C.J. Henry: One-and-Done or Role Player?
"I don’t like stepping on people’s toes," Carl says, "but I just know what I know. I watch them play, all the Kansas kids. I like all these kids, (Sherron) Collins, (Tyshawn Taylor), they’re good kids, man. But they’re not better than C.J."
-- Kansas City Star - "Getting to the pros the Henry family plan"
J. Brady's article caused quite a stir. It was going to no matter what, but instead of just instigating thousands of message board discussions and blog comments, it hit the subjects, the Henry family (particularly Carl), and they created a fuss about it. Maybe they weren't coming to Kansas, after all. But with that potential issue seemingly behind us now, given the handful of media sources claiming that, in fact, Xavier and C.J. are still coming to Lawrence, let's talk about what just might have been the most interesting aspect of the article.
The quote above.
It was preceded by the claim that Carl considers C.J. to be a "one-and-done player."
I'm not really sure how to take this. I mean, I suppose it's impossible to tell anyone that they will spend more than one year in college. It's his right to declare for the Draft. Lots of hopefuls declare every year that have no shot at getting drafted. But unless C.J. is way better than I figure him to be, then him declaring for the NBA after this year wouldn't be too intelligent.
But first, let's take a look at the depth chart. C.J. could probably play either the 1 or the 2, so we'll put him up for both positions. With that in mind, he's positively behind Sherron, almost assuredly behind Tyshawn and probably even slightly behind Elijah Johnson. His chance to capitalize on Elijah's injury, learning how to play with his teammates and such, gaining ground on Elijah has gone away as C.J. continues to work out with his brother in Oklahoma City. Opportunity wasted.
And that isn't even including Tyrel Reed and Brady Morningstar. Hell, Xavier could even see some time at the 2, taking away some more of the 80 minutes a game the two positions get. But, assuming that there are 5 minutes-or-so a game of three-guard alignment, we'll go with 90 minutes a game to divy up between Sherron, Tyshawn, Tyrel, Brady, Elijah and C.J. This is just a ballpark estimate, and the calendar just turned to July. So, lots of stuff can change.
- Sherron -- 30
- Tyshawn -- 25
- Elijah --15
- C.J. -- 15
- Brady/Tyrel -- 5
Damn. And that isn't even including Travis Releford, who I think should redshirt this season because of the sheer depth here. That is just ridiculous.
But back to the point. How is C.J., picking up something around 15 minutes a night, going to end up declaring for the Draft? Now, again, I've never seen C.J. play. No one really has, at least not since he was a high schooler. And that was a helluva long time ago. I don't doubt he has talent; there is a reason we were recruiting him heavily as a high school senior. But if he wants to pick up loads of playing time and make an early exit to the League, 2010-11 would be the better year to do it. Think about it. Sherron will be gone. Tyshawn probably will, too.
If C.J. is half as good as his dad thinks he is, he can beat out Travis and Tyrel and Brady for the starting gig along with Elijah. Ignoring incoming recruits, of course, but whatever. The point remains the same.
C.J. probably isn't a one-and-done player. At least, not if he plays at Kansas. If he stayed at Memphis or something. then yeah, maybe. But not in Lawerence. Too much talent. Way too much.
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If CJ truly has one-and-done talent...
then why is he bothering with college at all? Why not declare for this year’s draft? He’s well over 19 years old and he’s way past being 1 year removed from his graduating class. He could have declared for the NBA draft without worrying about going to college.
Now one might say he didn’t declare because he was injured last year or he really wants to play with his brother for a season but let’s face it. He does not have one-and-done talent and he hasn’t played much competitive basketball (at least not anything close to Division I level competition) in 4 years.
Here’s to hoping the kid makes me look foolish, but it’s hard to see that happening right now.
Agreed with Lew
If you were thinking, you wouldn't have thought that.
http://sonsofsamhorn.net/index.php?showforum=129
Here's my comment from RockChalk's other post on the ordeal.
and I hope it doesn’t become a problem, but CJ’s situation could be something that becomes very interesting. He’s not taking Sherron’s minutes and it is doubtful he will take anything from T2. Will daddy be spouting off when January rolls around and CJ is getting 10 minutes a game? (Disclaimer: I obviously haven’t seen CJ play, maybe he will earn 25 minutes a game but it’s doubtful)
My other concern is how Bill Self works in young guys. He seems to work them into the rotation for the early non-con cupcakes and then pulls way back with them around mid-December until they absolutely prove they can handle the minutes. This is another situation where I can see daddy Henry spouting off and causing a ruckus.
If you were thinking, you wouldn't have thought that.
http://sonsofsamhorn.net/index.php?showforum=129
My take
I don’t understand why CJ would want to only stay a year. This is still Sherron’s team afterall, who is a senior. After Sherron leaves next season, that leaves T2 at the two, and possibly a lot of minutes to be divided up between Johnson and CJ at point. CJ could run the point with a lot of talent around him (we will still have some shooters and a solid big-man rotation with Withey, Morris Co, and T-Rob (who will likely be starting or getting some serious minutes his soph year I think).
CJ has good size for an NBA point (what is he, 6’3, 6’4), and would benefit from a year getting a lot of minutes playing guard with talent around him.
This year I don’t see CJ getting a ton of minutes because he has been away from the game a while, and likely will take some time to get used to learning and playing Bill Self defense. Long post…gotta love a day off
I want to just thank Carl Henry for the chuckle from saying that CJ is better than T2 and the full blown laughter for saying he’s better than Collins
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by fetch9 on Jul 2, 2009 10:32 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
So what’s the protocol for getting this guy to shut up? Does Self call him up directly and let him know how this is going to work? Or does he simply start calling up every KU beat reporter and tell them, “every quote you publish from Carl Henry from now on will significantly hurt your access to my program”?
I don’t see anybody at the Star or KUSports.com being willing to go to war with HCBS over the completely unreliable diatribes from some players’ dad, but maybe that’s just me.
by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Jul 2, 2009 12:59 PM CDT reply actions
I know this is a bit late
But anyone else think its funny that xavier apparently was being swayed by the fact that his friend daniel orton thought kentucky was so great? I mean, maybe if xavier was actually in lawrence with the team like orton is in lexington, he might have a nice opinion of ku by now. Just sayin’
Also, I’m thinking that carl henry is realizing that these are the last few months where he is the most important guy in these guys lives, and he’s taking advantage of it. I can sympathize with that till the school year starts. Then I might start getting a little pissed.
by 2.1 seconds left on Jul 3, 2009 10:15 AM CDT reply actions
Orton not in Lexington
I believe I read not long ago that Daniel Orton (along with Patrick Patterson) is spending the summer in California with a special trainer. He’s the same trainer that worked with Blake Griffin prior to last season.

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