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Quick Turnaround: Missouri Tigers

Who could ever forget the brilliant John Brown poster made by a group of students last year for the beatdown revenge game in Lawrence?

Who could ever forget the brilliant John Brown poster made by a group of students last year for the beatdown revenge game in Lawrence?

This is Rivalry Week (Two Days).  While this is a big game for special reasons (most hated rivalry), it also is the first game of an emotional back to back stretch of rivalry games, concluding with Kansas State just five days later.  Nothing short of the Jayhawks' highest intensity and focus will suffice this week.  Both teams are worthy opponents and could each walk away with victory.  We'll talk much, much more about K-State in the upcoming days, of course, so for now, let's worry about the bad guys from Columbia.  We have great reason to worry, by the way.

As recent as five minutes ago, I didn't know what to make of this year's Missouri basketball team.  I've watched them play as much as I could this year, listened to them discussed on the radio everyday, had discussions with Missouri fan-friends and read Rock M Nation every single day for the last month.  I've yet to figure them out.

This is what I do know for sure: they're not as good as they were last year, but are still very dangerous.  Having lost Demarre Carroll and Leo Lyons would be your main reason why.  Most people can see that.  However, their guard play is even better than last year - returning everybody: Zaire Taylor, Kim English, J.T. Tiller and Marcus Denmon, while adding an instant impact freshman in Michael Dixon.  As far as the inside work goes, there isn't as much depth.

So, how do the two teams compare as far as where the production comes from?

Backcourt Comparison

Kansas - Sherron Collins, Brady Morningstar, Xavier Henry, Tyshawn Taylor, Tyrel Reed and Elijah Johnson
Missouri - Zaire Taylor, Kim English, J.T. Tiller, Marcus Denmon, Michael Dixon and Miguel Paul

Kansas Missouri
PPG 50.0 55.5
RPG
14.0 14.6
SPG 6.5 8.2

Star-divide

Frontcourt Comparison

Kansas - Cole Aldrich, Marcus Morris, Markieff Morris, Thomas Robinson and Jeff Withey
Missouri - Laurence Bowers, Justin Safford, Keith Ramsey, Steve Moore and John Underwood

Kansas Missouri
PPG 36.6 26.9
RPG
26.2 19.5
BPG 6.0 4.7

 

Missouri's backcourt slightly more productive scoring-wise, a lot more aggressive defensively.  As if you probably couldn't have figured that out yourself, even before the numbers were laid out.  Obviously, Missouri's style of play dictates that their guards must outplay the opponents' and make up for a lack of elite frontcourt play.  Tiller was co-Big 12 Defensive Player of the Year last year along with Cole, so look for him to try to lock up Sherron all night and prevent penetration.  It is more than likely that two of the five primary guards will have strong games offensively.  The odds are just in their favor with so many options.  The key will be to frustrate and prevent a third or fourth guard from making a real impact, too.  All but Tiller shoot the three often and well, so I'd prefer to let him do the scoring rather than English or Denmon.

How much of the game can be slowed down and the frontcourt involved will go a long way in determining who wins.  More bodies, more size, more versatility.  That's what the Kansas frontline has in comparison to that of Missouri.  Safford can step out and shoot, but does so wildly at times.  The thing that could help the Jayhawks most early on could be, once again, working the low post early and often and drawing a couple early fouls on either Bowers or Ramsey.  Once you get past those two, there isn't much to prevent Cole or a twin from tearing down the rim every trip down the court.  Kansas obviously has the rebounding advantage, but obviously that only matters when you're missing shots.  So, don't miss often and you're in good shape.

Record: 15-4 (3-1)

Best Win(s): Illinois, Kansas State, @Texas Tech

Worst Loss(es): Richmond, @Oral Robets, @Oklahoma

 

Informative Missouri Links

KenPom Page

StatSheet Page

Kansas State @ Missouri Recap

Missouri @ Texas Tech Recap

Misouri @ Oklahoma Recap

Nebraska @ Missouri Recap

From their Yahoo! team page:

Player Rotation:   Usual Starters—F Keith Ramsey, F Justin Safford, G Zaire Taylor, G Kim English, G J.T. Tiller. Key Subs—F Laurence Bowers, G Marcus Denmon, F Steve Moore, G Michael Dixon.

 

Against Common Opponents

Kansas - @Nebraska: W, 84-72; Texas Tech: W, 89-63
Missouri - Nebraska: W, 70-53; @Texas Tech: W, 94-89 OT

 

 

Warden's+/- Average per Game

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Mike Anderson
TeamYearsRecord
Missouri 2006-2010 76-38 (66.7%)
UAB 2002-2006 89-41 (68.5%)

Overall:   2 teams, 8 seasons, 165-79 (67.6%)
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the more reason I have to believe that Missouri is highly underrated at this point. They’ve struggled away from Columbia but if they ever put that together they will be deadly.

Obvious advantage for Kansas is with the bigs, but that primarily comes into play if Kansas can stay away from a completely hectic up and down pace. Should be a good one.

52 Conference Championships!! Holy Hell...Good Luck with That!!

by Owen Kemp on Jan 24, 2010 1:20 PM CST reply actions  

I think

Keeping the missouri guards out of the lane will be big, if they are going to beat us, make them beat us from the outside hitting threes.

Also get Cole and Marcus some touches early, and take care of the flipping basketball. The difference between us blowing them out at home and losing a late lead in the two games last year was turnovers and offensive execution, plain and simple.

I’m not ready to lose the nation’s longest home-court winning streak to Missery. Rock Chalk

by KU Grad 08 on Jan 24, 2010 3:37 PM CST reply actions  

It should be interesting to see MU's early strategy

NU packed the paint on Saturday, so the MU guards settled for a barrage of threes. Five minutes into the game, MU was on pace to put up 56 3-point attempts. Considering they’re shooting about 30-35% from 3 lately, it wasn’t exactly the best option.

The guards really do need to get into the lane more, but Kansas is arguably the LAST team Mizzou would have any success against inside.

by RPT on Jan 25, 2010 9:08 AM CST up reply actions  

Parallel in KSU-UT game?

“Kansas is arguably the LAST team Mizzou would have any success against inside.”

Replace a couple words:

“Texas is arguably the LAST team K-State would have any success against inside.”

Of course, KSU ended up dominating Texas on the inside. Maybe Texas was so focused on shutting down K-State’s usually dangerous guards that they neglected their bigs? Could something like that happen with Kansas-Mizzou?

by giantslor on Jan 25, 2010 11:07 AM CST up reply actions  

no

because K State has success inside against everyone.

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by fetch9 on Jan 25, 2010 11:21 AM CST up reply actions  

Just going by memory but...

I seem to recall that MU hasn’t really played their normal full-court pressure, 40 minutes of hell (I know it’s not called that anymore) style when playing in Lawrence. Anderson has seemed to play it a little more conservatively when he brings his team to Allen Fieldhouse. If you remember they’ve played a lot of matchup zone in Lawrence.

Does that mean we should expect to see zone defense Monday night and minimal full-court pressure? Probably not, but keep an eye out for it. Given Mizzou’s depth at guard, I think they should do what they do best – full-court, trapping defense.

If Mizzou does play zone, it is important that a guard besides Collins penetrate the zone with the dribble. Some KU fans were wondering why Collins played 38 minutes against Baylor. A big reason for that was that he was the only KU ball-handler that showed he was willing and capable of beating Baylor’s zone with the dribble.

by KU_Lew on Jan 24, 2010 7:23 PM CST reply actions  

I love this comment.

lol can't have a CKC without KC - Nicholai Khabibulin (LN21)

by Andy Edwards on Jan 25, 2010 10:48 AM CST up reply actions  

Great write up KC, got me pumped

Well I think we win the game because it’s in Lawrence. They key off their crowd and so March 3rd, I will be very nervous for a loss, but I’ve seen a lot of KU vs. Missouri games in Lawrence and this just feels like one where we could roll rivalry standards, 10 points or so). They will stay in the game until 10 or so minutes left because they are a good team, but then we just out talent and home court them.

That’s my confident side in this team. The one thing that rolls into my mind is a Cornell like game where no one can score besides Sherron and then Missouri starts thinking about the fact that they could end the nation’s longest winning streak at Allen and then take that streak over. That scares me. In the end, I still think we don’t struggle too hard with them. Good, hard Big 12 game, though.

by I need more Esteban on Jan 24, 2010 11:19 PM CST reply actions  

BTW...

KC or Denver, you need to update our Conference Record on the right column of the front page. We’re not 0-0 anymore.

"Here are our top priorities: recruit, beat Missouri, recruit, win the North, recruit, win the Big 12, and in most cases if you win the Big 12 then you're playing for a National Championship. And then we're going to recruit."

by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Jan 24, 2010 11:39 PM CST reply actions  

That one's on Denver...

I don’t have access to that stuff. I did, however, think it updated automatically.

lol can't have a CKC without KC - Nicholai Khabibulin (LN21)

by Andy Edwards on Jan 24, 2010 11:43 PM CST up reply actions  

should be automatic...

I’ll look into it

52 Conference Championships!! Holy Hell...Good Luck with That!!

by Owen Kemp on Jan 25, 2010 7:05 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah,

from a Mizzou POV, that’s about the only bad thing about this rivalry. Go uh… not… free…. state :(

Glory glory Man United, AND the other MU, AAAAnd the Leafs. I think I need a drink now.

by Wan Ihite on Jan 25, 2010 9:40 AM CST up reply actions  

And wouldn't you know it

First day of classes tomorrow, and my last class starts right when the game does.

Insanity is just a state of mind.

by KTJ on Jan 25, 2010 1:48 AM CST reply actions  

Um, first day is syllabus day.

No need to go to that class.

lol can't have a CKC without KC - Nicholai Khabibulin (LN21)

by Andy Edwards on Jan 25, 2010 2:59 AM CST up reply actions  

Hope it's a good game, Good Luck Jayhawks!

Fellow Rock M Nation Member. Go Tigers!

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by tigr on Jan 25, 2010 7:48 AM CST reply actions  

Same to you, rivalry aside…Rock M Nation is one of the groups I really enjoy checking in on. Great blog, great fans.

52 Conference Championships!! Holy Hell...Good Luck with That!!

by Owen Kemp on Jan 25, 2010 8:37 AM CST up reply actions  

Oh and even though John Brown was one crazy son of a bitch,

that picture is now the background on my computer at school.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

by Warden11 on Jan 25, 2010 11:02 AM CST reply actions  

I’d say his methods were crazy, his intentions weren’t. And when there’s basically a full scale war going on in Kansas/Missouri that is largely unorganized and brutal, you can somewhat understand his decision to create a militia and arm it. Really he was a brutal man from a brutal environment. You can’t come to Lawrence, burn it to the ground, kill men, rape women and children, etc., and not expect some crazy consequences to result. Of course, I’m clearly biased on this.

I still think there’s a very good movie that could be made about his life. Really hasn’t been a good Civil War Era movie in a while.

"Here are our top priorities: recruit, beat Missouri, recruit, win the North, recruit, win the Big 12, and in most cases if you win the Big 12 then you're playing for a National Championship. And then we're going to recruit."

by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Jan 25, 2010 12:28 PM CST up reply actions  

No, being an abolitionist wasn't crazy.

Pottawatomie Massacre and other actions qualify as crazy.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

by Warden11 on Jan 25, 2010 12:44 PM CST up reply actions  

That is one great picture.

Gotta love the students, also creators of the “Phog” banner. Makes this old guy feel all the more proud. It is great to have those opps to enlighten my wife, who had the misfortune of growing up to the north. Fortunately, she’s been redeemed :-)

by dagger108 on Jan 25, 2010 1:39 PM CST up reply actions  

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