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Sherron and Marcus Combine for 50, Kansas Holds Off Baylor, 81-75

Vegas had no idea.  Coming into tonight, the Vegas line was set at 16.5 points.  For a game that never got anywhere close to that spread, I never got too worried.  A bit worried, yes.  But, not to the point of saying, "we're going to lose."  It was said on Monday and in every thread leading up to this game - Baylor is good, and it will not be an easy game.  Not many people (myself included) had seen much of the Bears to this point this year, but after watching the Jayhawks struggle to put them away, even after extending to a ten point lead with about six minutes to go, they have to be considered the fourth best team in the Big 12.  Sure, Kansas didn't play to their potential, but a lot of that can be attributed to the talent of Baylor.

Player of the Game:  Sherron Collins - 28 points, 1 rebound, 4 assists, 9-16 field goals, 5-9 three point field goals, 5-6 free throws.  More of an efficiency and a "get your money's worth" award than anything.  The 28 points were obviously tops on the team, but the fashion in which he got them made him the key, once again.  Five-for-nine from three - it's just not supposed to be that easy.  It's going to be a sad, sad day when Mr. Collins is no longer wearing a Kansas-emblazened uniform.

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What Went Right

A legitimate second option has emerged on offense.  We all know that Sherron Collins is a bad dude, and can put the team on his back and will them to win.  We've seen it.  Too many times, probably.  Regardless, he needs a running mate.  Well, a 6'9" bruiser with the ability to go outside and run that has averaged 20.3 points per game over the last three games might fit the bill.  Marcus Morris has (at least for the time being) supplanted Cole Aldrich as the number two option on the offensive end.  He has reverted back to his ways of early non-con play after a brief hiatus back to his freshman year. (six points in two games vs. Tennessee and Cornell)  He has even learned to shoot free throws, apparently, going six-for-seven against Baylor, including two important ones in the final two minutes.

Baylor frontline tripod held to 19 points.  Early and often foul trouble was the reason for much of this.  Cole and the Morris twins did a good job of being aggressive offensively and drawing early fouls.  7-footer Josh Lomers had three fouls in the first half and only managed to stay on the court for fourteen minutes all night.  He never took a shot.  Ekpe Udoh is a darn good player.  He showed flashes of just how good he will likely be next year, but with Lomers out much of the game, he drew Cole defensively and, well, we all know what that usually means.

Xavier Henry channels Russell Robinson and Mario Chalmers.  If your shot isn't falling on the offensive end and you're not in rhythym with your teammates offensively, play hard defense.  That will keep you on the floor.  Xavier did just that.  He had seven steals and played much of the night against the taller Quincy Acy, holding him to ten points.  Granted, a few of those so-called "steals" came early on plays where Baylor guards got out of position and made bad judgment passes while in the air, right into the hands of the waiting Henry.  Still, you don't get those credited to yourself without being in the right place defensively.  Many kudos to him for continuing to play hard when his shot is still not dropping.  In due time, young grasshopper.

 

What Could Have Gone Better

Markieff Morris scores 4 points - that concludes your bench scoring report.  Part of that comes from Brady Morningstar being inserted into the starting lineup, taking his recent productivity from the bench scoring category to the starters' tally.  Still, he only scored five in Wednesday's game.  Head coach Bill Self simply needs more minutes in a game to play all of his pieces.  The games (not to mention confidence) of guys that are not receiving regular minutes are suffering.  This is, however, no fault of coach Self whatsoever. (Blame that Naismith guy who made up the game.)  It falls upon them to work harder in practice and do things right to earn more minutes.  That said, talented players will always be talented and are likely to shine when given the opportunity.

Light switch needs to stay on.  I don't know why they do it.  I don't really know how they do it, either.  I don't think they do.  But, they go through stretches where offensively the players on court look like they've never run an offensive set in their life.  Repetitive passes around the permieter and standing around have become far too much the norm.  Some of that could be attributed to Baylor's 1-3-1 zone being something rarely seen.  The only problem is that it wasn't just Wednesday.  It's been every game since the Cornell near-catastrophe.  Things seem to go smoother when Sherron takes his man off the dribble and dishes to Cole for an easy dunk or to the perimeter for a three.  Hmmm....

Xavier's shot continues to fall - off the face of the Earth.  Is it confidence?  Is it mechanics?  Is it a mental block?  Whatever it is, it would be great to get over it in a hurry.  I said in the Open Game Thread that it looks like he has a severe "hitch" in his shooting motion.  Maybe I'm right.  Maybe I have no idea what I'm talking about and that's why I'm not playing Division 1 basketball, and am instead writing about it.  All I know is that he needs to regain his sweet shooting stroke from early non-con play.  It was nice back in the day when Sherron wasn't relied upon so much to score, score, score - which now seems a decade ago.  A lot of how far Kansas goes in the tournament rides on him.  As we saw last year, a good one-two combo can only take you so far.  You need that third scoring option.  He would be the best at it.  After all, scoring was the reputation that preceded him. 

 

Just For The Record

I may have been way off base after the Texas Tech game with my assessment of Tyshawn Taylor:

Tyshawn Taylor is going to be just fine.  I have thought about it ever since this comment on Thursday afternoon.  It cannot be said any better than that.  It only makes Tyshawn's comments from earlier this week make more sense.  Come this time next year when Taylor is looking like an all-conference point guard, people will be saying, "he finally gets it."  But, I will be telling them, "he got it all along; he just needed his chance to shine."  And, shine he will.

He ended up playing fifteen minutes in all, but the vast majority (as in twelve or thirteen) of them came all in the second half.  Either he isn't practicing hard or his poor play of late has landed him in the doghouse.  If it's the former, you can count on not seeing him much in the near future.  Hopefully, it's the second and (once again) he "learns" from a short benching and gets it going.  For someone who became the de facto third option last year late in the season, he has fallen quite a long way.

 

Random Musings from the Boxscore

  • Cole took seven shots from the field - keeping in tact his ascending shot total, which will assuredly culminate in him having a 40 point game by the end of the year.
  • Marcus Morris fouled out.  I didn't even know.
  • Zero blocks.  That is quite strange.  Cole hadn't even had a game all year without a block - himself.  For the entire team to go block-less is surprising as much as they were superior inside.
  • Tyshawn had five assists in fifteen minutes.  Zero turnovers.  Now I feel stupid for questioning him just above.  Who gets him?
  • 52.1 percent is above 50 percent.  The streak ends.  But, not the one that counts - 53 straight home court wins.

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good points, KG

I just don’t understand why EJ or CJ aren’t getting opportunities to play significant minutes. CJ came for a minute or two last night, but then, just as quick, he was back on the bench. Heck, put either of them in at the 1, have Sherron not bring the ball up every possession, and let him get himself open. Slide Brady over to the 3 to keep him on the court and give X some breathing room.

by DCJayhawk0208 on Jan 21, 2010 8:26 AM CST up reply actions  

agreed with both

need to rest Sherron and give minutes to subs in the games where the team has breathing room. no real problem though with playing him 40 against a good team where the game is close throughout.

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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jan 21, 2010 11:46 AM CST up reply actions  

I dunno

KU put away the Nebraska and TTech games with Collins and Aldrich on the bench. Our supporting cast has shown signs at times that it can produce, it just needs to be 3,000 times more consistent.

by KU Grad 08 on Jan 21, 2010 9:03 AM CST up reply actions  

rec'd

lacedarius is sweet. the way he gets his own shot he can totally be a successful pro

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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jan 21, 2010 11:44 AM CST up reply actions  

Ha

The women I watched the game with were actually much better than that. They love to point out how Brady looks like Doug Funnie, and how sexy Sherron looks when he gets pissed, and how stupid a name “Tweety” is.

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by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Jan 21, 2010 1:56 PM CST up reply actions  

My thoughts:

Tyshawn could learn something from his fellow sophomore Marcus Morris. When Marcus got benched he got mad (good mad) and has come out and just murdered the past three games. Tyshawn gets benched and gets mad (bad mad) and is slowly turning into a locker room cancer. Good example of where those two’s heads are at.

Baylor is a good team and should likely make a push to make the tourny despite sitting at 2-2 (wouldn’t be surprised if they take one of two against Tejas and beat KSU). I’m glad we’ve had some toight end-of-the-game-step-yo-game-up-or-lose situations, but enough is enough. Now its time to start Rock Chalkin all over dudes.

by KU Grad 08 on Jan 21, 2010 9:02 AM CST reply actions  

Agreed.

On everything…will be interesting to see what comes of the T2 situation.

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by Warden11 on Jan 21, 2010 9:06 AM CST up reply actions  

just don't get T2

I understand that he envisioned things differently during his recruitment (being a star and clear #1 PG at Marquette under Crean), but he has to realize what his role his and where he is now.

There have been a lot of comparisons between him and RussRob (at least where T2 could get to), and it’s such a perfect comparison. If you don’t let them score, don’t let them penetrate, stay in the passing lanes and focus on getting the ball loose as the ball handler gets frustrated and makes a mistake (bringing it around to his front, holding it on his side waiting to make the pass), you’re going to get a LOT of steals, which will lead to points and assists.

I just hope he gets it by the time March rolls around.

by DCJayhawk0208 on Jan 21, 2010 10:54 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm getting a little more worried

about our loss of focus/intensity for stretches in games. There are true flashes of dominance followed by complete “thumb up your butt” watching the game pass you by lapses.

A perfect example is the10 point lead in the second half. That was slowly built from the 13:30 to 6:15. It wasn’t a flurry of scoring, it was built with solid defense, a couple of steals, good rebounding. That stretch saw KU with 0 TO, 2 Steals, 4 OR, 3 DR. Good focus, good ball movement. Completely outworking Baylor (4 TO, 0 Steals, 1 OR, 3 DR).

Then from 6:00 to 3:00 mark they just let the game pass them by, starting with a bad inbounds pass from X to Tyshawn and a poor reffing that put Baylor on the line for 2. During the next 2 minutes Baylor scores 10 points, KU puts the ball in Cole’s hands 2 times while settling for three 3’s (which all miss). Very poor player movement during that stretch, poor box outs, poor transition defense leading to a couple of easy Baylor buckets.

Around 2 minutes KU ‘wakes up’ again out rebounding Baylor 7 to 2 to finally hang on to the game — and the 2 Baylor rebounds came during the last 10 seconds of the game.

There is absolutely no excuse for not getting the ball to Cole or another big on EVERY possession. No excuse for just perimeter passing and not flashing to the ball. No excuse for standing around on offense, NONE.

As I re-watched these last minutes of this game, it made me realize that the lack of intensity isn’t as much on the defensive end, but it’s a lack of hustle and work on the offensive end (and some poor/unlucky shooting). This actually makes me feel better about our prospects. X should pull out of his funk at some point. Markief has offensive room to grow, Cole’s shots (bunnies) will start dropping.

by MichiganJayHawk on Jan 21, 2010 9:07 AM CST reply actions  

exactly

pound it down low, draw fouls. Getting to the line in itself isn’t a huge deal, but getting other team’s bigs in foul trouble is

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by fetch9 on Jan 21, 2010 10:19 AM CST up reply actions  

Lack of movement

During that stretch when Baylor cut the lead from 10 to 0, we began running a spread. We started running clock way too early last night and got away from the offense that got us the lead to begin with. This led to deep 3’s being shot and long rebounds for Baylor. And not much can ignite a fastbreak quicker than a long rebound.

by Triston27 on Jan 21, 2010 9:53 AM CST up reply actions  

Xavier

I’m still really worried about his game. I get more worried with each passing outing. Ugh.

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by pblack on Jan 21, 2010 9:08 AM CST reply actions  

Looking at the Big XII standings, I can see no less that 8 Big XII teams making the tournament.

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by 49er16 on Jan 21, 2010 10:20 AM CST reply actions  

eh...

I think things sort out over the conference season and we get 6…8 would be incredible for the league though.

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by Owen Kemp on Jan 21, 2010 10:31 AM CST up reply actions  

Also, notice that

there’s only one still undefeated team in Big 12 play. Granted, a few teams have played four games, but yes. Only team without a loss.

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by Andy Edwards on Jan 21, 2010 10:32 AM CST up reply actions  

What I didn't understand

is why in the 2nd half when they had 3 big men with 4 fouls did we not:

a) Feed Cole every possession

or

b) Look to drive every time Cole was covered

We could have had 2 BU players foul out with 10 minutes left in the game but we stopped playing inside and started to settle for the outside shot.

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by labbadabba on Jan 21, 2010 10:59 AM CST reply actions  

+1

and that’s when we slowed it down & gave a way our 10 point lead.

by MichiganJayHawk on Jan 21, 2010 11:13 AM CST up reply actions  

Haha if you look through the OGT

You will see me posting this every 2 minutes. It really was mind blowing we didn’t feed the post or run high low with Marcus/Cole with the way Marcus was scoring and drawing fouls

by KU Grad 08 on Jan 21, 2010 11:59 AM CST up reply actions  

Just like to point out

I have three rec’d comments on this thread. Don’t act like you don’t know.

by KU Grad 08 on Jan 21, 2010 2:39 PM CST reply actions  

this is just too funny...

considering what I have going up in an hour or so. You’re already proving me wrong and you don’t even know it yet.

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by Owen Kemp on Jan 21, 2010 2:42 PM CST up reply actions  

What is it?

The suspense is killing me!

by KU Grad 08 on Jan 21, 2010 2:49 PM CST up reply actions  

you'll see...just a little afternoon fun, not to big a deal...

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by Owen Kemp on Jan 21, 2010 2:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Best be soon

I’m growing bored and irritable with these mind games they aren’t fair to me, the RCT community, and most of all me

by KU Grad 08 on Jan 21, 2010 2:56 PM CST up reply actions  

and especially you

and also mostly you

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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jan 22, 2010 1:42 PM CST up reply actions  

no blocks

unless you count the 2 (?) times that Brady took the ball away from his man while he was going up for his shot.

Along those lines, IMO Brady needs to be mentioned in the “What Went Right” section. He even had a sweet drive leading to an assist on a wide open 3, and a 3 of his own. That being said, it would be nice if he and some others could step up with a few more measurables.

by dagger108 on Jan 21, 2010 3:25 PM CST reply actions  

TT 5/0 A/TO

That is good to know. I only saw his attempted 3 way to early in one possesion.

That being said, I’m wondering about the “cancer” comment. It did seem a bit peculiar to not see him earlier in the game, but who knows. To some extent I anticipated TT being less of an isue against Baylor and their zone, since it would seem that we would need more reliable outside shooting than TT provides – example of UT sagging off him daring him to shoot 3’s.

by dagger108 on Jan 21, 2010 3:31 PM CST reply actions  

CJ

I think Coach yearns for the opp to use CJ consistently. It just seems to me that CJ lacks the intensity needed to help this team play at the elite level.

It almost makes me wonder if it has rubbed off on X as well. Are they really hungry enough to be elite winners? Are they content to be (future) millionaires? Millions are nice, and there aren’t many that would scoff at it, and the NBA may be the dream. It would just be a shame for them and the others to not be champions when the opp is there. The question, as with so many, is are they hungry enough to be a champion.

by dagger108 on Jan 21, 2010 3:39 PM CST reply actions  

Is he?

No clue on his signing bonus…but I’d think his “failure” at baseball would lead him to be more mature and be able to step up and contribute more to this team.

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by Warden11 on Jan 21, 2010 8:48 PM CST up reply actions  

well I don't know for sure

but 1st round pick + guy who had college scholarship waiting for him = millionaire. Those guys get paid many multiples more than similar players with no scholarship/pro career to buy them out of. See: Andrew Brackman and Jeff Samardzija

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by fetch9 on Jan 21, 2010 10:53 PM CST up reply actions  

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