The Move to the 4-2-5 Defense
If it ain't broke, don't fix it. So, what if it is broke? 93rd in total defense, 87th in scoring defense and 113th in pass defense!!! I'm not here to live in the past and we've talked about the multitude of reasons that can be pointed to for last years frustration on the defensive side of the ball. The good news is that clearly Coach Mangino is not of the opinion that everything was A-Okay. Almost immediately following the 2008 season we saw the beginnings of change with the hiring of Coach Miller and Coach Sims. Nothing against the old crew but it's already been somewhat widely accepted that these hires are both upgrades to the staff.
Now you've got the question marks which again have been covered, discussed and analyzed. Do we have the linebacker depth to replace the departures? Do we have the speed at the position necessary to compete against the spread and can we put a pass rush on the quarterback to create more pressure situations for opposing offenses. What's the solution to all these? Sounds like the staff is thinking the 4-2-5 combined with the expectation of an upgrade and further development in our talent level.
A Look at the Why's and How's of a 4-2-5 Defense After the Jump....
We first saw glimmers of this and how effective it could be with our 2008 season finale against Missouri. In no way did we shut down the Tigers but we certainly did a better job than many thought. Considering our passing defense woes and the juggernaut that was the Tigers passing offense many expected a clinic at the hands of Chase Daniel.
A quick snapshot of how our rotation during that game looked a little like this:
- Front Four rotation: any combination of 2 defensive ends or an end and Holt, along with 2 defensive tackles
- Linebacker rotation: 2 man rotation of Rivera, Holt, Wright and Mortensen w/Wright seeing significant minutes late.
- Defensive backfield: Primarily a 3 safety/2 corner set with Chris Harris being the third safety on the field.
So why was this successful and what makes the staff think we can continue to do so going forward? In short what are the advantages here?
To understand the why's, you've got to understand the problems, namely linebacker. First and foremost we're short on depth here as is evidenced by Quigley's move. After '05 when we graduated our last corps the Big 12 was still a league where the bigger more physical linebacker could flourish. Rivera, Mortensen and to a lesser extent Holt were all the clear successors. Leaving '08 we didn't have that. Wright looked to be someone that had an early jump as did Justin Springer. However does a guy as big and physical as Springer still fit in the Big 12? Kansas is in a situation where they struggle to have the depth at the true middle linebacker spot and they don't necessarily have the speed and athleticism at the outside linebacker spot.
The solution in the 4-2-5 is this. Instead of having to find one anchor middle linebacker and two athletic coverage capable outside linebackers, now you only have to find two capable effective "inside" backers. They don't have to dominate the middle and control the run by themselves and they aren't as likely to get caught on an island in pass coverage against the likes of Chase Coffman, Jeremy Maclin or any other of these speedy or over sized slot guys in the Big 12. What was once a weakness is now considered far less critical.
Second problem is a pass rush. The front four of Kansas struggled in '08 to put together consistent pressure. If you move to far toward a heavy pass emphasis and deemphasize your threat to rush you might only make the problem worse. A 4-2-5 can address a little of both. Let's assume for a moment that we are going to need more than a 4 man rush to get pressure. Next let's look at our recruiting and notice that over the past few years it seems that it has become far easier as a up and coming program to find and recruit depth at the strong and free safety positions than at linebacker. Darrell Stuckey, Phillip Strozier, Chris Harris, Lubbock Smith, Dexter Linton, Prinz Kande are 6 players that I think anyone would be happy to have in the pipeline for a 4-2-5.
Now what we've got is the ability to have 8-9 guys "in the box" with three of them being safeties. This creates the ability to clutter that pre snap read, hide any blitz packages and ads a lot more speed to positions that could threaten on a pass rush. This is where the 4-2-5 differs from any other "nickel" packages. Instead of 3 corners through elimination of either a linebacker or even worse a defensive lineman, you've added a safety at the expense of a position that was somewhat a liability anyway at outside linebacker. A strong safety or weak safetey should be equally threatening in a pass rush or run support situation as they are in coverage. That isn't always the case with three corners. The spread wants to do just that, spread out the field. Counteract that with players capable of doing multiple things from the middle third of the field and you make it more difficult for quick reads, and allow yourself more options from a defensive perspective.
Last problem that the spread creates is that of defensive matchups. Again a standard 4-3 defense can get caught off balance and on their heels with the right motion or formation shift matching up any one of your prototypical linebackers with one of these explosive play making slot receivers. With 5 defensive backs on the field you've effectively limited that risk. Now you've got two corners and three safeties all capable of pass coverage and comfortable in pass coverage spread out across the field. More speed, more athleticism and better coverage across the field without losing too much in the middle.
In short it's all about the ability to find three capable safeties. Essentially you will field a free safety, a strong safety and a weak safety. The base alignment alone allows for more variations, more versatility and the potential to pose more "threat" packages against the spread teams of the Big 12. It allows defensive coordinators to take back some of the edge and maybe even put the offensive team on it's heels for a little in the perfect situation.
Will it work? Time will tell but I for one am excited to see how our new coaching staff, current players and a seeming new philosophy change things up a bit. Football is a very cyclical sport and you can be sure that when one side of the ball appears to peak in performance, the other side is close behind in adjusting.
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I mentioned this earlier
In the D Coordinator position, but I’ll mention it again. I’m interested to see how we match up against some teams that still like to run a lot or use traditional sets. Colorado uses more pro formations a lot and loves to run, and KSU (especially with Snyder back in) will run, option, etc. Duke uses a pro-set, so that will be a good indication early on. I just hope with our attention of stopping the spread we don’t lose the physicality and run-stopping that has been our strength on D since we started turning it around under Mangino. Granted, I think we will beat those teams regardless with our potent offense, but still.
Pass rush is a must (echo in the room), especially on third downs. A lot of games last year (Tech in particular) our opposition would convert several third downs, sometimes third and 7 or more, because the quarter back had a year to throw.
I do think we may see more picks out of this set though. If we have a safety back playing a center fielder type read, our playmakers in the secondary could shine (look what we did against CU last year, those picks early in the game were huge).
My final note is sure tackling in the secondary will be important, especially on runs and screens when one or two of our D backs will likely be playing more of a LB roll. Wow long post….oops
no oops necessary, excellent points...
and CU will be the best test for how we can still handle that type of offense. Colorado has a monster offensive line that has been building for several years now and some serious depth and talent at the running back position. Again I’m not sure what to make of them yet, but if they start off the season strong that game will be much bigger than it looks on paper right now. Boulder is not an easy place to win and they could present some matchup problems.
Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.
Completely agree...
though I’d expect us to play a more traditional 4-3 against teams like Colorado. The 4-2-5 will likely be our primary defense for the reasons you stated, but just like we used to go to the nickel when needed, I think we’ll go to the 4-3 if teams start trying to gash us on the ground.
Against Colorado and the like, this doesn’t worry me a ton, because we don’t really have to respect their passing game (at least as it entails to using 5 DBs). It does worry me against Texas, OU, etc…teams that can beat you both ways.
S or LB?
When James Holt was recruited, it was as a safety, not a LB, though he made a pretty fare LB – or was that rush DE?
I think it would be easy to get caught up in numbers and letters and miss the real point as stated in the article. A player like Holt (beefed up DB/smaller, faster LB) fits the D and is more effective in the collegiate game than a traditional LB like Rivera.
It reminds me of the Hula Bowl n the 90’s when we had long, light, quick DL. The commentators said we would be worn down by UCLA’s big OL, but we just kept out running them, and they were the ones worn out in the end.
4-3, 4-2-5, …, Coach Mangino, etc., will have the players in their optimum position making quality play after quality play. The sky is the limit. Hopefully, we can get out to some really big leads early, and let the backups – especially QB, RB, WR, get some quality PT.
nice
Hula Bowl reference, I was really young but remember watching it….early 90’s KU footballk: Rarely talked about, often wondered about
by I need more Esteban on Jul 25, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Dagger...
welcome to the site and in that Aloha Bowl we did have a pretty stellar set of Defensive Tackles to boot.
Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.
Yes, Aloha Bowl
Thanks for the correction. It was fun to watch it again today during lunch.
Great post Denver, stepping it up this week
So I can’t quite remember, what did we run against Minnesotat? This defense?
This is exciting, especially with the defensive backfield depth we are starting to build. They are just rankings, but let’s not forget we brought in a top 5 in the nation recruiting class of DB’s. Running a 3 safety set, it will be very very interesting to see what new guys step in. Will Prinze Kande see the field as a true freshman and make an impact? Because all the buzz when signing day came along was that this was a special player that could see the field as a freshman. Football can’t come soon enough!
by I need more Esteban on Jul 23, 2009 10:10 AM CDT reply actions
Against Minnesota...
we ran some of this and some of the more traditional 4-3 as well. As I recall Tim Brewster made a point during the Insight Bowl to “surprise” us with a more traditional offense. They fell behind and had to go to a spread more, but from the start we showed a little of both due to what they were trying to do offensively.
Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.
One of your best Denver!
Great work. Where has RC run off to? Is he touring Xavier this week or something?
I've got crazy flipper fingers!
by labbadabba on Jul 23, 2009 10:21 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Thanks, glad you enjoyed...
As far as RC, I suppose he could be getting pretty close to making the move to Xavier….when I initially read your post I thought you were making some joke about him stalking the Henry’s but then I remembered he is going to be a Musketeer in the near future.
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