every single one down the strecth in regulation and overtime. It was oft-struggling freshman Xavier Henry who saw his minutes not only cut but completely revoked late in the game. I cannot recall Henry being in the game from the four minute mark, or so on, after his great drive to the basket and score late in the second half. Perhaps Self just didn't feel comfortable with what appeared to be his suspect ball handling earlier in the game. Or, maybe it he just felt better with Markieff Morris' zero points, zero-for-four from the free throw line statline in the game at the four spot, instead. I'm going to assume it was the first. Getting back to Taylor, though, he had twelve points and was a reliable shooter from the line and hit eight-of-nine, most of which were in overtime.
What Could Have Gone Better
Is it really so hard to toss the ball off the backboard and in from four feet away? It seemed that if they could just make the "bunnies" around the rim, the Jayhawks would have held an eight-plus point lead at the half, rather than the one point lead that came to fruition. Whether it was going up too soft, possibly being fouled or pressure from the Kansas State bigs, it was frustrating to watch and nearly was the noose that Kansas hung themselves with. On a happier note, Cole did continue to show a better turnaround shot. And, before fouling out, Marcus Morris' turnaround jumper was falling more than Kansas State's record at home against the Jayhawks.
Allowing 20 offensive rebounds gives far too many chances to score. Thanks to those 20 rebounds, I now have to stay up into the wee hours of the night and partake in an Open Game Thread at fetch9's blog Beadlemaniacs for the Roger Federer-Andy Murray Australian Open final. Joking aside, I would have been up anyway, so it's no big deal. In fact, feel free to stop by yourself and enjoy what hopes to be another epic Grand Slam final. (There's your payout for the bet, fetch. I one-upped it.) Without re-watching the game yet, it seemed that most of the offensive rebounds early in the game were on long loose balls that the Wildacts simply out-hustled the Jayhawks to. Credit must be given there. Kansas State is a scrappy, hard playing bunch of players and that will (normally) go a long way to pulling out the win.
Simply not converting in the most pivotal of moments almost cost Kansas the game. Turnovers nearly sealed a much sadder fate in this one. Weak passes and bad response to ball pressure far from the basket made the Kansas guards' heads nearly explode. There was even a five second call on an in-bounds play on Brady Morningstar. Rarely do you see that. The only player that seemed to be goof-proof was Collins. His drive to the basket in the last ten seconds was vintage Sherron, as was the finish. He did have the turnover at the end of regulation attempting to take a shot for the win then, so I suppose it can't even be said he handled the pressure that much better himself. Just aggravating at times.
In a game that we won, it's amazing that there seem to be more negatives that stick out the way they do, than positives. And, I was actually very pleased with the way they played, too. Maybe it just goes to show that they have what it takes to win a game when maybe they shouldn't and keep fighting. That mentality will be needed come March.
Random Musings from the Boxscore
- Five-of-ten from the three point line. Maybe they should have shot more. Maybe they found the formula to being successful and not falling in love with the three. Live by the three, die by the three.
- Kansas State shot 43.3 percent from the field. The streak now stands at three.
- Fifteen turnovers commited. Thirteen forced. A much better ratio than that of Monday night. (25-4)
- Wally Judge had twelve points and nine rebounds. Perhaps I should call him out more often - for the sake of Kansas State fans, that is. Not likely to happen.
- I'll say it again: 20 offensive rebounds allowed is frustrating and will not get it done against teams that shoot better from three than Kansas State did. (6-18) We did have fourteen offensive boards of our own, though. So, that almost evens it out.
- 9. The magic number of a combination of Kansas wins and Texas or Missouri losses needed to clinch the Jayhawks' sixth straight Big 12 title. Now on pace for March 3rd. In Allen Fieldhouse. Against Kansas State. On Sherron Collins' Senior Night. Let it be.
225 comments
|
0 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
yeah I'm just calling him 4 now. He's earned it.
And to think, there was a time when I would call him Sharon when he made a bad play
Beadlemaniacs - Award winning* college basketball blog
You know you like college hockey
"This is what happens when you finally become good, and give your arena a gay nickname."
Oh my god, I read that at the KCStar’s Web site and laughed my ass off.
Great recap, KC.
Oh my dear lord...this is RETARDED boss...
by tequilaprophet on Jan 30, 2010 10:19 PM CST reply actions
I don't think Sherron was particularly "goof-proof"
He almost blew it two or three times at the end of regulation. Luckily, though, he more than made up for it in OT. That was a hella-clutch drive at the end.
Operation 39-1 is a go. Proceed to target.
Agreed.
Wasn’t a great overall game for Sherron at all.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
yeah
it was above average, but not great
Beadlemaniacs - Award winning* college basketball blog
You know you like college hockey
Still
He’s got to move up in the POTY race, I would think, just from a leadership/gutsy standpoint. Who knows, it’s probably already got Wall’s name engraved on the trophy with all the media-type fellatio going on for him these days.
Operation 39-1 is a go. Proceed to target.
Oh I'm sure
even though, assuming you count Evan Turner as a guard (which I do) and your All-American team is G, G, F, F, C, Wall isn’t even a 1st team All-American in my book.
Beadlemaniacs - Award winning* college basketball blog
You know you like college hockey
Depending on how OSU ends up
Turner should probably be POTY
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
Yes he is.
They’re a completely different team with him. If he stays healthy and they continue to have success, he’s almost guaranteed #1.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
So who do you have?
G-Collins
G-Turner
F-Damion James??
F-Harangody??
C-Aldrich? Udoh? Varnado?
Just curious…
Also, I don’t think there’s any way Wall doesn’t end up a first team All American. Not saying I like it, but I don’t see it not having him on it.
Operation 39-1 is a go. Proceed to target.
our midseason 1st teamers were:
Scheyer
Turner
Jimmer Fredette
Patrick Patterson
Cole
Beadlemaniacs - Award winning* college basketball blog
You know you like college hockey
oh yeah
even with his injury. He’s that good.
Beadlemaniacs - Award winning* college basketball blog
You know you like college hockey
well Id have to look at the numbers more
but Turner and Scheyer would still be my two guards
Beadlemaniacs - Award winning* college basketball blog
You know you like college hockey
Interesting
Somehow, I don’t see Scheyer being on the list at the end of the year. That team is going to get exposed over the next two months, I think.
Operation 39-1 is a go. Proceed to target.
They got whacked again today.
Don’t know how Scheyer played though.
by hunter s. royal on Jan 30, 2010 11:10 PM CST up reply actions
he played alright
good, not great
Beadlemaniacs - Award winning* college basketball blog
You know you like college hockey
Is this based on statistics?
And do your statistics factor in defense? Because Duke allowed Georgetown to shoot 71% today. That’s freaking ridiculous.
"Here are our top priorities: recruit, beat Missouri, recruit, win the North, recruit, win the Big 12, and in most cases if you win the Big 12 then you're playing for a National Championship. And then we're going to recruit."
by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Jan 30, 2010 11:12 PM CST up reply actions
yeah it's stats
well, it’s tough to do player defensive stats, aside from steal and block rate.
I had Scheyer as the POY and would be more than willing to defend it
Beadlemaniacs - Award winning* college basketball blog
You know you like college hockey
Eek.
I’ll go on the record and voice my disagreement there. He’s had a very fine year, a surprising year, to be sure, but he’s not the POY. Not even close.
Operation 39-1 is a go. Proceed to target.
alright
Who do you think is so I can do a simple A vs. B comparison
Beadlemaniacs - Award winning* college basketball blog
You know you like college hockey
If I had to name a POY tonight
I’d probably go with either Turner or Wesley Johnson. I’m not basing it on any specific statistical analysis, though. That’s just my opinion.
Operation 39-1 is a go. Proceed to target.
ok
well I’d be fine with Turner because Turner was hurt and stuff so it’s tough to do a straight comparison, so I will do Scheyer v. Johnson
Beadlemaniacs - Award winning* college basketball blog
You know you like college hockey
Johnson
64% True Shooting percentage. Very good. 10% assist rate to a 19.3% turnover rate, not good. 8.5 offensive rebounding% and 19% defensive rebounding. 117.7 Offensive rating (170th nationally)
Beadlemaniacs - Award winning* college basketball blog
You know you like college hockey
A/T rate can’t be looked at in a vacuum, IMO. If your role on the team is to be the scorer, you’re not going to get huge assist numbers, and you’re going to get more TOs.
To me, that’s a stat that should skew towards PGs every time.
"Here are our top priorities: recruit, beat Missouri, recruit, win the North, recruit, win the Big 12, and in most cases if you win the Big 12 then you're playing for a National Championship. And then we're going to recruit."
by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Jan 30, 2010 11:23 PM CST up reply actions
it really doesnt work out that way though
a lot of PGs have higher TO% than their leading scorers because they have the ball so much
Beadlemaniacs - Award winning* college basketball blog
You know you like college hockey
Scheyer
60.2% true shooting percentage, good. 27.7% assist rate, 10.8% TO rate (and by the way, this is a guy who monopolizes the ball for Duke. He plays 90% of their minutes and is their ball handler. 10.8% TO rate is freaking amazing). and a 133.7 O-rating. 6th nationally
Beadlemaniacs - Award winning* college basketball blog
You know you like college hockey
Johnson has been amazing.
His loss has got to be killing ISU fans. Though I really don’t remember him being all that when he was there.
by hunter s. royal on Jan 30, 2010 11:19 PM CST up reply actions
He was SUPER-thin
as a freshman. I mean, he’s still really thin, but he was like a friggin’ rail as a frosh. He was a really good shooter, if I recall correctly.
Operation 39-1 is a go. Proceed to target.
Is he only a soph?
I was thinking he spent 2 years there. But I’m probably wrong, like I was about Withey’s status. He is still a freshman.
by hunter s. royal on Jan 30, 2010 11:22 PM CST up reply actions
Do your stats adjust for style? Certain players get their stats padded by playing in a system tailor-made for their skills. Part of the reason UNC guys get overrated, IMO.
"Here are our top priorities: recruit, beat Missouri, recruit, win the North, recruit, win the Big 12, and in most cases if you win the Big 12 then you're playing for a National Championship. And then we're going to recruit."
by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Jan 30, 2010 11:21 PM CST up reply actions
fetch's claim to fame is tempo free
so I’m guessing everything he cites supports that.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
Nice win obviously,
but we certainly made it hard on ourselves. They need work on the bunny line.
by hunter s. royal on Jan 30, 2010 10:31 PM CST reply actions
Better to do it this way now, rather than in March, no?
"Not to be cliché or anything, but I’m Jayhawk born and Jayhawk bred and when I die I’ll be Jayhawk dead." - Ovechwin
by Andy Edwards on Jan 30, 2010 10:34 PM CST up reply actions
A couple of keys to the win, IMO:
- Cole being able to play (and play effectively!) with 4 fouls down the stretch of regulation and throughout OT. I thought for sure he would foul out in OT given the trend of the game. But he did a fantastic job of going “straight up” and being able to protect the rim without making contact.
- Never let KState get on a good run. Any time they would get some momentum, we would call a timeout, and then were able to execute and get a basket to slow them down. Did they ever lead by more than 4 or 5 the whole game?
- Clemente was shut down in the second half. Became basically a non-factor. Even got to the point where he walked away from his coach during a timeout huddle. That’s the sign of a player that’s clearly rattled.
"Here are our top priorities: recruit, beat Missouri, recruit, win the North, recruit, win the Big 12, and in most cases if you win the Big 12 then you're playing for a National Championship. And then we're going to recruit."
by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Jan 30, 2010 10:38 PM CST reply actions
+1,000
on not letting them get on a run. Kinda goes back to saying that I never really felt like we let the crowd affect us to the point of hurting us. They were always within reach.
"Not to be cliché or anything, but I’m Jayhawk born and Jayhawk bred and when I die I’ll be Jayhawk dead." - Ovechwin
by Andy Edwards on Jan 30, 2010 10:39 PM CST up reply actions
In one highlight of the huddle, ...
it appears that Frank was throwing someone out of the huddle, and I thought I remembered the announcers talking about it – a second time, after Pullen went over and hurled. If not, you gota wonder about the players’ discipline & respect for the coach.
Realistically, I think Clemente was pretty much shut down the entire game. Not certain about the stats, but I do recall commentary about the G’s not producing. Another reason to love the play of Brady & TT.
You know what 2 wins in a row in Manhattan equals?
A STREAK. That’s right kitties. Just when you thought you’d exorcised that demon, it has returned. Granted it’s not the behemoth it once was, but it is a streak nonetheless.
by KU_Lew on Jan 30, 2010 10:41 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Granted it’s not the behemoth it once was
….yet.
"Not to be cliché or anything, but I’m Jayhawk born and Jayhawk bred and when I die I’ll be Jayhawk dead." - Ovechwin
by Andy Edwards on Jan 30, 2010 10:42 PM CST up reply actions
Love it when the AD logs on
and throws down. 1-26 against KU at the Octogon of Denial.
by hunter s. royal on Jan 30, 2010 10:42 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Looked through BOTC's thread
and saw that besides tigger fans, several guys from the SB Kentucky site were there cheering for KSU. We depressed 3 enemies at once tonight. Nice.
by hunter s. royal on Jan 30, 2010 10:52 PM CST reply actions
Yeah
I looked through it as well. Lots of Tigers & Wildcats frustrated at the end. Very enjoyable.
Operation 39-1 is a go. Proceed to target.
They don't seem to like us much. :)
The venom got rather over the top. The RMN folks are usually not that psycho. " Embrace the hate" as the UK moderator likes to say.
by hunter s. royal on Jan 30, 2010 10:59 PM CST up reply actions
It's not a bad thing knowing we only beat one team
but broke two hearts tonight.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
good point.
Although it was only a couple of them. What the hell, lets throw all of them in there too!
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
Yes, they were really into it.
Our drive by, if rather polite troller, oldcat 69 was there, along with several others. I’m not sure why they were so against us, they almost seemed to think they’d still be #1 if we lost, which isn’t rational.
by hunter s. royal on Jan 30, 2010 11:04 PM CST up reply actions
I don't really get it.
There’s so much hatred over there for our players and coaches. Over here, we get pissed off at the refs and what not, but we don’t call their players criminals or what not. I’m not trying to say we’re perfect or anything, but there are some REALLY tasteless and classless posts over on that thread, and some of those authors really should be ashamed of themselves, imo.
Operation 39-1 is a go. Proceed to target.
Yeah, being an author here now
doesn’t allow me to “speak my mind” fully as I did last year. It’s worth the trade, though. Trying to be a better fan.
"Not to be cliché or anything, but I’m Jayhawk born and Jayhawk bred and when I die I’ll be Jayhawk dead." - Ovechwin
by Andy Edwards on Jan 30, 2010 11:09 PM CST up reply actions
Fuck off
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
by Warden11 on Jan 30, 2010 11:12 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
LLLLLLLLOOOOOOOLLLLLLLL
I was told, however, that you are the one person that I don’t have to censor myself with.
"Not to be cliché or anything, but I’m Jayhawk born and Jayhawk bred and when I die I’ll be Jayhawk dead." - Ovechwin
by Andy Edwards on Jan 30, 2010 11:13 PM CST up reply actions
I always wonder...
if you two are serious or not…it’s like watching a couple of friends who talk a lot of shit to eachother but teeter on an all out brawl.
52 Conference Championships!! Holy Hell...Good Luck with That!!
Like KUGrad and his doppelganger,
Sherronwhatthefrickshisname?
by hunter s. royal on Jan 30, 2010 11:23 PM CST up reply actions
except....
I knew that was a lame attempt at a sock
52 Conference Championships!! Holy Hell...Good Luck with That!!
Hahaha man you guys gotta admit that was good
I had two computers going (mine and the main bitches) and I kept almost posting wrong stuff wrong name yanmean.
Denver I just gave you a stadium chant and your swingin at me man, you’re swingin
by Andrew Clark on Jan 30, 2010 11:32 PM CST up reply actions
He's smarter than that.
but teeter on an all out brawl.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
I'm just gonna let you have it tonight,
because you’re on a pretty good roll. I used all my will power on the game tonight.
"Not to be cliché or anything, but I’m Jayhawk born and Jayhawk bred and when I die I’ll be Jayhawk dead." - Ovechwin
by Andy Edwards on Jan 30, 2010 11:26 PM CST up reply actions
That Rally Rec was pure brilliant.
We’ll use it anytime and everytime we are in need of a boost.
"Not to be cliché or anything, but I’m Jayhawk born and Jayhawk bred and when I die I’ll be Jayhawk dead." - Ovechwin
by Andy Edwards on Jan 30, 2010 11:32 PM CST up reply actions
The hatred for Cole is bizarre.
i can certainly see making fun of his missing tooth and goofy persona, but they seemed to believe he was the second coming of Charles Manson. Disturbing.
by hunter s. royal on Jan 30, 2010 11:09 PM CST up reply actions
Exactly
it’s just a deranged hatred and, as you said above, very irrational. I don’t like irrational. In fact, I hate irrational. With a burning, irrational passion. Wait, now I’m contradicting myself. Oh well.
Operation 39-1 is a go. Proceed to target.
well
there is so much to hate about a hardworking kid of poor parents who sacrificed to help him realize his dream and now he’s going to make millions in the NBA and get them out of hard times, and one who just lost his grandmother. What an asshole.
Beadlemaniacs - Award winning* college basketball blog
You know you like college hockey
by fetch9 on Jan 30, 2010 11:12 PM CST up reply actions 6 recs
Rec'd for putting it into good perspective.
"Not to be cliché or anything, but I’m Jayhawk born and Jayhawk bred and when I die I’ll be Jayhawk dead." - Ovechwin
by Andy Edwards on Jan 30, 2010 11:13 PM CST up reply actions
That jerk doesn’t even talk trash or get into off-the-court issues, and never gets his d*ck constantly sucked by ESPN. Hell, he’s even a potential Academic AA this year! What an a-hole!
"Here are our top priorities: recruit, beat Missouri, recruit, win the North, recruit, win the Big 12, and in most cases if you win the Big 12 then you're playing for a National Championship. And then we're going to recruit."
by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Jan 30, 2010 11:17 PM CST up reply actions
I do believe they use the term "retard"
over and over and over, justifying it by saying Kansas fans are horrible people. Whatever. My brother is a Wilcat, had dinner with a Wildcat this week…had a great time. Personally never met a Wilcat that acted so hateful so I’ll just ignore.
52 Conference Championships!! Holy Hell...Good Luck with That!!
understood...
like I said, I’ve never met someone like that and I known many Wildcats in my day. Understand the heat of the moment…I also understand completely that we have fans that push it too far as well. It is what it is.
52 Conference Championships!! Holy Hell...Good Luck with That!!
I'd agree...
I started thinking that when I read through their thread. It just amazed me the amount of personal hatred. Like you said I’m not claiming I don’t complain unjustly about things at times, but I hold no ill will toward the Wildcats players and certainly not individual fans. I’d imagine Pan is who you are referring to on your last note.
52 Conference Championships!! Holy Hell...Good Luck with That!!
I didn't take much note of the specific people
but Pan sounds right to me. If it’s only one poster, maybe it’s not that big of a deal (though still super annoying), but I feel like it’s pretty pervasive over there.
Operation 39-1 is a go. Proceed to target.
no...
it’s not one…I just thought when you mentioned authors you were probably referring to him.
52 Conference Championships!! Holy Hell...Good Luck with That!!
very possibly
again, though, I didn’t take note of the specific names. And I’ll probably never go over there again, just so I don’t increase their numbers after that kind of display. I just get tired of that crap, and I don’t think there’s any defense for it.
If it got that bad here, I’d probably stop showing up. Which is why I’m glad it’s not like that over here.
Operation 39-1 is a go. Proceed to target.
As this place grows, those of here now have a responsibility to not let this happen.
Which is why I’m glad it’s not like that over here.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
Agreed.
That’s what’s great about RCT. The Slant is good for more of a “news” type site but some of the people there have that sense of entitlement because it’s a pay site and whatever. KUSports is well….a message board. The people that come over are good (so far) and I hope it stays that way.
"Not to be cliché or anything, but I’m Jayhawk born and Jayhawk bred and when I die I’ll be Jayhawk dead." - Ovechwin
by Andy Edwards on Jan 30, 2010 11:26 PM CST up reply actions
One of my best friends just got in at kusports
spending toime there. I told him he better join us here or I’ll kill him.
Don’t worry he isn’t like me he is level headed, good-looking and smart. I’m not bringing in Grad 2.0 :)
by Andrew Clark on Jan 30, 2010 11:27 PM CST up reply actions
Not worried he's gonna steal your girl?
Don’t worry he isn’t like me he is level headed, good-looking and smart.
"Not to be cliché or anything, but I’m Jayhawk born and Jayhawk bred and when I die I’ll be Jayhawk dead." - Ovechwin
by Andy Edwards on Jan 30, 2010 11:28 PM CST up reply actions
No because my woman obviously has some sort of mental thang
Considering she likes me. Its weirdly awesome. Shes 80 times smarter than me, better looking, cooler,etc.
I’m holdin on for dear life!
by Andrew Clark on Jan 30, 2010 11:30 PM CST up reply actions
Relax
I already told her I was finished.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
by Warden11 on Jan 30, 2010 11:31 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Wow.
Comment of the year possibly.
"Not to be cliché or anything, but I’m Jayhawk born and Jayhawk bred and when I die I’ll be Jayhawk dead." - Ovechwin
by Andy Edwards on Jan 30, 2010 11:32 PM CST up reply actions
Come on,
Warden educates our children and makes 1% of what the BSD’s on Wall Street make, we gotta let him have his fun.
by hunter s. royal on Jan 30, 2010 11:38 PM CST up reply actions
Never
I’ll never turn to the dark side
by Andrew Clark on Jan 30, 2010 11:38 PM CST up reply actions
Bracket?
"Not to be cliché or anything, but I’m Jayhawk born and Jayhawk bred and when I die I’ll be Jayhawk dead." - Ovechwin
by Andy Edwards on Jan 30, 2010 11:22 PM CST up reply actions
ding ding ding
OMG the beakers will hate this! We just beat a team they are playing next week!
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
Gee, I don't know, maybe it has something to do with 22 years of frustration?
You have no idea what it feels like to find new ways to lose at home to you guys every year. I think I’ve seen every way possible at this point.
Pray you never have to find out.
And don’t mistake heat-of-the-moment frustration for a lack of respect, because we do grudgingly respect what Self has done. How can you not?
But it’s just extremely frustrating to see a program shrug off academic fraud, probation, lack of institutional control, on-campus brawls and numerous other embarrassments like it’s nothing and still win championship after championship.
I was raised to believe that doing the right thing will pay off in the end, but in college basketball, that couldn’t be further from the truth.
Regardless, enjoy the victory. Meanwhile, I will go back to work Monday and endure endless shit from the classless KU fans with whom I work. If they weren’t such intolerable gits, maybe I wouldn’t be so vitriolic in the heat of battle when a victory is there for the taking.
Not that that's valid excuse or anything
I must admit, a moderate amount of alcohol was involved, too.
no worries....
I don’t disagree that it would be extremely frustrating. It is what it is and I don’t doubt that you have some obnoxious fans from our end that you have to deal with as well.
Just know that we here do recognize that Frank Martin and company are presenting a legitimate challenge these days and for the most part we embrace it over here. It’s good for all involved. We take our jabs no doubt but we try to keep it light because of that.
52 Conference Championships!! Holy Hell...Good Luck with That!!
LMFAO
Everything you just mention isn’t even close to the shit Snyder and Co pulled with your football program in the 90s. I forgot that the saints at KSU can’t match up with the “cheaters” at KU. Besides most of that ties into either our football program a few years ago and the basketball stuff is all tied to Roy Wiliams (nothing with Self since he has been here). If KSU was good, we could say its frustrating to see a program who ILLEGALLY SECRETLY PAID OFF ITS FORMER FOOTBALL COACH, HAD A PLAYER ON ITS BBALL TEAM CHARGED WITH MOLESTING LITTLE BOYS, etc etc.
Stop pretending like KU are such the bad guys and KSU are perfect. Its really really stupid. I don’t mind the smack talk but this viewpoint KState people make up that KU are cheaters and criminals etc to make them feel better about the losses has to stop. Are you 14?
While you endure the classless KU fans, I’ve had to endure millions of classless KSU fans who talked SO much shit before the game acting like they are on par with our program. You’re not. Get the delusions out of your head.
You guys get so frustrated because you expect to beat us then shit yourself when you dont. We’re a better team. A win would have been awesome and very possible but when it doesn’t come acting like the world has ended is a bit much. OMG, we didn’t beat the number two team in the country NOOOOOO.
In the end its basketball buddy…
by Andrew Clark on Jan 31, 2010 12:08 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I understand very well, actually
I’m a Cubs and Vikings fan. Such is life.
Operation 39-1 is a go. Proceed to target.
Cubs and Vikes?
I thought I had it bad
Beadlemaniacs - Award winning* college basketball blog
You know you like college hockey
Dude.
it’s brutal around here. The Jayhawks are really the only good thing in my sports life.
Operation 39-1 is a go. Proceed to target.
I have the Penguins at least
and hopefully the Twins make a run here soon
Beadlemaniacs - Award winning* college basketball blog
You know you like college hockey
I do cheer for the Penguins
because the wife is a humongo-fan of them. So I guess I sort of have them too.
Operation 39-1 is a go. Proceed to target.
Howd you manage to root for the cubs and vikes?
Thats Minneapolis/Chicago. Thats like liking the Chiefs and then the Oakland As…dont usually associate rooting for two towns whos teams hate each other haha.
by Andrew Clark on Jan 31, 2010 2:18 PM CST up reply actions
Spent a lot of time in my formative years
in Chicago and Minnesota. Have always been a Cubs fan (remember watching all the afternoon games on WGN before they put lights in Wrigley), then became a Vikes fan when I started liking football whilst living in Minnesota during junior high and high school.
I only moved to KS in 2000, when I quickly became a Jayhawk fan. I’m a Midwest boy, though, through and through.
Operation 39-1 is a go. Proceed to target.
midwest ftw
where abouts in Minnesota if I may ask
Beadlemaniacs - Award winning* college basketball blog
You know you like college hockey
Owatonna
about an hour straight south of the Twin Cities on I-35.
Operation 39-1 is a go. Proceed to target.
Oh cool I've been through there
too bad you couldn’t get persuaded to be a Twins fan. Although they make me mad like no other sometimes.
Beadlemaniacs - Award winning* college basketball blog
You know you like college hockey
I was there for both World Series wins
in ‘87 and ’91. I definitely cheered for them. I would say that I WAS a Twins fan while living in Minnesota, and I still root for them now, but I don’t keep good track of them.
I still remember that 1991 World Series like it was yesterday. One of the best of all time. Jack Morris=Baseball God (at least for one game).
Operation 39-1 is a go. Proceed to target.
I'm a midwest guy myself
And as you know a packer fan. May we give each other good natured shit until our deaths
by Andrew Clark on Jan 31, 2010 7:13 PM CST up reply actions
You guys bringing the "Lynch Mob" back in football?
Now that was a classy group of folks. Truly something to be proud of at an institution of higher learning.
"Here are our top priorities: recruit, beat Missouri, recruit, win the North, recruit, win the Big 12, and in most cases if you win the Big 12 then you're playing for a National Championship. And then we're going to recruit."
by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Jan 31, 2010 2:25 PM CST up reply actions
I believe that correct usage is
“NOICE!”
"Not to be cliché or anything, but I’m Jayhawk born and Jayhawk bred and when I die I’ll be Jayhawk dead." - Ovechwin
by Andy Edwards on Jan 30, 2010 10:54 PM CST up reply actions
Bramlage seems rather quiet now
as Gameday concludes. Sad.
by hunter s. royal on Jan 30, 2010 11:00 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
you mean the didn't tear it down yet?
52 Conference Championships!! Holy Hell...Good Luck with That!!
I imagine after they finish torching Aggieville,
they’ll come back and finish it off.
by hunter s. royal on Jan 30, 2010 11:06 PM CST up reply actions
In a town like that, the angry mob
should have no shortage of pitchforks
by JayhawkTom on Jan 30, 2010 11:13 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Quick Sidenote....
Swept the season series with Missouri in Women’s basketball. I’ll say it again, it’s nice to see Kansas winning in the Tigers bread and butter sports. Clearly I’m referring to the non revenue sports here.
52 Conference Championships!! Holy Hell...Good Luck with That!!
let's take it to them in baseball this year
Beadlemaniacs - Award winning* college basketball blog
You know you like college hockey
he does rule
Beadlemaniacs - Award winning* college basketball blog
You know you like college hockey
Den-ver Jay-hawk
clap clap clapclapclap
by Andrew Clark on Jan 30, 2010 11:26 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
you guys enjoy...
I’m going to catch some zzzz’s….try to keep Fetch and his girlfriend from getting this thing too off topic.
52 Conference Championships!! Holy Hell...Good Luck with That!!
who and who?
Beadlemaniacs - Award winning* college basketball blog
You know you like college hockey
haha.
you sure you’re not gonna stay up for the tennis?
Beadlemaniacs - Award winning* college basketball blog
You know you like college hockey
LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAME
Stay up, watch tennis
by Andrew Clark on Jan 30, 2010 11:29 PM CST up reply actions
Since we're going to be ranked #1 Monday....
should we celebrate our asses off? Maybe have some t-shirts made? Better yet, how about we show Coach Self how much we appreciate this and put up a “thank you” banner outside his home?
What’s that you say? UK already did all that? Damn! We’ll have to come up with something else.
Or I guess we can just act like fans of a tradition-rich program that’s been there before. Basically give the ranking an obligatory “That’s cool” reaction and go about our day. Nothing more.
Banner, Shirts, DVD and a commemorative photo all seem in order
52 Conference Championships!! Holy Hell...Good Luck with That!!
Hey, whatever you gotta do to make that money for the university.
If you wanna sell t shirts, you’re the man. You lead, we follow.
"Not to be cliché or anything, but I’m Jayhawk born and Jayhawk bred and when I die I’ll be Jayhawk dead." - Ovechwin
by Andy Edwards on Jan 30, 2010 11:28 PM CST up reply actions
One of which I own
Actually, I gave it to the wife for her 30th birthday, which happened to be exactly one year after the night we won the national championship.
Operation 39-1 is a go. Proceed to target.
What do I gotta do
to score some of that Sherron action?
"Not to be cliché or anything, but I’m Jayhawk born and Jayhawk bred and when I die I’ll be Jayhawk dead." - Ovechwin
by Andy Edwards on Jan 30, 2010 11:37 PM CST up reply actions
So, assuming we head to Austin 8-0,
we win there and we all but lock up the Big 12 title. What do we need to fix to beat them?
"Not to be cliché or anything, but I’m Jayhawk born and Jayhawk bred and when I die I’ll be Jayhawk dead." - Ovechwin
We play Colorado and then Nebraskie right, as in next
@ Lawrence West, then at home?
by Andrew Clark on Jan 30, 2010 11:33 PM CST up reply actions
Correct, IIRC.
"Not to be cliché or anything, but I’m Jayhawk born and Jayhawk bred and when I die I’ll be Jayhawk dead." - Ovechwin
by Andy Edwards on Jan 30, 2010 11:34 PM CST up reply actions
Really just need to not have a let diown
Take care of business and then get to 8-0. Who knows, maybe Tejas, KSU, MU, OSU some of them lose another game and even a loss at Tejas wont have the Big12 title train going off the tracks
by Andrew Clark on Jan 30, 2010 11:37 PM CST up reply actions
Right now,
a loss at UT puts us one game ahead of everyone else. We have a two game lead over UT and mu. 6-0 and both of them are 4-2. We gave ourselves a REAL cushion and room for error, although I hope we don’t need it.
"Not to be cliché or anything, but I’m Jayhawk born and Jayhawk bred and when I die I’ll be Jayhawk dead." - Ovechwin
by Andy Edwards on Jan 30, 2010 11:38 PM CST up reply actions
UT still has to go to
Stillwater, Columbia, Lubbock, and Waco. And maybe OU can take their skirts off long enough to string 40 minutes together.
Tough road
I'd bet money they lose two more games not against usq
Then again if we beat CU and Corn and knock them off in Austin the thing is almost over
by Andrew Clark on Jan 30, 2010 11:43 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed. Must avoid a let down.
Let’s not pull a Mizzou or K-State. You know, beat a big rival only to then lay an egg the next game out. KU doesn’t usually have a problem with that. Still, don’t get complacent because we have a 2 game lead.
If there's one coach
that won’t let them get complacent, I feel good with HCBS being that coach.
"Not to be cliché or anything, but I’m Jayhawk born and Jayhawk bred and when I die I’ll be Jayhawk dead." - Ovechwin
by Andy Edwards on Jan 30, 2010 11:44 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah but KSU played a tough OSU team
When OSU is off they are terrible (today) when they are on they can play with anyone. Luckily we have CU and Corn so even if we play average, we should handle business.
Really for how epic todays game is, we didn’t play that well. If we had played like we did against Mizzou we win that game by 15. Shows the talent of our team
by Andrew Clark on Jan 30, 2010 11:44 PM CST up reply actions
I dont, I dont, I dont know why you gotta be alls like this
by Andrew Clark on Jan 30, 2010 11:48 PM CST up reply actions
Because the numbers for today were shitty.
KSU probably had something to do with it, but still.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
without getting too far ahead of ourselves,
isn’t it pretty much locked up?
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
Pretty much.
No way we finish worse that 14-2.
"Not to be cliché or anything, but I’m Jayhawk born and Jayhawk bred and when I die I’ll be Jayhawk dead." - Ovechwin
by Andy Edwards on Jan 30, 2010 11:39 PM CST up reply actions
Of course,
we’ve thought that before…heading to Lubbock.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
That was a VERY different team.
Well, same team…just a lot better now.
"Not to be cliché or anything, but I’m Jayhawk born and Jayhawk bred and when I die I’ll be Jayhawk dead." - Ovechwin
by Andy Edwards on Jan 30, 2010 11:41 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed.
Although I thought there a few chances tonight for Kansas to show they were in a whole different level everyone else and that didn’t happen.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
Given the situation,
I’m not worried about not showing that tonight. I would have liked it, obviously, but the fact that everything seemed to go against them (i.e. foul calls, foul trouble, Marcus fouling out, Sherron getting banged up, so many O boards) that we got the win out of all of it, that says more to me than anything. They came together and really did it as a team.
As I said in this thread (the post itself) that there wasn’t anything outstanding that stood out, but somehow they did it. Imagine when they do something spectacular.
"Not to be cliché or anything, but I’m Jayhawk born and Jayhawk bred and when I die I’ll be Jayhawk dead." - Ovechwin
by Andy Edwards on Jan 30, 2010 11:47 PM CST up reply actions
exactly
bigtime growth tonight. Remember, this team is still young as hell
Beadlemaniacs - Award winning* college basketball blog
You know you like college hockey
And I agree with this.
Though one of my first statements in the game threads today was “wanting to make a statement”.
Winning in Manhattan is a big statement, just not what this team is capable of doing. I still want to see all parts going off at the same time.
/greedy
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
Yes, the gameplan was excellent tonight,
but execution was sloppy. Still have lots of room for improvement.
by hunter s. royal on Jan 30, 2010 11:54 PM CST up reply actions
We're all greedy.
We won a championship two years ago, and we want another this year. It’s what’s so great about being a Jayhawk – we can do that.
"Not to be cliché or anything, but I’m Jayhawk born and Jayhawk bred and when I die I’ll be Jayhawk dead." - Ovechwin
by Andy Edwards on Jan 30, 2010 11:55 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, our team now has Marcus
Who is just a force inside and can score from anywhere. If X can play better it’d be nice,he struggled tonight. But when he gets on and gives us minutes its huge. He did have a few moments tonoight…
by Andrew Clark on Jan 30, 2010 11:45 PM CST up reply actions
yeah he has played like garbage next year
which may or may not end up being a blessing in disguise, as methinks we might be seeing him next year
Beadlemaniacs - Award winning* college basketball blog
You know you like college hockey
Bench scoring.
Gotta tweak the rotation or something, but we need more production when the starters are out.
"Here are our top priorities: recruit, beat Missouri, recruit, win the North, recruit, win the Big 12, and in most cases if you win the Big 12 then you're playing for a National Championship. And then we're going to recruit."
by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Jan 30, 2010 11:41 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed.
Other than T2, 2 points from the bench. Kieffer played valiantly down the stretch, but gave us nothing offensively. Only played 4 guys off the bench. And, one was Withey for 0.2 seconds.
"Not to be cliché or anything, but I’m Jayhawk born and Jayhawk bred and when I die I’ll be Jayhawk dead." - Ovechwin
by Andy Edwards on Jan 30, 2010 11:42 PM CST up reply actions
As Bill Self said earlier this year,
he can sit Sherron and win bench scoring every night.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
SNL is actually pretty funny tonight
I know its a rerun (Jon Hamm of MadMen is host) but its making me laugh, which is something the show hasn’t done in like 12 year
It has to be
My girlfriend had already seen it. She quoted the lines before they were given.
by Andrew Clark on Jan 30, 2010 11:39 PM CST up reply actions
The opener was a take off of Tuesday's SOTU address.
It’s not a rerun.
Operation 39-1 is a go. Proceed to target.
Oh I get it
The Jersey shore thing has been done before, thats how she was able to quote it.
Sorry for the mixup
by Andrew Clark on Jan 30, 2010 11:42 PM CST up reply actions
So happy I've never seen Jersey Shore.
I might kill the first person that tries to get me to watch it.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
I watched it once
It was funny, just to make fun of him because Jersey-Italien people might be the funniest people to make fun of ever.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlU2KUhgMa8
by Andrew Clark on Jan 30, 2010 11:47 PM CST up reply actions
Gottlieb on College Basketball Final
“Tyshawn Taylor simply didn’t want the ball at the end of that game. Had zero confidence.”
Interesting.
"Here are our top priorities: recruit, beat Missouri, recruit, win the North, recruit, win the Big 12, and in most cases if you win the Big 12 then you're playing for a National Championship. And then we're going to recruit."
by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Jan 30, 2010 11:38 PM CST reply actions
He was a bit of a dichotomy toward the end.
Had some very strong moments, but also had costly turnovers. All in all, though, we don’t win that game without T2 playing the minutes he did.
Operation 39-1 is a go. Proceed to target.
Really?
I saw something very different. Stepped up and hit free throws, played good defense and even had a drive that he drew a block on.
"Not to be cliché or anything, but I’m Jayhawk born and Jayhawk bred and when I die I’ll be Jayhawk dead." - Ovechwin
by Andy Edwards on Jan 30, 2010 11:40 PM CST up reply actions
I thought T2 was good tonight.
Believe he had the bad TO on the missed passed to Brady, but he was pretty solid.
by hunter s. royal on Jan 30, 2010 11:40 PM CST up reply actions
I dunno
When Sherron went out he moved to point and made a few good drives to the hoop that really kept us in the game.
He pooped himself a little at the end but his layup and then two freethrows kept us in for sure. Gottlieb is cool and a KU fan but sometimes he looks WAY too into things
by Andrew Clark on Jan 30, 2010 11:40 PM CST up reply actions
I think his point was that he played pretty well most of the game, but fell apart towards the end (several bad passes), and he attributed it to being scared or whatever.
"Here are our top priorities: recruit, beat Missouri, recruit, win the North, recruit, win the Big 12, and in most cases if you win the Big 12 then you're playing for a National Championship. And then we're going to recruit."
by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Jan 30, 2010 11:44 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah I love Gottlieb
but I think Tyshawn acquitted himself very well tonight
Beadlemaniacs - Award winning* college basketball blog
You know you like college hockey
He did have a couple real bone-headed turnovers at the end.
Operation 39-1 is a go. Proceed to target.
well
pressure situation in a hostile environment, and he’s never had to do that before really. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt
Beadlemaniacs - Award winning* college basketball blog
You know you like college hockey
Oh, absolutely
as I said above, we don’t win that game without him playing big minutes, especially toward the end of regulation and in OT.
Operation 39-1 is a go. Proceed to target.
I don't have a problem with Gottlieb
He’s hard on college kids, but there’s no consistent bias there that I see. And it’s not like he’s just a hater, IMO, because he is willing to give credit where credit is due.
"Here are our top priorities: recruit, beat Missouri, recruit, win the North, recruit, win the Big 12, and in most cases if you win the Big 12 then you're playing for a National Championship. And then we're going to recruit."
by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Jan 30, 2010 11:46 PM CST up reply actions
He does a segment on 810 each week
with Soren Petro at 11:00 Tuesdays. Entertaining. Gottlieb loves Self, and I love to listen to him, but he’s not always rational.
by hunter s. royal on Jan 30, 2010 11:49 PM CST up reply actions
big Gottlieb fan
love how he banged on that Cookie dipshit from Nebraska last year for frontin’ against KU.
Plus he’s self-depricating, always references himself as a Jewish point guard
Is Calhoun going to retire?
If he does, who would replace him? Frank Martin? Calipari? Mark Few?
"Here are our top priorities: recruit, beat Missouri, recruit, win the North, recruit, win the Big 12, and in most cases if you win the Big 12 then you're playing for a National Championship. And then we're going to recruit."
by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Jan 30, 2010 11:48 PM CST reply actions
He moight have to
Dude’s health isn’t great lately and hes won two titles, nothing much left to prove. I’d bow out, or just be a figure head in the UConn athletic department
by Andrew Clark on Jan 30, 2010 11:49 PM CST up reply actions
Doubt Calipari's leaving UK,
unless he’s going to the pro’s to be LeBron’s butler. He’s their new idol. And Few’s had lots of chances to leave Zaga and hasn’t done it.
by hunter s. royal on Jan 30, 2010 11:52 PM CST up reply actions
Few should leave
Although maybe not. He gets overseeded every year, might as well stick with it
Beadlemaniacs - Award winning* college basketball blog
You know you like college hockey
Stealing this from KUSports message board, again:

"Not to be cliché or anything, but I’m Jayhawk born and Jayhawk bred and when I die I’ll be Jayhawk dead." - Ovechwin
That's just what they had.
It serves its purpose, though.
"Not to be cliché or anything, but I’m Jayhawk born and Jayhawk bred and when I die I’ll be Jayhawk dead." - Ovechwin
by Andy Edwards on Jan 30, 2010 11:54 PM CST up reply actions
Also from KUSports message board:

"Not to be cliché or anything, but I’m Jayhawk born and Jayhawk bred and when I die I’ll be Jayhawk dead." - Ovechwin
by Andy Edwards on Jan 30, 2010 11:54 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Alright folks
I am going to take a 2ish hour nap. See you all in 2.5 hours for the Aussie Open final liveblog
Beadlemaniacs - Award winning* college basketball blog
You know you like college hockey
I'll be there.
"Not to be cliché or anything, but I’m Jayhawk born and Jayhawk bred and when I die I’ll be Jayhawk dead." - Ovechwin
by Andy Edwards on Jan 31, 2010 12:00 AM CST up reply actions
A few thoughts
I don’t really have a whole lot to say about the game because I think you guys covered anything I might have added in.
I decided to read through some of the BOC thread and a few things compelled me to sign in and comment.
Anybody else find it amusing the thread ended at 666 comments?
The hatred for Aldrich is kind of…uncomfortable. I understand hating opposing team’s better players because they bitch slap you on a regular basis (in Denis Clemente’s case, I mean this literally). It’s just the level of hatred EVERYONE seems to have for him over there (RMN, too) is extreme. I wish there was a “Hating KU For Dummies” book somewhere that I could read so I might understand what the deal is. Apparently they feel anything he does is a foul and he gets away with murder in every game. I’m not going to say Aldrich doesn’t have some leeway given to him but the EXTREME bias everyone has towards his every move being illegal is insane. If they saw the same EXACT plays happening in a game between La Salle and Temple, would they be crying all over the place? Come on. Learn the fucking game.
If I wasn’t over the internet’s fucking fascination with kittens before reading through that thread, I am now. Holy shit. The internet is DYING for some original content but Pan over there seems perfectly content with recycling old pictures with new ‘captions’. Oh so clever, you are!
The guys over at BOC suffer from the most severe case of little brother syndrome I have ever seen. WE GET IT. You want to be loved, told you’re special, and be given the awesome wagon for Christmas for once. I’ve got old news for you, guys. You. Can’t. Fucking. Have. It.
And finally, to KSU fans everywhere. We understand you hate us because we’re better than you and we know it. We really get it. We don’t feel for you, because fuck you lol, but we get it. We also understand you’re new at this winning thing but you’ve been losing long enough that you oughta know how to do it with some class by now. Accept your handshake and we’ll see you in Lawrence.
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by A.J. Haefele on Jan 31, 2010 7:03 AM CST reply actions 5 recs
I may <3 Sherron Collins a whole hell of a lot,
but damn it, Slam – you are a close fucking second.
Please come back to us.
"Not to be cliché or anything, but I’m Jayhawk born and Jayhawk bred and when I die I’ll be Jayhawk dead." - Ovechwin
by Andy Edwards on Jan 31, 2010 11:11 AM CST up reply actions
Any pics of Pullen vomiting??
I have been trying to find one, but no success.
Would look great with the caption “EMAW”


















