KU vs Corn: Plus/Minus
by Warden11 on Jan 14, 2010 11:31 AM CST
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This team may not be falling apart! Tyshawn might have figured out his role. Sherron's the man once again and a Morris wakes up to play a great game. As most people in the game thread will concede, this was far from a dominant performance. Nebraska shooting out of their minds in the first half had a lot to do with that but some sluggish rotations on defense also likely played a factor. Don't forget, KU also shot amazingly well as a team last night from beyond the arc finishing 13-21. What does the Plus/Minus say?
I made one tweak to the formula for this game (still a work in progress here). Instead of subtracting all free throw attempts, I only subtracted the misses. Can't really count a foul against our players as a negative and then punish them for also being fouled. I think this will also help Sherron's numbers quite a bit because he has been getting to the line and shooting a high percentage.
| Kansas | FGA | Miss FT | REB | AST | STL | BLK | TO | PF | PTS | Plus/Minus |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Thomas Robinson, F | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | -1 |
| Cole Aldrich, C | 4 | 2 | 9 | 1 | 1 | 3 | 2 | 4 | 6 | 8 |
| Sherron Collins, G | 11 | 0 | 2 | 5 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 1 | 22 | 15 |
| Tyshawn Taylor, G | 4 | 2 | 3 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 3 | 11 | 4 |
| Xavier Henry, G | 8 | 0 | 4 | 2 | 0 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 6 | 0 |
| Brady Morningstar, G | 2 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 4 | 6 |
| Tyrel Reed, G | 6 | 0 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 11 | 9 |
| Markieff Morris, F | 2 | 0 | 3 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 4 | 5 | 3 |
| Marcus Morris, F | 8 | 3 | 7 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 19 | 15 |
| Elijah Johnson, G | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | -1 |
| Totals | 45 | 7 | 30 | 18 | 4 | 6 | 13 | 19 | 84 | 58 |
| Nebraska | ||||||||||
| Brian Diaz, C | 10 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 4 | 15 | 4 |
| Ryan Anderson, G | 8 | 1 | 3 | 5 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 8 | 5 |
| Sek Henry, G | 6 | 1 | 4 | 2 | 0 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 9 | 4 |
| Eshaunte Jones, G | 13 | 0 | 3 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 2 | 12 | 0 |
| Lance Jeter, G | 3 | 2 | 2 | 8 | 2 | 0 | 3 | 4 | 2 | 2 |
| Brandon Richardson, G | 6 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 2 | 18 | 12 |
| Christian Standhardinger, F | 7 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 2 | 8 | -1 |
| Totals | 53 | 6 | 17 | 18 | 5 | 2 | 9 | 20 | 72 | 26 |
I'm actually surprised at the difference in the Plus/Minus for the two teams. Kansas outrebounded the Corn 30 to 17, so that's a +13. The Hawks scored 12 more points for a +12 and missed 8 fewer shots, sounds like a good recipe for success.
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Big Numba's for...
McMorris and Tyrel. Also glad to see the plus minus has Brady fairly high. He had a great game last night but it wasn’t big in the box score. Can we add floor burns??? Jerod Haase wants to know…
Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.
Brady's could be higher because I remember at least two loose balls he tipped to a teammate for a rebound.
Also a ball he knocked loose on defense that ended up in Cole’s hands and Cole gets credit for the steal.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
Pete Carroll's biggest problem in joining the NFL ranks? Obeying a salary cap...
15 for Sherron.
That’s more like it. I like talking all FTA out and only counting misses. Xavier definitely felt like he should have been a negative, though. Tyshawn only a 4 is kind of underwhelming, but I suppose he wasn’t THAT great.
The real question is, though – what is Relly’s sister’s rating?
lol can't have a CKC without KC - Nicholai Khabibulin (LN21)
Her rating is N/A.
As in, Mr. Stuckey will bring down the pain for even looking at her.
"Here are our top priorities: recruit, beat Missouri, recruit, win the North, recruit, win the Big 12, and in most cases if you win the Big 12 then you're playing for a National Championship. And then we're going to recruit."
by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Jan 14, 2010 3:04 PM CST up reply actions
may or may not have done some scouting
not as big of a fan as I initially was
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meh
She’s cute: http://www.kansan.com/photos/2008/feb/27/1739/
she has that girl next door appeal. I missed it last night, I guess…
Turner Gill is introduced to the Kansas Athletic dept:
Gill, I'm Bill and this is Phil. Gill, I'm Phil and this is Jill. Gill, I'm Jill, you know Bill, Phil...
ugh,
link fail.
Turner Gill is introduced to the Kansas Athletic dept:
Gill, I'm Bill and this is Phil. Gill, I'm Phil and this is Jill. Gill, I'm Jill, you know Bill, Phil...
Morri numbers
are going to suffer with counting missed free throws. Those two are AWFUL at the line. They shoot flat, hard and without rotation. They look like Shaq, kinda.
lol can't have a CKC without KC - Nicholai Khabibulin (LN21)
Just without the NBA HOF caliber talent.
lol can't have a CKC without KC - Nicholai Khabibulin (LN21)
by Andy Edwards on Jan 14, 2010 10:21 AM CST up reply actions
Maybe flatter than you'd like...
but I’m just as confident with them at the line as I am Tyshawn (though he’s been better of late). Quick glance at the stats looks a tad worse than I’d hoped, but not bad:
Marcus: 45-65 for 69.2%
Markieff: 22-33 for 66.7%
by hiphopopotamus on Jan 14, 2010 12:16 PM CST up reply actions
Shooting 70% from the line for a big man is pretty solid
Look at our big men of past.
Moody – lost MU game for us.
JuJu – Jesus.
Kaun – Why
Arthur – bad for being a decent shooter
Jackson – Solid but could be erratic.
Etc.
by Andrew Clark on Jan 14, 2010 5:24 PM CST up reply actions
and we're spoiled a little bit by having Cole beig such a good FT shooter for a big man
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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jan 15, 2010 11:09 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah last year he was lights out
dropped off a little this year but still pretty solid for a really tall dude. Then again his outside jump shots pretty consistant so I assumed he would be decent from the charity stripe.
But we all know what happens when you assume
by Andrew Clark on Jan 15, 2010 11:48 AM CST up reply actions
I’m actually surprised at the difference in the Plus/Minus for the two teams. Kansas outrebounded the Corn 30 to 17, so that’s a +13. The Hawks scored 12 more points for a +12 and missed 8 fewer shots, sounds like a good recipe for success.
I wonder what the numbers would have looked like at half. Their shooting fell off FAST in the second half (just like I said it would) and that was game.
lol can't have a CKC without KC - Nicholai Khabibulin (LN21)
that was my first thought..
this couldn’t have broken down as positive through the half.
Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.
I think statsheet breaks it down by half?
I’ll check and if I can find the stats broken down by half, I’ll make an edit.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
Pete Carroll's biggest problem in joining the NFL ranks? Obeying a salary cap...
sweet
Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.
Haven't found anything broken down by half, did find some other problems.
Editing now…
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
Pete Carroll's biggest problem in joining the NFL ranks? Obeying a salary cap...
Nevermind, ran the numbers again and they seem to be correct.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
Pete Carroll's biggest problem in joining the NFL ranks? Obeying a salary cap...
Marcus playing like that was a huge part of the excitement from the early part of the season.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
Pete Carroll's biggest problem in joining the NFL ranks? Obeying a salary cap...
he was reading his press clippings...
specifically KC’s article and lost his focus. He clearly thought he’d hit the big time after seeing that on RCT.
Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.
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Football team must have gotten wind of all the praise before the season, too.
lol can't have a CKC without KC - Nicholai Khabibulin (LN21)
by Andy Edwards on Jan 14, 2010 10:39 AM CST up reply actions
I'll be more critical next year
Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.
Rivet was mean...
Turner Gill is introduced to the Kansas Athletic dept:
Gill, I'm Bill and this is Phil. Gill, I'm Phil and this is Jill. Gill, I'm Jill, you know Bill, Phil...
good analysis
And I agree with subtracting just the free throw misses. I was wondeering though if you could add a column for +/- per minute, so you can see a measure of effectiveness in a more controlled form – basically it’d be an easier way to compare effects
by 2.1 seconds left on Jan 14, 2010 1:47 PM CST via mobile reply actions
not per minute
per possession. I’m going to (maybe) try to see if I can tweak Warden’s formula a bit to see if I can make it tempo free
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tempo free would be great if I wanted to compare this across teams everywhere,
but I’m only going to do it for KU and their opponents. KU plays a pretty consistent pace, so I’m not too worried about it. But have at it, I wouldn’t mind seeing it that way.
Also on the per minute thing, next time I’ll leave the minutes played in the table.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
Pete Carroll's biggest problem in joining the NFL ranks? Obeying a salary cap...
I would just like to reiterate something I noted last night:
Christian Standhardinger sucks. Remember the last foreigner they tried to hype for Nebraska basketball? Macic or whatever? Yeah, we exposed his ass too.
Also, I think Franklin might be sexually attracted to him.
"Here are our top priorities: recruit, beat Missouri, recruit, win the North, recruit, win the Big 12, and in most cases if you win the Big 12 then you're playing for a National Championship. And then we're going to recruit."
by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Jan 14, 2010 3:00 PM CST reply actions
seriously...
Standhardinger was the most over hyped guy I’ve ever seen. Guy sucks…and he appears to think fairly highly of himself as well.
Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.
I'm once thought about making a recruiting video of myself
I was gonna change my legal name to Andreas Clarkovich and hype myself as a raw european three point expert. See if it works.
I also declared for the NBA draft my sophomore year in college. Thinking about declaring again, maybe the Star will run a story on me if news is slow.
“Former KU student has NBA Dreams”
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by Andrew Clark on Jan 14, 2010 5:26 PM CST up reply actions
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