Rockchalk's Ramblings // 6-16-09
Here we go, at it again. Real content, non-links style, should be up later otnight, and continue throughout the week. Hopefully.
Kansas Basketball
Andy Katz: Final top 25 before the fall - ESPN
We're #1, very unsurprisingly. The whole list is worth checking out, though. Kentucky is at #7. Yes, #7. I understand they have a ridiculous amount of talent, but I'm not buying it. And Texas is already scaring the absolute shit out of me. Appears to be another epic Kansas-Texas basketball game is on its way.
Winners and losers in this year's NBA Draft - FOX Sports on MSN
Yeah duh, we're winners. Well, technically, only Bill Self is a winner; not us. So, don't feel good about Sherron Collins and Cole Aldrich coming back. Only Bill Self can. Seriously, though, it's crazy how many people are staying in the Draft that aren't as good as either of them, particularly Cole. And who the hell knows what is going on with Nick Calathes. Greece over the NBA? I'm assuming Russel Robinson wasn't a reference point.
Collins to skip University Games | CJOnline.com
All that's being told is that it was a "family situation", so hopefully it's nothing serious and everything can get worked out. As long as the situation isn't anything serious, then everything is fine. And from the sound of it, he just wanted to hang out with his family. Perfectly understandable and everything. Good decision, Sherron. Just please don't show up overweight again.
Mix of old and new faces bring smiles to Big 12 basketball coaches - Kansas City Star
Some three-packs from Kerkhoff. Also of note, there are audio interviews up, including this one from FHOFNCOYNCHCBS himself.
KU wants Withey to bulk up the Jayhawks’ frontcourt - Kansas City Star
And finally, an interesting look into Withey's Michael Phelps-ian diet. 3,500 calories a day, eating breakfast every morning with the nutritionist to make sure he was eating his fatty foods. It's all kind of odd. But, we'll get (or is it only Bill Self again?) a stockier, thicker Jeff Withey. In this case, that's a good thing.
Kansas Football
"History says Huskers should be favorites to win Big 12 North" by The Newell Post / LJWorld.com
Jesse Newell has quickly become my absolute favorite part of the LJ World/KU Sports combo. He's fantastic, in nearly every way. And again, this is a great article, even if it provides a less-than-pleasing result. Can't we win the North, just once?
Early questions to consider before football season : Kansan.com
The title's pretty much self-explanatory. It's from over the weekend, but I missed it yesterday. My badz.
Kansas Baseball
Not to steal JQ's thunder or anything, but two players signed. One, David Narodowski, was a draftee of the Diamondbacks. Afenir, on the other hand, was a senior who went undrafted. He will be joining Shaffer in the Yankees' farm system, though.
KUsports.com | KU's Narodowski signs with Arizona Diamondbacks
KUsports.com | KU's Afenir signs with Yankees
Where Should Kentucky Be Ranked?
I realize that John Calipari has stocked a ridiculous amount of talent in Lexington over the past two-or-so months on the job. And I realize that they already had two bonafide superstars, and a host of other talented players; enough talent, certainly, to make the NCAA Tournament. But I'm not buying that a team of talent can simply waltz in to school and earn a Top 10 ranking.
Obviously, they have the potential to win a Championship this season. But with Jodie Meeks staying in the NBA Draft, they are left with one player (Patrick Patterson) that is a significant piece to the puzzle that's actually played in a NCAA game. The other keys players are all newcomers. Sure, it just may be the "Greatest Recruiting Class Evar!!!11", but they are all still freshmen. Ridiculously talented freshmen, sure, like John Wall and Daniel Orton and DeMarcus Cousins, but they still have a ways to go.
Now, if they all get better over the year, then sure, by the time March Madness rolls around they should be taken seriously. Ridiculously seriously. But as we stand right now, I'm not buying it. Prove something, anything to me first. The one-and-done player is an interesting collegiate proposition. On one hand, there are some incredible talents that have gone that route (see: Mayo, O.J. and Love, Kevin among a host of others). There is no doubting that you can pick up some crazy talent going after the kid who is simply going to college because he's forced to. But only one has ever led his team to a title (do I have to tell you who?), that's all. They've added depth to teams (like Marvin Williams), but only once have served as the central focus and made it all worth it by winning a title.
And basically, Kentucky is a team made up of one-and-dones, at least potentially, combined with Patrick Patterson (who is a stud, by the way) and a couple of other freshmen. There are other pieces, sure, but this is a team that only made the NIT last year. Blame it on Gillespie all you want, Jammie Foxx wannabe, but it isn't like there was a Final Four team hiding amidst the coaching screwups.
So, basically, here is what we have. We have a team that went to the NIT last season. Subtract the team's best perimeter player, the SEC's Player of the Year and a stud from three-point range (all the same player). Add in a pretty good coach, and a whole mess of recruits. Some of them incredibly touted, like John Wall and DeMarcus Cousins, but is this batch of recruits alone enough to get this team a Top 10 preseason standing?
I've spent way too much time on such a topic. And it isn't as if this is a bad team; it is most certainly a good team, maybe even a very good team, that could be a Title contender by the time the calendar flips to March 2010. Just make them prove something first, please, before annointing them with such preseason praise.
They seem to belong comfortably in the bottom-half of the 'teens, right now. Definitely a candidate to quickly shoot up the polls, given some impressive early-season performances, but at least let them beat up on the patsies in November before putting them so high.
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I made sure to send the Andy Katz piece...
…to a friend of mine who’s a Spartan. She keeps insisting they’ll whoop us if we meet up again this year. I say bring it.
And yes, Texas is scary looking and the Calipari Exaggeration Factor is clearly in effect at UK.
by tequilaprophet on Jun 16, 2009 4:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree on your point about Kentucky's high rankings
And since you spelled out their scenario pretty well, I’d have to compare it to our Michael Beasley season.
-Both went to the NIT the previous year
-Both had the #1 recruiting class in the nation
-Both lost their best player from the year before (Cartier Martin)
Kentucky’s offseason definitely merits a pretty high jump – possibly even 25 spots higher than what they finished last year. But they weren’t a top-25 team last year. History shows that experience will take a team further than a roster full of freshmen.
My two cents is that they should probably be in the 10-20 range. They have to prove themselves first. This is why I hate any preseason ranking.
Introducing the new 2008 Big 12 Football Champions: OU, UT*, TT*, and MU*!
Now Introducing the new 2009 Big 12 Baseball Tournament Champions: UT, KSU*, BU*, and MU*!
by mystman995 on Jun 16, 2009 5:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes, they are definitely similar.
Now, they probably have a greater overall influx of talent (although, who knows; Beasley was pretty effing special), but that’s it. The main difference, of course, is that they are Kentucky and you are Kansas State.
So, they get the benefit of the doubt that they’ll be awesome.
by rockchalk on Jun 16, 2009 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Overall their class (as of right now) can and should be considered better than ours.
And yes, having the name Kentucky sure as hell helps you get the benefit of the doubt. Throw in Coach Cal and the folks at the WWL will forget about Tyler Hansborough….
Introducing the new 2008 Big 12 Football Champions: OU, UT*, TT*, and MU*!
Now Introducing the new 2009 Big 12 Baseball Tournament Champions: UT, KSU*, BU*, and MU*!
by mystman995 on Jun 17, 2009 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice bunch of links rockchalk.
The article about Withey was sorta strange. I get making him lift a lot to build up his strength, but cramming in so many calories he’s walking around feeling sick is odd.
Don’t know what to think about Kentucky. Losing Meeks is a very big hit. If they struggle early, they could have a lot of dissension. Couldn’t happen to a sleazier guy.
Good to see some of the baseball hawks getting signed. Hopefully Schaeffer Hall & Afenir sucked a lot of money from the Yankees to keep their chemistry together.
by hunter s. royal on Jun 16, 2009 10:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He's a slapdick.
Couldn’t happen to a sleazier guy.
If you were thinking, you wouldn't have thought that.
by Warden11 on Jun 16, 2009 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice. I was looking for a good diss for Calipari
and should have remembered rockchalk’s new favorite word.
by hunter s. royal on Jun 16, 2009 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fantastic, both of you.
I just laughed out loud.
by rockchalk on Jun 16, 2009 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, and for the record.
It’s Brian Billick’s favorite word. Not mine.
by rockchalk on Jun 16, 2009 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hunter S deserves the credit for that.
He set it up beautifully.
If you were thinking, you wouldn't have thought that.
by Warden11 on Jun 17, 2009 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Afenir and Hall with Yankees
I do not know how much Afenir and Hall will receive from the Yankees but I do not think they will be sucking a lot out of the organization. Afenir was a senior so he could not use returning to KU as a bargining point. He may have just signed for a salary (which would probably be around a thousand a month). Hall was a junior so he probably got a signing bonus. A normal one for a 25th round pick would be less than $10K and an agreement by the Yankees to pay his tuition should he return to KU within a set period of time to finish his degree (I have read that it is normal for these tuition agreements to expire if not used in four years.) So Hall may have received little more than a salary plus a small nest egg and tuition assistance.
I spoke with Buck’s mother and father breifly at a game this year. Nice people. His dad is a baseball coach in California so they only could get to a few of Buck’s games a year. They said they expected Buck to finish up at KU in the Fall to wrap up the few remaining credits he still needed for his degree. I’d like to think the Yankees agreed to pick up his tuition tab for these classes. As long as Buck plays minor league ball he will not be able to work at a higher paying job, so tuition help from the Yankees certainly would be a weight off his and his families shoulders.
I remember, back in the day, (I am very old) reading about minor league players doing things like working fast food or service jobs until a day or two before they had to report to spring training. Chris Sabo, one of my favorite players from my childhood, won rookie of the year back around 1984. Sabo was working a fast food job in February of that year trying to get by, surprised everyone by making the team out of camp, and played in the all-star game in June. What a strange ride that year was for him. When I was a senior in high school I worked at a grocery store. One of the cashiers was a minor league baseball player. The store let him keep his job even though he missed about half the year. I’m sure he made more money as a cashier than he did playing ball.
www.rockchalktalk.com for pretty good KU baseball coverage
by James Quinn on Jun 17, 2009 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh
and here is something im testing out
i did this for BIG 12 Hardball when i was covering the CWS
http://www.big12hardball.com/2009/6/14/908973/arkansas-vs-cs-fullerton-hit-n-run
also a lot of photography as well.
check it out
let me know what ya think
by bkmhoxx on Jun 17, 2009 10:06 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Regarding Kentucky
There was a discussion on A Sea of Blue yesterday regarding the impact of Meeks not returning and I agree with the blogger (Tru). It appears UK has a glaring weakness in terms of perimeter shooting.
If I’m an opposing coach I play a soft man-to-man defense on the perimeter that sags off of their perimeter shooters and helps prevent dribble penetration. I would also double-down on their bigs (particularly Patterson) every time they touch the ball. I would probably avoid playing a true zone defense because that could open things up for their ball handlers (Wall and Bledsoe).
To counter this I suspect Calipari may do something similar to what he did last year. Spread the floor and let his PG take the ball to the hole. A lot of Memphis’ offense last year was based on Tyreke Evans making something happen. This year it will be Wall and Bledsoe.
A characteristic of Calipari teams (other than the dribble-drive motion offense, which I’m sick of hearing about) is that they usually play good defense. I’m skeptical at this point that Calipari can get a collection of true freshmen to play the kind of defense he wants. I’m not saying they won’t be a good defensive team (the talent is certainly there) but I think it’s enough of a concern heading into the season that it would influence my preseason ranking of UK.
Personally, I’d rank UK in the teens in the preseason.
by KU_Lew on Jun 17, 2009 12:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
One would think the day would come...
where the mythical dribble-drive motion offense will lose it’s mythical luster.
Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.
by Denverjhawk on Jun 17, 2009 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kentucky?
I think people are getting a little too carried away with Kentucky. Sure they got high recruits, but does anyone remember (or could someone find on rivals and etc) the rankings of Chalmers, Wright, Rush and Downs when they were soon-to-be frosh? If I remember, I’m fairly sure Chalmers and Wright were both top 10 talents, and Rush and Downs obviously were highly ranked too. While we took advantage of a weak league to win the Big12 that year, we saw what happened tourny time. Then again…in a few years Rush and Chalmers were hoisting a trophy, so we’ll see. I’d rank Kentucky 12th, and lets not forget they are still in the Suck E C. They’ll win games.
by KU Grad 08 on Jun 17, 2009 2:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
05' Recruit rankings
Chalmers #12
Downs #28
Rush #13
Wright #8
Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.
by Denverjhawk on Jun 17, 2009 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ahh
Well the Kentucky players would have a bit higher rankings…but you guys get the idea. Having the 8, 12, and 13 ranked players is pretty solid. Worked out for us down the road :)
by KU Grad 08 on Jun 17, 2009 3:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
totally agree...
there has to be an adjustment period and there has to be experience on the team as well. When Calipari did it with Rose he had a largely veteran roster outside of Rose. I think if Meeks had returned and Kentucky could put Patterson, Meeks and other experienced guys around the 6 coming in then they might have the pieces.
As it stands now the similarities between Kansas 05’ and Kentucky 09’ are certainly there because now that Kentucky has lost or run off most of their veteran leadership I’d be somewhat shocked if they went far in the tourney.
I’m rambling now but I guess my point is I agree with you that instant impact recruits don’t actually translate to instant impact come tourney time.
Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.
by Denverjhawk on Jun 17, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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