Kansas Positional Previews: Cornerback
Moving away from the defensive front and into the backfield, the cornerback position will be the focus of today's positional preview. Kansas has had a great deal of success in turning corners into stars of late with both Charles Gordon and Aqib Talib gaining national attention before taking their games to the next level in the NFL.
This has led to a bit of a recruiting boon as the Jayhawks sit in the position of having a lot of players that can fill this roll, while not quite being certain who is the one to fill it.
Last year was an interesting one at the position as an assortment of young players took a stab at things and unfortunately almost all were eaten alive by Big12 offenses. The result wasn't terribly unexpected when you are asking a freshman or redshirt freshman to cover the likes of Michael Crabtree and Jordan Shipley among others, but it still leaves a little bit of concern that there wasn't really anyone at the position capable of ultimately locking down a starting role.
One year later the staff has addressed the position through a variety of means. Position changes, additional recruiting as well as the overall development of those already in the position should lead to some stiffer competition this year.
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The starting role at the corner position, like many positions appears only partially resolved at this point. Daymond Patterson who joined the team as a true freshman was slated as a receiver at the beginning of the fall of 2008. A lack of success in filling the role of corner through other means led the Kansas staff to make a change with Patterson and try his quick feet out on the defensive side of the ball. Now after a full offseason in the training program and gaining experience at the position it appears Patterson has made some pretty big strides and could be a breakthrough player in the secondary this fall. A year removed from a 21 tackle, 2 pass breakup performance Patterson has improved himself physically and ideally prepared himself more mentally for being a solid corner in the pass happy Big 12.
The other corner position is a little more up in the air with last year's starter by the end of the season Justin Thornton running second team. Thornton broke into the Kansas lineup at safety in 2007 as part of the Orange Bowl championship team and actually finished tied for the team lead in interceptions with first round draft pick Aqib Talib. It was those ball skills and the lack of anyone else stepping into the role that ultimately led to his move to corner in the middle of 2008. At 6'1" 213 pound Thornton brings excellent size and strength to the position along with the ability to provide run support when needed. Thornton finished 2008 with 63 tackles for the team, 1 int and 11 pass breakups. The biggest hindrance to his success this year may well be his late season suspension from the insight bowl as the Mangino doghouse is not a place you want to be.
The player to date that has stepped into the first team role in place of Thornton is a 6' 195 pound sophomore in Anthony Davis. Davis arrived at Kansas with a pretty solid reputation as a player but one who might need some development in terms of the speed of the game in college. He was a 2 time all state player in high school and was known as a player with the physical tools and athleticism to make plays in coverage. In his now third season with the Jayhawks it appears the switch may have been flipped and the kid out of Tulsa with untapped potential, might finally be realizing it and ready to contribute.
After those three there are two other players who saw action last year but were clearly not quite ready. The first is 5'10" sophomore out of Lawrence Free State in Ryan Murphy. Murphy came to Kansas as a 4* athlete and had a lot of folks excited because he was a player people were familiar with. He's been tested at receiver and corner but appears to have found a home in the defensive backfield. While he has yet to see significant minutes on gameday he has done fairly well as a scout team player and he may still contribute down the line for the Jayhawks.
Another player the Jayhawks tested last year was true freshman at the time Corrigan Powell. Unfortunately for Powell, he was tested during the Texas Tech game and we all know how that ended up. I guess my feeling on Powell is this, as a true freshman he played in a total of 9 games and if nothing else that means he showed something during practice that the coaches felt could contribute. Maybe last year he wasn't quite ready but I would say that he certainly has to be up there on the depth chart this year if he continues to develop.
Another player that came in with Powell in 2008 is 5'11" 180 pound Greg Brown. Brown has been referenced more than once as a player that has made strides in the offseason and while it's hard to say where he'll land on the depth chart, he definitely could provide good depth at the position. Brown comes from a solid high school program in Cedar Hill out of Texas and was considered a Texas top 100 player out of high school.
Now it's time for a look at the newbies at the corner position and as I said Kansas added a lot in terms of recruiting at this position. Calvin Rubles, Tyler Patmon, DJ Beshears and Taylor Lee all joined the program in the offseason.
Starting off with Rubles, Calvin is the former teammate of a familiar Jayhawk corner Aqib Talib. At 6'3" 200 pounds the junior college transfer bring great size to the position after transferring in from Tyler Junior College in Texas. Last season Rubles was an all conference first team selection at Tyler after recording 45 tackles and three interceptions on the year.
Tyler Patmon is a guy that we interviewed here as part of our Rock Chalk Talk series last season and while he was relatively unheralded in last year's class he has apparently turned some heads in the preseason and wouldn't surprise anyone if he were to see minutes this season as a true freshman. Patmon measures 5'10" 180 and the staff was very complimentary of his footwork and hips during the recruiting process. It seems those strengths have translated well to coverage against the Kansas receivers so they might just get tested on gameday at some point.
DJ Beshears is a player in the similar mold of a Daymond Patterson. In fact when he initially committed to Kansas I think many saw him as an addition to the receiving corps because nearly all the film that existed of him showed the 5'9" speedster catching the ball on a bubble screen and scrambling for the end zone. He finished his senior season with 88 receptions for over 1400 yards and 21 touchdowns. Who knows he may jump back over to that side of the ball but with the way Pattersons quickness and speed have translated to a successful corner, it appears that's where Beshears will begin his career.
The last name on the list is a 6'1" walk on freshman in Taylor Lee. Very little is known about Lee but he is on the roster and working with the cornerbacks at this point.
So there you have it, 9 guys that are on scholarship and slated at the cornerback position. Obviously the need for good quality coverage corners in a league like the Big 12 is huge and the Jayhawk staff has filled the pipeline with athletes who will have to compete for time from day one. This trend will likely continue and hopefully so too will Kansas' tradition of producing NFL caliber corners.
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I like Daymond Patterson......
But darn I wish the kid was a couple inches taller and a few pounds heavier. The trend in the Big XII (and football in general) is taller, more physical recievers. I get nervous when a 5’9" kid had to cover a 6’5" kid that’s just as fast and 15lbs heavier.
As far as the vote, I went with Anthony Davis. Just excited that the kid finally seems to be “getting it”.
Sawin' wood
agreed
wish Patterson was 5’’11 – 6’’0
by I need more Esteban on Aug 18, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Well because the question was
who do you want starting? I went with Justin Thornton. I would like him to be starting because he is a senior and he has the experience. Then, the younger guys can fill into the nickel and dime spots and not have as much pressure on them. If Thornton isn’t getting it done, though, then we have to go on down the list.
Anthony Davis has come out of nowhere in my eyes as I hadn’t heard his name before this season. I’m hoping that he can be a good player, though. I remember last season being excited about Corrigan Powell but then that excitement quickly vanished as he struggled as a freshman. Would like to see strides from him in his 2nd season.
Calvin Rubles needs to make a difference. A big corner with college experience would be really nice. Either way I think 1 or 2 of the new guys sees significant playing time.
One last thing, is it confirmed that Patterson is CB #1? I know there has been quite a few articles and talk of him recently but is that confirmed?
by I need more Esteban on Aug 18, 2009 10:59 AM CDT reply actions
I can't say I've seen Mangino come out and confirm it...
but Davis and Thornton have been a little back and forth on one side while Patterson has been pretty much steady as she goes on the other, so I’m expecting he’s the #1 without much doubt.
Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.
I think he's got the spot locked down
But I would bet that Thornton or Rubles will get to pick up the #1 receiver when he’s taller than 6’2’’ or so, otherwise it’d be too much of a disadvantage.
by 2.1 seconds left on Aug 18, 2009 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I voted for Thornton
Just think all his experience has to count for something, especially with him seeing action in some really big games. I always took his move down the depth chart as motivational. Its great to see we got some good depth at corner, especially some young guys. The way the league is heading offensively, depth in the secondary is going to be key
Also
Like to see Ryan Murphy make a push at somepoint, being a 4* recruit and his speed. A kid I know who played Murphy in high school said he was the fastest kid he has ever seen on a football field, and he was a pretty good player. I think Murphy may have been at a disadvantage playing QB in high school compared to kids who played WR and CB in high school, although we’ve seen some other guys on our team go from QB and find some significant minutes on the field.
Rubles
I voted for Rubles since he turned out to be the sh** on NCAA Football 10. The man was the best cornerback on the team for me and led the Jayhawks in interceptions.
by ThirtyOne on Aug 18, 2009 11:54 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
If they're running a 4-2-5
then should we be voting for two?
That query being posed, I voted for Davis. I like Thornton better at a safety spot than matched up off the line one-on-one. JT can also bring the hat, so I like him even more in a safety/hybrid LB spot.
I’m wary of juco corners and their related hype. Just hasn’t seemed to to work in our favor that frequently. Kendrick Harper, please pick up the nearest white courtesy phone……
Kendrick Harper
Single-handedly dominated the 3Q of the ’07 A&M game. Just watched a replay of that this weekend. Still amazing.
As far as voting for two, I believe that the nickel position is already petty much decided with Chris Harris.
Sawin' wood
that’s my impression. The nickel spot will go to more a safety than a corner and will likely be Harris
Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.
I thought MM
said we were running a 4-3 at media day…
If I were a drag queen, I'd go out as a Sarah Palin look-alike and title my character 'Miss Information.'
he did...
but curiously the majority of practice that day they ran a 4-2-5
Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.
Coach Speak
What Coach Mangino Said: “Our base defense has not changed. We will continue to run a 4-3”
What Coach Mangino wants you (and all our opponents OCs) to hear: “Same ole same ole, nothing to see here, move along”
What Coach Mangino is really thinking: “We have to get our best talent on the field. We have no depth at LB, so 5 DBs makes sense. Our DL will be much improved and this will allow us to do more with our DBs in coverage. If I say were staying with a 4-3, no one will see it coming (except those smart guys and gals at rockchalktalk, but they’re on our side anyway…..)”
Sawin' wood
I'm thinking...
you are on the right track there Rivet : )
Thank you for translating the coach speak.
Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.
I always liked the idea of Thornton playing at safety too
Seemed to me he moved to corner last year because we needed immediate help at corner, seems like Thornton played well at safety. Harris will play nickel and can come in close because he has shown to be a solid tackler.
The key to the 4-2-5 alinements will be our D-line and LBs I think against the run. IMHO if we can really jam up the middle and teams cant muster some interior running on us, they will look to the air more or try more sweeps, screens, outside stuff, which plays right into our hands with having more DBs and speed on the field.
No matter who is starting, depth will be nice to have especially against the Techs and etc of the world. That Briscoe comment I saw in another thread of how when the opposing DBs get tired we can trot out fresh legs at WR and dominate, looks like we can apply that logic the other way around with our DBs.
I've heard that option tossed around and honestly I like it too...
if Davis can prove a solid corner it might be a great opportunity to have Thornton either back in Stroziers spot or ideally playing the nickel safety spot in the 4-2-5, big, good tackler, experience at corner and safety.
Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.
Anthony Davis.
He’s been lighting it up so far this fall. Justin Thornton can be like a super-sub — he can fill in at any position in the secondary, from safety to corner even to the rover spot that Chris Harris is at.
Rubles would be an interesting candidate, though.

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