Get Ready for a Battle in the North

Non conference schedules are now complete across the Big 12 and while it can be difficult to make predictions based on how bad teams beat opponents from the Sun Belt, the Wac and Conference USA, things look like they could be much trickier for Kansas in winning the North than many might have first expected.
As expected there are three contenders and after 4 games I have to believe that all three based on scheduling down the stretch have a very real shot. I'd go so far as to say that Kansas may face the toughest road down the stretch with Missouri and Nebraska VERY deserving of being in the conversation. Still, it's there for the taking if Kansas makes the next step forward in this program's evolution.
First up there is Nebraska. The Huskers are 3-1 with the one loss coming to the current #6 team in the country in Virginia Tech on the road. During that loss the Huskers line play was fairly impressive. They also were effectively running the ball against the Hokies surpassing 200 yards on the ground as a team. Where the Huskers stumbled was in their passing game where the Hokies rank #7 in the country defensively. #7 in the country against the pass after playing Alabama, Nebraska and Miami so that's a pretty legit ranking.
With that in mind the Nebraska schedule breaks out as follows.
@Missouri, Texas Tech, Iowa State, @Baylor, Oklahoma, @Kansas, Kansas State and @Colorado.
Now let's assume for Kansas to have any shot at winning the North they will have to take care of the Huskers at home. For that reason, @Kansas is a loss for the Huskers. By no means is that an easy one, but for the sake of argument in this instance Kansas will have to win that to win the North.
The bad news is that still doesn't asure Kansas the North by any stretch of the imagination. Looking at the schedule and penciling in Colorado, ISU and K-State as wins that leaves 4 more potential stumbling blocks for the Huskers. The game in Waco is now looking a little less dangerous for the Huskers so I'll pencil that one as a win to go along with Texas Tech at home although who knows with the Red Raiders. That leaves Nebraska at 4-1 with a game @Missouri and at home against Oklahoma. Assuming they lose one of those two that leaves Nebraska at a potential 6-2 in conference play with a worst case scenario of 5-3.
Moving on to Missouri. I've never bought into the notion that Missouri would not contend this year and while the opponents haven't been overly impressive, parts of Missouri have. Blaine Gabbert is good, and his arm strength can keep plays dangerous when other quarterbacks would simply have to throw it away or take a sack. Their running game has been curiously absent at times as has the defense, but I'm not overlooking the talent they do put on the field. The Tigers are young, but they are also talented.
Missouri's conference schedule breaks out as follows.
Nebraska, @Oklahoma State, Texas, Colorado, Baylor, @Kansas State, Iowa State, Kansas.
Again let's assume the Tigers lose to Kansas just like Nebraska because Kansas will have to win this head to head to win the North. Any Tiger fans reading this, I'm not assuming we win because I'm overly confident that we do, I'm assuming we win for the sake of the analysis and our chances at the North. Simply put, I think Kansas is going to have to beat Missouri to win the North.
Moving on, wins against Colorado, Kansas State and Iowa State make for a 3-1 record. Once again a Baylor team at home is less dangerous now than a week ago so pencil that one in as a win for the Tigers. Lastly I'll mark Texas as a loss because I think they are the cream of the crop in the Big 12 this year. That puts Missouri at 4-2 with @OSU and Nebraska to go. My opinion of Oklahoma State isn't nearly as high as it was early in the year so I do think that game in Stillwater is winnable for the Tigers. Throw in a win against Nebraska and we could be looking at a Missouri team who like the Huskers is 6-2 in conference play. This seems like slightly more of a stretch but certainly possible.
Ultimately if the scenario plays out where Missouri beats the Huskers and OSU, while the Huskers beat Oklahoma in Lincoln, then we could very easily see both these teams at 6-2. This would be a bad scenario for Kansas.
Which brings us to our Jayhawks. Schedule breaks down as follows.
Iowa State, @Colorado, Oklahoma, @Texas Tech, @Nebraska, Texas, Missouri.
We've already assumed a sweep of the North. Not because I'm an arrogant fan but it's realistically the only way we win the North barring a trip up by a good Husker or Tiger squad elsewhere on their schedule. I'm also going to assume a loss in Austin because again this is the best team in the Big 12 right now and it's going to be tough to come out of Austin with a win.
That leaves the Jayhawks needing to take one out of two against their remaining south opponents in Oklahoma or Texas Tech. If Kansas wins one of two and handles business in the North then they have the divisional championship. Stumble in both of those which is very much a possibility and Kansas could be looking at a 5-3 record, a sweep of the North and still possibly finishing either 2nd or 3rd depending on how the others shake out. What's more concerning is that this already assumes wins in two 50/50 games against the Huskers and Tigers which is far from a certainty.
If you're keeping score at home basically what this means is Kansas will need a 10-2 record, 6-2 in conference with a sweep of the north to feel reasonably secure in winning a divisional crown. That's a tall order and would be quite an accomplishment.
One thing is for certain whoever does come out of the North will have earned it. In reality Kansas is going to need some help. Even if Kansas takes care of business in the North they might need someone to go into Lincoln or Columbia and get a win when it isn't expected. That's certainly a possibility but life is a lot less stressful when you aren't hoping for things like that to happen.
I'm interested in everyone else's thoughts on this during our bye week. I've got a feeling it's going to be a wild 8 week ride so grab hold because things are about to get interesting, and it could be very likely that this thing won't be settled until Arrowhead.
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A tough road to hoe for sure
I don’t think Mizzou is going to make it to the KU game unscathed however. There are some big holes on that team. We might have a little more wiggle-room.
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by labbadabba on Sep 28, 2009 10:40 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree....
the 6-2 scenario for both MU and Nebraska would be worst case. I think it will be a tough game for Mizzou to come out of Stillwater with a win, but I do think they have it in them.
I guess if it’s me, I’m almost rooting for the Huskers to win in Columbia. That means Mizzou probably finishes no better than 5-3. Then we get the Huskers at home which if we want to contend we need to be able to win that one.
Big circle around that Tech game now though, they seem to be in a bit of turmoil right now and a win there and a win over Nebraska at home and we could go into the last game of the year with a little less on the line which would be allright with me : )
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by Denverjhawk on Sep 28, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sickens me too...
but with Griffin going down, we have to root for Missouri over Nebraska simply because of scheduling.
by hiphopopotamus on Sep 28, 2009 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maturity
This team still has a lot of growing to do if they’re going to be 10-2 IMO. Like a lot of immature, talented players, they seem to show flashes, but the key is finding that consistency. Can our secondary play the right techniques and be in the right positions for every pass against Texas Tech? Will our young LBs fill the correct gaps for every run against Oklahoma? Can the young offensive line give Todd enough time on every pass play against Texas or Nebraska?
I guess we’ll find out.
by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Sep 28, 2009 11:13 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Exactly...
over the offseason I felt pretty good that a 5-3 record in conference 9-3 overall would win the North and was doable. We haven’t quite hit our stride in terms of my expectations, Missouri has been a tad better as has Nebraska is right around where I thought they’d be. Combine all three of those and it’s just a little more up in the air then before in my opinion.
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by Denverjhawk on Sep 28, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not going to happen
I’ve been following KU football since 1988, so I’m used to close-but-no-cigar heartbreaks. They define KU football, for the most part.
As such, I think KU will be 2nd in the Big XII….but will beat both NU and MU.
The plus side: we won’t have the opportunity of getting pounded by Texas twice this season.
The negative side: we won’t get a divisional championship.
Sawin' wood
by Rivethead on Sep 28, 2009 11:45 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That Colorado game scares me. Yeah, they suck, yeah we said the same thing last year, but we do have Oklahoma the next week, and I hope we aren’t caught looking ahead.
Other than that, losses to Oklahoma and Texas, sweep the North, and that’s a good season.
Why did we play OU, Texas and TT two years in a row? I thought it alternated every year.
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by giants9107 on Sep 28, 2009 2:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
alternates every two years...
Colorado makes me a little nervous as well
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by Denverjhawk on Sep 28, 2009 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
2 yr cycle (home and away)
OU was in Norman last year and at home this year.
Texas and TTech were at home last year and on the road this year.
by dagger108 on Sep 29, 2009 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m thinking the North winner will be 5-3 and goes to the championship based on head to head competition. If we lose a North game we will have to make it up against the South and I don’t see that happening away from home.
When does Nebraska or Missouri get UT, OU and TTU in the cycle?
by eastcoasthawk on Sep 28, 2009 3:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Never...
I believe it’s only Iowa State and Kansas that have all three on the same rotation. Nebraska for instance plays OU, Tech and Baylor this year…rotating to Texas, OSU and A&M next. Missouri has Texas, OSU, Baylor rotating to OU, Tech and A&M next. Bad luck on the draw for us right now, but we did benefit big time in 2007 from it.
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by Denverjhawk on Sep 28, 2009 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And next year as well
Plus we’ll have USM and GT on our non-con so no one can claim soft-scheduling on our part.
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by labbadabba on Sep 28, 2009 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not so sure the schedule switch next year will be quite as beneficial as in '07
we’ll be rebuilding in some key areas and Okie State and Baylor are improved programs from our last glimpse of them. Plus, how long can Texas A&M really struggle. Texas kids like to stay and play their football in Texas if they can so they have talent in College Station.
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by Denverjhawk on Sep 28, 2009 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed - But
I’d still rather play Okie St and aTm than OU and Texas.
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by labbadabba on Sep 29, 2009 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we'll be lucky to go 5-3
this team is inconsistent enough to lose at Colorado…probably not at K-State. mostly because of the schedule, I just think it will be very, very unlikely that we win against the south the way things stack up…and it wouldn’t at all surprise me to lose one of two against NU or MU…obviously I hope I’m wrong but the schedule is looking mighty tough.
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Sep 28, 2009 10:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Schedule is murderous.
We just need to step our game up. That was for Rockchalk.
by KU Grad 08 on Sep 28, 2009 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OU Game
I feel the OU game will make or break our season. We should be 6-0 heading into that game. If we lose to OU, we put a lot more pressure on ourselves, meaning we have to win on the road in Austin or Lubbock. If we beat OU, who knows what could happen (remember 2007). If we lose to OU, our next game is in Lubbock, tough place to win. We could easily drop 2 straight games and be out of the North race. We have to beat OU.
by Kansas10 on Sep 28, 2009 10:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I feel like to win the North
We need this to be a year in which the South completely pimp hands the North. I know we all like the North evening out the playing field, but we need the South to step up and hand Nebraskie and Missourah some Ls. If we can steal one against the South and the South can beat NU and MU twice, we can settle everything ourselves. Like men. Gerumph.
by KU Grad 08 on Sep 28, 2009 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see it all coming down to Arrowhead.
OSU beats MIssou in Stillwater.
Missouri holds court and beats Nebraska.
Kansas 5-3(Sweep the North, Swept by South) Tiebreaker!
Missouri 5-3 (Ls to Texas, OSU, us)
Nebraska5-3 (Ls to Oklahoma, Missouri, us)
Now that being said, I guess I am still more optimistic about our chances than Denver is. Nebraska could easily lose one more either at Baylor or (more likely) at home against a good TT team. Then the game between Missouri and Nebraska wouldn’t matter to us, or could help if missouri beats OSU.
It still depends on us taking care of business in the North. And a bonus win in Lubbock wouldn’t hurt for insurance.
by play4'ships on Sep 29, 2009 2:53 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I just can't see us winning in Lubbock on Halloween night.
So hopefully it’s an 11am game!
Sawin' wood
by Rivethead on Sep 29, 2009 8:21 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
TT is
beatable.
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by labbadabba on Sep 29, 2009 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very tough indeed
nice breakdown.
Only time will tell what happens but I see this:
Nebraska: We have to beat them no doubt to win this thing. I don’t see them collapsing against anyone that they "should beat’ with one exception, @ Colorado on Thanksgiving weekend. That game has always been competitive going back to the 90’s know matter who is better. Colorado could be improved by then so that is something to think about.
Missouri: One correction, Missouri plays @ Colorado so they don’t have 5 home games ( I was really confused for a moment)
I think Missouri is really talented but between Nebraska and them, I could see them having the “slip up” possibility more. A QB who is very talented with loads of potential, but still very young and inexperienced. I would say that their schedule is a tad more favorable than Nebraska’s, though, so that kind of goes out the window.
It will be a crazy season, for sure. We just have to do our job and not keep it in the hands of other teams’. Take care of business and we’ll be in Dallas.
One thing this team must do, though, is be 6-0 going into Oklahoma, has to happen!!
by I need more Esteban on Sep 29, 2009 4:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
7-0 going into Lubbock is even better.
Sawin' wood
by Rivethead on Sep 30, 2009 7:55 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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