An Underrated Problem: Defensive End
Coming into this season, there seems to be two primary problems that preseason magazines are focusing on: interior line play and linebackers. This makes sense, of course, as we lost all 6 starters in those two positions. However, there are more than just two potential holes on this team. This week, we'll be documenting all of these "mini-issues", if you will, with closing out the series today by taking a look at the defensive end position.
Why It's a (Potential) Problem
The Potential Solutions
Jake Laptad
The best defensive end we had last year, easy. He got to the QB enough to be a primary pass rusher, but not when matched up across Russell Brorsen, or someone like that. Still, he should be improved; perhaps good enough to be all-Big 12. Maybe. He certainly has the potential. And, he isn't awful against the run, either; but he's clearly a pass rusher primarily.
With him, though, it's still mostly potential. He has to get better against the run, particularly with only 2 LBs. If he can be a bigger factor in the run game while maintaining similar production in rushing the QB, it should be OK. If not, then we'll be in trouble. He's good enough to blow my small expectations out of the water; it's just a matter of if he does it, or not.
And when the most proven commodity at the position has potential surrounding any potential production, it usually isn't a good thing. I mean, it can be; that's what potential means. But if he busts out, or just performs the same as last year, it won't end well.
Quintin Woods
Maxwell Onyegbule and Jeff Wheeler
For the rest of the ends, I'll just break them into two camps. One is the veteran reserve role, consisting of Max O and Jeff Wheeler. Both were the third-down pass rushers that were brought in obvious passing situations in the past, with mediocre results at best. Now, less will be expected of them, but they are probably the second and third "surest" things, respectively, left at d-end. If everyone flops, they'll have to step up. Even if not, and someone like Quintin Woods emerges, they'll be depended upon to be a steady, veteran presence.
It's likely too late in their careers for either of them to take a huge leap, which is needed if either becomes the consistent presence opposite Laptad. But, both of them should be good enough to be decent off of the bench, particularly in getting to the QB. Depending on how things go with Woods and the freshmen, that may get them considerable PT or it may not. As long as they provide some baseline for the newcomers to reach, I'm happy.
That's really the key with Onyegbule and Wheeler. Provide some baseline of production for the Marshalls and Youngs and Sellers of the world to reach, or they don't see the field. That way, we at least have decent players go out there, plus it creates competition, bladdy bladdy blah.
D.J. Marshall, Kevin Young, Tyrone Sellers
I listed them in order of likely appearance in games, based mostly off of time-in-the-program. Even though Kevin Young tried his best to be Xavier and C.J. before it even happened, he was here for the spring semester. Sellers wasn't, while Marshall spent a year last year redshirting, getting bigger, learning techniques, all of that fantastic stuff. So, while Marshall is often overlooked, I think he's the most likely to see the field. Most likely in some kind of third-downs-only, pass rushing type. Or something.
All of them have, you guessed it, potential. Loads of it. A bunch. It's just a matter of when it comes out. I'm pumped beyond belief for all three. Particularly Kevin Young, who I think could be just as good against the run as against the pass.
So, The Solution Is...
Well, as scary as it may be, we pretty much have to depend on Jake Laptad providing production. Given the immense uncertainties of every other defensive end on the roster, his half-sure-thing is going to have to do as if he was Julius Peppers or something. And, someone else is going to have to step up.
Quintin Woods is the favorite, but really it doesn't much matter. As long as someone steps up opposite Laptad, it's a success. Combine that with the two veterans, Onyegbule and Wheeler, and you can survive the season with an average pass rush. Or whatever. If any of the freshmen can step up and provide much of anything, it's just an added bonus.
Really, I'm actually not that worried about the pass rush. Of all of these "underrated problems", I'm least worried about any potential pass rush. I think we're going to be fine. Laptad can be awesome, Woods is going to provide something, and the seniors will be good enough to get 5-10 snaps a game. Or whatever.
So, don't freak out entirely.
Planning on doing an Underrated Strength mini-series, probably starting next Tuesday. Hopefully all of the negative will I've built up in this year's team will go away when we go over the strengths beyond just the passing game.
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I think
there are 2 big factors in freeing up our DE’s.
1. One of our DT’s drawing a a double team. I’ve been a huge fan of Darius Parish from the beginning, I look for him to have a breakout year.
2. Our CB’s jamming the line of scrimmage. If we can disrupt time and delay routes even for half a second this should give the DT’s and extra step or two and get in the QB’s head.
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I think you are right and I think we have reason to be optimistic here....
1. Parish, Greene, Johnson Jr, Blakesly and a couple sleepers in Zlatnik and Stephens will all have the ability to draw the double and I think these guys are going to turn the DT position back into somewhat of a strength…
2. Daymond Patterson is looking much stronger and might have that ability this year and on the other side whether it be Thornton, Rubles or someone else, we’ve got several big corners on the other side so I like our ability to jam at the line especially with Stuckey, Strozier and Harris being a very experienced group of safeties.
Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.
Don't forget about Dorsey...
who actually started on the blue team in the spring game along with RJJ.
by hiphopopotamus on Jul 13, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions
ah yes...
he always slips my mind…although wasn’t Blakesly out during the spring game?
Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.
Yep...
but still surprising to me that he was ahead of Parish and Greene.
by hiphopopotamus on Jul 13, 2009 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions
for sure...
but I’m going to go out on a limb and say that won’t be the case come August…just a gut feeling
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This is a position that I feel we are building extremely well for future success...
Laptad will be the leader and Onyegbule has all the potential in the world but needs to put it on the field. He’s big, he’s fast and showed glimpses of excellent play last year. I was particularly impressed during the bowl and think he’ll be a factor.
Wheeler I’m not sold on, but he seems effective in those 3rd and long situations when we move to a more pass rushing interior so I look for him there.
Quinton Woods is a relative unknown but a few of the incoming recruits have been fairly impressed with what they are hearing about him so I think he’ll be effective.
After that you mention Marshall, Sellers and Young…here’s the think Young is the most physically ready and I think he could play. Marshall I believe has really struggled to add the weight he needs to and Sellers might not be there yet which was somewhat expected. It does sound like Sellers is running circles around the rest of these guys though in terms of speed and quickness, he just needs to get his weight up.
The other wild card here is the James Holtesque LB. As we all know Holt lined up as a rush end several times last year and was very effective. Word is Quigley has assumed that role and looks to be fairly effective. I also wouldn’t be surprised to see someone else emerge in that area as well but we’ll see. Not really defensive ends but in this instance they are.
One last thing, while everyone seems a little more confident in this area this year, I think it will make or break our ability to win the North as to whether we can be more serviceable in this area in 2009.
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Nice stuff -
Big O had a monster August last year but wasn’t able to translate that into the season. Hopefully, now that he’s gone through that and has had a little more taste of the field he’ll come around.
I’m pretty excited about our DE rotation in 2010 as well.
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Quigley had trouble
Staying low as a RB. Won’t that still be an issue at LB? I kind of worry about using him as a pass rusher.
First off Welcome to RCT there Jayhawk79...
secondly it may well be a concern but you also aren’t talking about using him every down as a pass rusher. Pretty much he’d be used in exclusively passing situations as speed off the edge. He’ll already be lower than any tackle in the league as it is and his quickness will be an advantage. I think he can do well if the situation is right. Makes sense what you say though.
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Something to consider regarding d-line
Often overlooked in Bill Young’s departure after the 2007 season is the fact that he was also KU’s defensive line coach. Joe Bob Clements coached the d-line last year. With his departure to join KSU’s staff, Tom Sims was hired from Illinois’ staff.
I know this probably sounds like sour grapes because Joe Bob is no longer at KU, but I don’t think we saw much improvement out of our defensive line last year as the season wore on – at least not from the DE’s. Whether that was from a lack of talent/experience or from lackluster coaching is hard to say since we only have 1 year to judge Joe Bob’s coaching of those players. However, we can say with certainty (because we have several years to base this on) that several of KU’s d-line players got better under Young’s coaching.
It will be interesting to see what, if any, impact Tom Sims has on KU’s d-line.
Laptad...
has already been quoted as saying that he felt they were being coached a lot of new techniques and schemes during spring ball. He stopped short of saying anything that would be construed as negative about Clements but in the video it was clear he felt it was an upgrade.
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Joe Bob
Let’s be real here. A guy with a name like that belongs out in the sticks of Manhattan. Lawrence just isn’t a “Joe Bob” kind of town.
I also agree with the assessment that this will like be the the position group that makes or breaks the season.
by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Jul 11, 2009 2:46 AM CDT up reply actions
I too am excited
to see what we bring to the table this year from the D-end position. Obviously a very important position in the 4-2-5 as you have said, it really could make this defense much better than last year with the potential we have at the position. We have seen what having game-changers like Keith and Ashley can provide and we need to get back to utilizing talented ends like that.
Brorsen and Larson were great kids that were in the right place most of the time, as you said, but you can only do so much in the secondary when the QB has ample time with the D-end five steps away with his hands raised.
As for Joe Bob coaching the line, I have talked to a few guys around the program and they made it pretty clear that KU was better off without him on the staff. Now maybe that is sour grapes and is more about his huge powercat tattoo on his back than his coaching ability. I really just don’t think we had much talent to coach up last year, much less a game-changing athlete…like we hope Q Woods will be.
by GingerBalls-OBK on Jul 10, 2009 2:49 PM CDT reply actions
Great stuff
This is a scary topic. Like Denver said, up front is what is going to decide whether we can win the North or not.
I’m praying for Quentin Woods to be the answer.
I like Denver, was pretty impressed with Onyegebule in the bowl game. He was in on a lot of plays and I seem to recall a big goal line stand that he was in on. It’s not impossible to have guys flourish in their senior seasons so let’s just hope that Max is a late bloomer, a la Brandon McAnderson.
Would be huge if one of the young guys can push this entire group.
by I need more Esteban on Jul 10, 2009 3:48 PM CDT reply actions
Watched the 2008 KU - MU game this weekend again
I was surprised at how well Max Onyegegule played in that game. Didn’t really get much press/credit for it, but damn he was in Booger’s Backfield a lot. And several times he was being double-teamed.
I fully expect Max to have a fantastic Senior year.
Sawin' wood
I was at the MU game and then the Insight Bowl and I can remember thinking the same thing, he really seemed to be getting a comfort level with the position that he hadn’t had in the past. He’s always had the physical tools it may just be a matter of getting him the necessary confidence in knowing what to do and how to react.
Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.
He really did come on late...
as a pass rusher and I loved finally seeing it from him. Can’t say he ever really got a handle on how to both generate a pass rush and playing his running lane though…which usually does come a bit later, so with any luck he’ll be a bit more adept this year.
By September, I’ll be pretty surprised if it’s not Laptad and Woods starting at DE. But if we could get Max and some of these young guys to come in and provide some depth, I’ll be pleased. I’m about as low as one can be on Wheeler…he’s decent in getting into the backfield, but I’m not sure I’ve ever seen anyone worse at finishing the job.
by hiphopopotamus on Jul 13, 2009 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed on Wheeler
though I’m not as down on his as it sounds like you might be. I think he and Max O have the same problem at times which is finishing a play once they’ve penetrated the line of scrimmage. It’s particularly tough for fans to see a player look like they’re going to bust up a play for a big loss only to end up seeing him have no impact on the play.
Seems like
Max’s problem has never been getting into the opponents’ backfield. He needs to do a better job of finishing the play once he gets into the backfield. Seems like he overpursues or whiffs on the tackle a little too much. That said, his interception of a potential screen pass in the Iowa State game was a huge play.
I think at defensive end there are two ways to be successful
1 – have two stellar ends, which allows you to insure you have at least one premier pass-rusher on the field at all times, causes at least one of the tackles to demand a double team on passing downs, and causing the o-line to make sure they are noticing where guys are lining up. Downside – your ends can get very tired, especially against spread teams
2 – have a good rotation of 4-5 ends, some obviously better than other but all with at least decent pass-rushing ability. What you don’t have in talent and one-on-one domination, you make up for with the ability to constantly go at full blast and the fact that the o-line can’t get comfortable with one guy’s techniques. Downside – also doesn’t allow your d-ends to find the o-lineman’s weaknesses, less getting into the head of the o-line (I love when a d-end has just demolished some guy a couple times and you know that he’s just scared its going to happen again)
Although Laptad seems to have show bursts of the ability to be a premier end, that has yet to be proven, and we all know that although the talk is there for Woods, we can’t know how much of that will translate until Big XII play starts. So I’m thinking we’re definitely going to be using the second strategy, which I’ve always preferred. At least now that we have the athletic depth to do it.
by 2.1 seconds left on Jul 11, 2009 12:09 PM CDT reply actions
Travis Stephens could be the sleeper of the D line.
He has JC level experience and his film shows his quickness and ability to get off blocks. He could really help the D ends by taking up couple blockers and even providing pass rush up the middle
rockchalks, welcome to RCT....
I was glad to see Stephens has for sure arrived on campus and you are very right he’s a guy that could help the d-line from a lot of positions.
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Yes, you've finally made your way over from RR!
Seeking inspiration to fill this space...
by Andy Edwards on Jul 12, 2009 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions
hooray!
all my pimping of RCT over at RR has payed off…
There are way too many ‘hawks over there who aren’t here as well…
I've got crazy flipper fingers!
yea got tired of all the negativity that has been going on over there
past few days. Needed to see some positives and with the Henry saga behind it looks to be good days ahead with our programs booming right now.
It IS a good time to be a Jayhawk
I must say.
I’d like to see 3 posters here more often (or at all)
Jaminrawk
Jaybate
Dagger
All three usually have good things to say and Jaminrawk really lays the lumber down on Mizzou. I’m sure KC88 would be impressed with his body of work.
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Oh, and RC7
I don’t know how long you’ve been lurking here at RCT but things really pick up during the season…
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Just have to say it, I'm fairly negative over there.
But the Jayhawks are a whole different world. They’re actually pretty awesome, so the negativity stops at the door.
If you were thinking, you wouldn't have thought that.
http://sonsofsamhorn.net/index.php?showforum=129
It is tough not to be
I’m a pretty positive person and I am usually calling out those whom (I feel) are unnecessarily negative. Things are seemingly so dire with the Royals right now it really makes following them a sad chore. BUT – I still love them, unfortunately, I’m bound to my Royals for life.
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