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SB Nation Big 12 Roundtable: Week Four

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Here we are, back again. After a one-week hiatus, the festivities are back at my personal favorite college blog (evar!), Rock M Nation. So, go visit. With that said, here are my answers.

1. The game between Texas Tech and Texas got the Big 12 in the national eye early in the season. If your team was approached with this opportunity (or for Tech and Texas, approached again), would you accept and reap the benefits of the exposure, or decline because of the potential pitfalls of playing a conference foe so early in the season?

I don't know why not. In fact, I probably would rather do it, because they the gauntlet down the stretch in October and November could be infused with an easier game. Like Kansas-Duke in early November instead of a trip down to Austin. Plus, it gets your name out there early -- even though the Techers lost, they have generated a bunch of talk for being so competitive for so long in the game.

Despite an 'L', they are receiving positive pub. Texas is too, obviously, because they won. So, as long as you aren't breaking in a million, billion new starters, I don't see why not. I would be all for it. I'll take the exposure and the easier schedule down the stretch for little-to-no cost.

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2. Some of the Big 12 teams are starting to become known quantities, but there are still a few teams that most of us can't quite measure. Which team in the Big 12 do you consider the biggest enigma right now?

This is a really good question. I could go a lot of different answers, and thought about just about all 12 teams.

I'll go with Oklahoma State, though, after careful consideration. They have the talent and the home win over Georgia to be a legitimate BCS contender, but they also have the, uh, qualities and home loss to Houston that may leave them in the Holiday Bowl, where they seem to end up every year (even though they don't). They have enough talent and offensive genius behind them (not to mention spiked, gel hair and ridiculously overplayed rants) to compete for a BCS game, but not quite enough defensive power (despite Bill Young, who was the Genius of the Hour opening weekend) to be certain of it in any capacity. In short, let's put it this way -- I have no freaking clue what kind of team they are.

I wouldn't be surprised if they win out the rest of their schedule (yes, that includes against Texas and in Norman) and make a BCS bowl. It would be unexpected, but not shocking. Of course, if they stumbled along, lost another game-or-two they probably shouldn't have, and get shipped out to San Diego with an 8-4 record, I would not question it for a second.

There are a bunch of enigmas in the NFL, but none quite as large as the Cowboys.

3. What did you learn about your team in Week 3, and what questions has your team failed to answer at this point of the season?

In Week Three, there were a couple of questions answered. One was a ridiculous one, whether Todd Reesing and the passing game could get "back on track". Whatever the heck that means. In any case, I'd say it qualifies.

The more pressing question, and one that isn't entirely answered yet is the pass rush. It's been good so far this season, great even. 5 sacks against UTEP, 4 against Duke. That's awesome production. That's just about how many the Chiefs had all season (as a Chiefs fan, I'm obligated to mention that). But still, we don't know just how much of that is 'for real'. Also worth noting is that a vast majority of those have been on third down with our 4-DE lineup of Jake Laptad and Maxwell Onyegbule on the inside and Jeff Wheeler and Steven Foster on the outside. That's all well-and-good, but it's only a matter of time before people realize the massive running lanes that are open and start calling draws and screens to pick up the first down.

So, it might be unfair, but I'll go with that one. The pass rush has been excellent so far, but it's yet to be seen just how good or great or excellent or anything it really has been.

4. There aren't exactly a whole lot of marquee matchups in Week 4. Which Big 12 game this week not involving your team piques your interest the most?

Texas Tech @ Houston. Definitely Red Raiders @ Cougars. For a couple of reasons, really. On one hand, my opinion of the Red Raiders is quite different after their performance last Saturday night in Austin, so I want to see how their defense fares against (another) elite offense in Houston's attack. And on the other, since I didn't get to watch Oklahoma State-Houston, I want to see just how good Case Keenum is. If Houston wins this game, they would appear to have a relatively easy path to a potential BCS game, while a loss by the Red Raiders would probably seem worse than it really would be.

One of my top games of the weekend, really. Really looking forward to it.

5. Give us your Offensive Player of the Week, Defensive Player of the Week, and Surprise (team, individual, coaching decision, etc. Whatever you want it to be...) of the Week.

Offensive POW -- No real thought, necessary. Boomer Sooner Landry (Warden?) Jones threw for a school record 6 TDs against Tulsa. That'll get you the honors most weeks.

Defensive POW -- Oklahoma's D. Two straight shutouts needs to get you some form of accolades, right?

Surprise -- Texas Tech's Defense. In the first half, Tech looked the part of last year. They had a good-enough defense, a bunch of firepower on offense and a Pirate calling the shots. And considering how everything went to the tank last year, this year's team may end up with a similar record. Tech's D played excellent in the first half, and while they dropped off in the second, they were still passable. Bravo.

6. Power Poll! Rank the teams from 1-12 based on which team would win on a neutral field.

  1. Texas
  2. Nebraska (they looked good in defeat, although I'm going to assuredly regret this later)
  3. Oklahoma (even without Sam, they are getting the hang of it)
  4. Kansas
  5. Missouri
  6. Oklahoma State (looked pretty bad against an absolutely terrible Rice team)
  7. Texas Tech (nearly bumped them up more, but they gave up yards in bunches the second half)
  8. Baylor
  9. Texas A&M
  10. Iowa State
  11. Colorado (showed signs of life)
  12. Kansas State

There is going to be a bunch of debate, I'm sure. #2 is a crapshoot, no other way to look at it. Oklahoma State had one off week, okay, but having two in a row (and yes, a 17-point win over Rice at home definitely counts as an off week) may mean this is closer to who they really are than opening weekend. Baylor-A&M was tough, but I still gotta go Robert Griffin III. Even though K-State lost on the road to a BCS team by 14, the other two bottom-dwellers won, and looked doing it. And K-State didn't even dream of looking good.

Let's hear it, though. Where do you disagree?

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Really liking this series every week

count me in as someone who would like to keep seeing it every week.

Well RC, at least no one can accuse you of being a homer. Nebraska #2?!!!? C’mon. No way. I’ll tell you this, you did change my mind and I’ll give them the slight edge over KU this week because of quality opponent they played, but still, I think we are a better team than them.
I’ll go:

1.Texas
2.Oklahoma
3.OK St.
4.Nebraska
5.Kansas
6.Missouri
7.Texas Tech
8.Baylor
9.Texas A&M
10.Iowa St.
11.Colorado
12.Kansas St.

Really tough to have KU at 5 but if we take care of business this week, I’ll definitely move us past Nebraska and possibly OK St. Let’s do it.

by I need more Esteban on Sep 22, 2009 7:29 PM CDT reply actions  

I'd agree that Nebraska looked good in defeat....

but not number 2 in the conference and here’s why. Virginia Tech is not a good offense and Tyrod Taylor is not Michael Vick 2.0. Sure Nebraska’s defense was stout and the defensive line held down the fort, but the fact remains Nebraska still couldn’t outscore them.

So what would be my reason for believing they could outscore a team like Oklahoma, Texas Tech, Kansas or any of the other high powered Big12 offenses? Not much at this point. I do think the Nebraska defense will give these teams trouble, but I don’t think it’s enough to offset the lack of potency that the Husker offense had in this one.

Sure, they have the capability to beat anyone but I just think they lose more than they win when I look at them against the Top 7 on the board. Just my take, doesn’t mean it’s right and in reality…it’s probably wrong : )

Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.

by Owen on Sep 22, 2009 7:39 PM CDT reply actions  

Yeah

5 field goals is nice for Henery’s Groza campaign but you have to punch AT LEAST one of those in the endzone.

by I need more Esteban on Sep 22, 2009 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

There is a reason why VTech lost every BCS game it was in

For 8 trillion years prior to last season (or the year before I don’t remember). Its because its a highly over-rated team. I remember when we got them for the orange bowl I was really confident. I gave us a 70% chance to win. Why? Same old same old. Especially lately. Tech has a mediocre (non existent really) passing attach, good run game, D and special teams. They constantly beat teams in a crappy conference (ACC). If you have a good run D, don’t give up big special teams plays, and score 24 points on them (KU 2007) you will win the game.

Nebraska really let an opportunity slip. I watched it, and no way should they have lost that game.

by Andrew Clark on Sep 23, 2009 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed with most

1. Switch the game on 2 conditions:
  - There must be at least 2 warm-up games – I remember a debacle of playing FSU some years ago in the HOF classic or something like that as the first game of the year. Seemed to mess up an otherwise promising year right from the start.
  - It isn’t mizzoo – I hope the game at Arrowhead can become a tradition – It adds to the credibility of the rivalry on a national level.

2. I’d lean more towards your assessment of almost all the Big 12 teams.

It is questionable whether KU or MU have not played anyone so far – No, UofI is a nobody and is not going to the Rose Bowl this year, and are more likely to repeat the 5-7 performance of last year. NU has, but between the red zone "success" and the "prevent" D, they may be an even bigger enigma. CU, KSU, ISU – does anyone care? Baylor and OSU encouraged us in week 1, then laid eggs in 3 & 2. OU laid an egg in 1, or was it losing Bradford. FSU would seem to indicate the former. Eventually, Texas will need to play an entire FB game, right? A&M – Is it see KU & MU or CU, KSU, ISU – maybe I’ll care next year. TTech would seem to be the one team that has established itself in the middle of the South.

4. There aren’t exactly a whole lot of marquee matchups in Week 4. Which Big 12 game this week not involving your team piques your interest the most?

Texas Tech @ Houston. I like your reasons, but I would also add that it will give a referene point to evaluate Oklahoma State-Houston. Oklahoma State is becoming so much less significant as it becomes more and more apparent that the Georgia QB was actually affected more by the flu than OSU’s D. I don’t buy the Bill Young as Genius of the Hour any more.

Really tho, looking forward to KU vs. Southern Miss. I realize we aren’t suppose to pick the home team, but there should be an exception when it is the game of the non-conf season.

5. Give us your Offensive Player of the Week, Defensive Player of the Week, and Surprise (team, individual, coaching decision, etc. Whatever you want it to be…) of the Week.

Offensive POW — No real thought, necessary. Boomer Sooner Landry (Warden?) Jones threw for a school record 6 TDs against Tulsa. That’ll get you the honors most weeks.

No thought necessary if you exclude Jahvid Best’s 5 TD’s and 200+ yds vs. Minnesota. The Gophers aren’t a D powerhouses, but has Tulsa ever had any D?

6. Power Poll! Rank the teams from 1-12 based on which team would win on a neutral field.

1.Texas
2 – 9. Crapshoot. Probably not completely, but too much graying of the lines to be worth differentiating at this point – since I’m not getting paid to encourage people to argue.
12.Kansas State, Iowa State, Colorado

Or if really pressed:
1.Texas
2.Oklahoma
3.Texas Tech
4.KU
5.NU
6.MU
7.OSU
8.Baylor
9.Texas A&M
10.Iowa St.
11.Colorado
12.Kansas St.

by dagger108 on Sep 22, 2009 7:46 PM CDT reply actions  

wow

T Tech at 3, very interesting

by I need more Esteban on Sep 22, 2009 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm with Dagger

There’s no way Tech should be seventh after that performance in Austin. This team is legit. Here’s my list:

1. Texas
2. OU
3. Tech
4. KU
5. OSU
6. MU
7. NU
8. Baylor
9. aTm
10. ISU
11. KSU
12. CU

by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Sep 22, 2009 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

can't say I got to watch any of the game

was boxing night on Saturday for me, I’ll take you guys’s word for it, though

by I need more Esteban on Sep 22, 2009 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Congrats.

You were right. They looked good Saturday night.

I still think we CAN beat them, it’s just not anything close to a guarantee. at all.

by rockchalk on Sep 23, 2009 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was impressed with Tech saturday as well....

coming out of Lubbock with a win will be a tough task

Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.

by Owen on Sep 22, 2009 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

Before the season, I was fairly confident. Now, I think we’re more likely to beat OU than Tech. I’m like freaked out.

by rockchalk on Sep 22, 2009 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Awesome thoughts.

One thing, though…the Awards are supposed to be Big 12 only. So, Jahvid Best isn’t eligible.

That’s why I went Landry Jones. It’s Big 12 specific.

by rockchalk on Sep 22, 2009 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

yea he did throw 6 td passes

but 5 of those were dump off or screens where his receivers did all the work. i live in oklahoma and absolutely hate the sooners. all i heard this weekend was how landry jones is the next heisman winner… give me a break!!! he is not half the qb todd is

by rockchalks7 on Sep 22, 2009 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

love the OU hate

They don’t piss me off like they used to but when Hollis Price and Eby Ere (sp?) were going to FF’s, I reallllly disliked them. Boomer Sooner chant has to be one of the worst in sports.

by I need more Esteban on Sep 22, 2009 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

agreed

living here and seeing every game on tv they play that damn song after a 2 yard gain…

by rockchalks7 on Sep 23, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good reason exclude Jahvid.

Sorry, hadn’t gotten my Big12 blinders on. Thanks for the clarification.

by dagger108 on Sep 23, 2009 3:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

As far as the Power Poll goes, it's damn near impossible

to distinguish the teams from 2-7. Oklahoma has beat up awful teams, and the team they lost to just got absolutely bitchslapped by FSU.

Plus, still no Sam Bradford.

I’m way down on OSU after the Rice situation. Rice is just an absolutely terrible team, and they hung around for a long time. That’s embarrassing.

In hindsight, I really should have bumped Tech up. Nebraska down to 3, Oklahoma up to 2, and Tech up to 5. That’s probably more what I really feel. Nebraska doesn’t belong at number two. But I really didn’t think anybody else did, either.

by rockchalk on Sep 22, 2009 8:21 PM CDT reply actions  

I think that's fair...

2-7 really could go a whole bunch of different ways depending on how you see success in the Big12 being achieved. We will begin to learn a lot more over the coming weeks though. Maybe.

Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.

by Owen on Sep 22, 2009 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

If I made a poll

It would be:
1. KU
2.KU
3. KU
4. KU
5. KU
6-12: KU tied with everyone else.

In all seriousness though while NU hung tough against VTech, I’m not sure how much that says. I mean CU beat West Virginia last year and then went on to blow the rest of the year while WVU still had a decent year. So while NU hung tough (at home too) I think KU or other 3-6 teams may have done the same. Some other thoughts I have.

Texas – is not going undefeated. SInce Colt’s been at QB, there has always been an air about them that they aren’t going to play really well all game long. Just something weird, hard to explain. I think they will win the Big12, but not undefeated.

Tech – For similar reasons listed above, Tech looked good but lets not go overboard on them. We knew the Lubbock game would be tough, but it looked like we might have a chance to beat them if we can pressure Potts (ugliest dude ever btw) and sustain long drives. I don’t feel too great about it, but we will have a shot.

Texas AandM- You know, they seem a lot better this year. Wouldn’t be surprised if they stole a few Ws they shouldn’t have. Or whip some North team.

Baylor – UConn loss was a dagger. IMO, that derails the bowl campaign, or at least makes it a heck tougher. Although UConn isn’t too bad, so what do I know.

OU – Too much talent to forget about the Sooners, first game jitters maybe?

OSU – 9-3.

KU – So. Miss game will tell us a lot. Nuff said. Need to be hitting our stride now, and we aren’t. Saturday might be it, fingers crossed.

NU – I don’t know. Good running game, D, pass game looks off, may have been Tech. Still think KU-NU in Lawrence will be for the North.

MU – Going to be good, just think they are a little behind KU and NU due to experience. Think MU is going to win 8 games. So does NU. KU gets 9.

KSU – If we lost to them it will be shameful.

CU – If we lost to them I would cry.

ISU – If anything close to last year happens again I will eat a turd sandwhich.

I’m really bored. If you made it through my whole post you won a prize.

by Andrew Clark on Sep 23, 2009 9:29 PM CDT reply actions  

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