The Perfect Storm: What College Football Really Needs
This. Is. Incredible. Not to bump JQ's work down too much, but I felt KC deserved some special FrontPage props for all of the hard work he put in. I've only skimmed it so far, but it was an epic skim. And appears to be an epic post. (And yes, eventually I will realize that it is me who is "supposed" to be posting this quality of stuff and start.) Thanks, KC. -- rockchalk
The entire state of Texas still feels as if they were hosed last year when they were overlooked by the final Bowl Championship Series (BCS) standings in favor of Oklahoma to appear in the Big 12 Championship game. This was just the latest blemish on the already acne-riddled face of the BCS.
In an attempt to avoid the BCS controversy from recent years, and to find a true "national champion" year after year without fail, NCAA Division 1 College Football must do the following: 1) restructure the way "conferences" are set up; 2) alter schedules and the means by which "conference" champions are determined; 3) let the hated-by-all BCS cease to exist and implement a version of full season qualifying in order to gain a spot in the national championship "playoffs."
For those that believe that to have a "playoff" and do away with the current bowl system is the only way to determine a "true national champion," this theory will come as somewhat of a surprising compromise to you. In the current format of Division 1 College Football, it is safe to say that crowning and undisputed national chamion is not realistically feasible. There are certain conferences that are arguably and inarguably in some cases, just tougher and stronger than others, giving the advantage to the team from the weaker conference team on the field, but the advantage to the team in the tougher conference in the mind of voters, which is ultimately what matters most. There are too many variable factors in this formula.
There is no denying that an SEC conference schedule is tougher to navigate through with zero, one or two losses than to accomplish the same feat in the Pac 10 conference, for example. Also, there is a conference championship game in the SEC, while there is none in the Pac 10. The playing field across the nation in College Football is uneven. The only way to find a "true national champion" year after year without stepping on the toes of universities, teams, coaches or fan bases is to let it be played out on the field; but, to be done so in a fair, even and non-arbitrary way. The current conference structure must be done away with, though, to achieve this.
As a European football (soccer) fan, having seen the way the different leagues in different countries are organized and run, in parallel as higher and lower leagues, it became apparent to me that this ideal could be taken and combined with America's love for "the playoffs."
College baseball plays a full season of series, both conference and non-conference, has a conference tournament, goes to a field of 64, has regionals, then Super Regionals, THEN finally the College World Series, but still with eight teams alive. Do the math and you realize that college baseball teams end up playing nearly 65 or 70 games by season's end. Obviously, this would not work in college football. College basketball plays full non-conference and conference schedules, has a conference tournament, then narrows down to 65 teams, and then somebody has to win six more in a row to be crowned national champions. Do the math on that one, and see that the winner plays right around 40 games a season. Obviously, this would not work for college football, either. So, what would work then?
Disclaimer: This is completely theoretical and only one possible solution of many. This is 100% my own work.
What I propose is a nationally reorganized "staggered flights-conference organizational system." Now, go back and read that phrase again. A nationally reorganized "staggered flights-conference organizational system." You're thinking, "what in the world is that," right? I will explain exactly what that means in a moment, but for the time being, gone are the SEC, Big 12, ACC, Pac 10, Big 10, etc. as we know them. So, just erase those names from your mind. This is where it gets really theoretical, so hold on tight.
There are 119 teams in Division 1 College Football. Now, realistically speaking, about ten to fifteen teams have somewhere around a combined eighty percent chance of winning the national championship in a given season. The other 100+ teams make up the other twenty-or-so percent. I propose that the 119 teams in Division 1 be broken in two, yes, just two, separate "flights" (or levels) of division. Not in half, but into 52 teams in the top "flight," with four "groups," all based on geography; with the remaining 67 teams being placed in the bottom "flight," with four "groups", as well, also done so geographically. Now, quick math says that the Top Flight (we are going to capitalize this from here on out, as it is the generic, unnamed title of the "flight," as well as the Bottom Flight) will have thirteen teams in each group. An average Division 1 schedule is made up of either twelve or thirteen regular season games with a possible conference championship at the end (depending on conference) and then a bowl game. In the proposed system, each team will face every team within their group once. Twelve other teams in a group, twelve regular season games. Six home, six away; as fair and level of a playing field as possible there.
What this system will do is give everybody in each group the exact same schedule to play out; (with the exception of home/away games) thus taking away the argument about how much Strength of Schedule should matter in the final BCS rankings. (Although, at this point in time, the BCS computers will have been stripped and set ablaze on the steps of the NCAA Headquarters in Indianapolis.) After the playing of the twelve game regular season schedules is concluded, (each team having two bye weeks - explained later) the top 2 teams from each group (after tiebreakers - explained later - if necessary) will determine the champion of the group. This will be done right where a champion should be determined: on the field, of course, at a neutral pre-determined site, chosen geographically. There are four groups, which means four group champions. The four champions will then take part in the first ever NCAA Division 1 College Football "playoff"; a single elimination, lose-and-go-home tournament ending in one team being crowned undisputed national champions. The remaining 44 teams will all play in the bowl games (explained later) that are currently existent.
The season will start the last Saturday in August, which will be the 29th this year. Each team will have two bye weeks (explained later) throughout the season, much like most teams do currently. The bye weeks will be spaced out with six weeks in between each bye week for each team, beginning the second week of the season.
For the Bottom Flight, the 67 teams will be broken up into four groups, as well, all corresponding geographically with the Top Flight Groups. Having an obscure number of teams, there will be three groups of seventeen, and one group one sixteen. Obviously, teams in the Bottom Flight will not play sixteen game schedules just to play everybody in their group. Bottom Flight teams will play twelve game schedules, just as the Top Flight teams will. Also, just as in the Top Flight, the top two teams in each group at the end of the regular season will play for the group championship. The four winners will also go on and play for the Bottom Flight Championship. With twenty more teams being awarded bowl games that are also currently existent, with the exception of one.
In this system, there are no more controversies over which two teams get to play for the title, no more lobbying from coaches to pollsters for votes, no more Top-Secret BCS math formulas, no more wondering "what if" at the end of the season. All of that is a thing of the past. Each team is given the same exact equal opportunity against the same competition. Where they end up at the end of the season depends on how they perform on the field. Clear guidelines are set, and you go into the season and every game knowing exactly what you have to do and how far you must push yourself to reach your team's goal.
Group Breakdown
Scheduling
Scheduling truly ends up being fairly easy to set up. Due to an odd number of teams in each group, there must be at least one team from every group every week that has their one of their two bye weeks for the season. This will be worked out in a 1-1-1-7-1-1-1 system on a weekly basis, with single teams having a bye week the first, second and third weeks of the season, seven teams having a bye week the fourth week of the season, one team the fifth, sixth and seventh weeks of the season, then repeating this process beginning in the eighth week of the season. The team with its bye week in week one will have their second bye week in week eight. The team with its bye week in week two will have their second bye week in week nine, and so on.
In an effort to have as many games on national television as possible and reduce the number of important games being played at the same time on Saturdays, each group will also have one mid-week game each week with each team playing two mid-week games throughout the season; one home and one away. This will start before Saturday of week two, with the final mid-week games being played before Saturday of week fourteen. There will be two games on Wednesday night and two on Thursday night, similar to what ESPN has begun to do in recent years. The East and Midwest groups will be paired together and play on Wednesday nights, with the East game being first due to time zones and the Midwest game starting promptly two hours and 45 minutes later. The Southeast and West groups will be paired together and play on Thursday nights, with the Southeast being first, also due to time zones and the West game starting promptly two hours and 45 minutes later.
As for the Bottom Flight, even with sixteen and seventeen teams in each group, respectively, each team will still play a twelve game regular season. Bye weeks will work much like the Top Flight, just with different numbers of teams having a bye on a given week. For the three groups with seventeen teams, a 3-3-1-3-3-1-3 system will be used on a weekly basis, beginning in week one and repeating itself again beginning in week eight, just as in the Top Flight. For the West group, which has only sixteen teams, a 4-4-4-4 system will be used on a weekly basis, beginning in week three and repeating itself starting in week nine.
There will be no mid-week scheduling in the Bottom Flight as there will be in the Top Flight. There is simply not enough time in a weekday evening to air up to four games on television.
Bowl Breakdown

Tiebreakers
In the event of a tie between two or more teams, where a tie being broken within the group is necessary at the end of the season, the following list of tiebreakers will be used:
Two-way tie
1. Head to head matchup
Three-way tie
1. Head to head matchups among the three teams
+ If Teams A, B and C are all tied, if Team A beat both B and C, with their loss(es) coming against other opponents, Team A is the victor of the tiebreaker.
2. Total point differential in head to head matchups amongst the tied teams
+ If Team A beat Team B, Team B beat Team C and Team C beat Team A, total point differential in those games will be used. If A beat B by 14 points, and lost to C by 10 points, Team A has a point differential of +4 points. If B beat C by 3 points, and lost to A by that same 14 points, Team B would have a point differential of -11 points. If Team C beat A by 10 points, and lost to B by 3 points, Team C would have a point differential of +7 points, and would thus be declared the victor of the tiebreaker.
If only two teams are still tied after tiebreaker two, it does NOT revert back to head to head between the two teams. It continues on to tiebreaker three.
3. Record vs. Top 6 in the final group standings
4. Overall record in games played away from home
5. Overall point differential in all games
+ Same formula as used in tiebreaker two, extrapolated over the full season.
With everybody playing the same exact schedule, with the exception of themselves, total point differential is a level barometer of how well they played within the group, how big they won by and how badly they lost.
Relegation and Promotion
In an attempt to keep different matchups forthcoming on a yearly basis, at the end of each season, the bottom two teams from each group of the Top Flight will be"relegated" to their corresponding groups in the Bottom Flight. The next season they will be a part of said Bottom Flight group, but can gain "promotion" back up to their previous Top Flight group after just one season in the Bottom Flight if they finished the following season first or second.
To replace the "relegated teams" in the Top Flight, the two teams that play each other for each group championship will both secure a promotion to the corresponding Top Flight group. The next season they will be a part of said Top Flight group, but can be relegated back to the corresponding group in the Bottom Flight after just one season in the Top Flight.
The point of the relegation and promotion is to enforce an "earn your right to play for a championship" attitude. By promoting and relegating two teams from every group nationwide, both Top and Bottom Flight, there will be "new blood" in each group every year and offer different matchups, similar to the non-conference play portion of team's current schedules; but these "non-conference" games, in essence, matter just as much as the "conference" games of the current format, because every single game goes towards a group championship, and a possible national championship run.
Now that you have taken probably half an hour out of your life that you will never get back to read this, I'm sure you have a million different reasons this would not work, so let me have it. Obviously, there are some things that could probably be tweeked slightly to make it even better, but who are we kidding; this is flawless logic.
[Note by KCsince88, 05/25/09 8:44 PM CDT ]
Now that I have completed this epic post, done so so thoroughly and put so much effort, research, time and thought into it, I can honestly say this is the funnest thing I have ever worked on. I felt as if I ran College Football in presenting this theory and enjoyed it tremendously.
[Note by KCsince88, 05/26/09 12:25 PM CDT ]
As you may either know or tell, I am a KU fan down to the bone and you may notice that I left Missouri off of the Regional Maps, but this was purely and honestly an accident. I do hate the Tiggers, but in a post that I took as serious as this, I would not leave them off of it.
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Wow.
I’m going to bed and that is all I can muster for commentary at this hour, but I will be back to say more later. Love the theory, see 1 or 2 flaws to “fairness” and the obvious flaws to practicality, but I will discuss those later. good article.
Flaws to practicality
I realize it’s not likely to happen, but I just felt that this would be a fair way to divide everything up. The conferences make way too much money as is and we all know that is what it’s all about.
Just my $.02 really.
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by Andy Edwards on May 26, 2009 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions
I think it certainly holds as much water as any other theory...
I guess the only flaw I see in this is that in dealing with amateur athletics as opposed to pro, you might have a team show tremendous improvement year over year and not get the opportunity to play when they deserve it.
example would be the 2007 Jayhawks. Given this system and the 2006 season, Kansas would have been a bottom flight school. Now, one positive here is they would have likely played for that bottom flight championship but the negative would be that in arguably their best year they wouldn’t have the opportunity to compete with the top level.
Not being a soccer fan, let me ask this…are there opportunities to move up mid season?
Also, was it by design that you didn’t acknowledge Mizzou on your regional map breakdown… :D
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That is a great point about the 2007 KU team.
No, there is no way to move up mid-season. Once you are there, you are there for a year until you regain your promotion.
Also, no, it was not by design that I left Mizzou off. Total gaff on my part and I will fix it later. Sorry, Tiggers.
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by Andy Edwards on May 26, 2009 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Just skimmed but it looks like you're proposing a Premier System
a la European Hockey…
I’ll read further tonight when I can fully digest it. Looks like nice work tho, KC, can’t wait to read it all…
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What is the end goal?
Hi KC, Nice post. In many ways I like the system you propose better than the current one in use. There is one question you didn’t address which I think belongs in the discussion.
Like most people I like play-off systems. The thing is, they are not effective at all in determining which team was the "best" team in a given year. How often does the best team actual win the playoff? I think overall the BCS system does a much better job of identifying the two "best" teams for a national championship game than would a playoff system. Were the Phillies the best team in baseball last year? Where the Steelers the best NFL team last year?
I like playoffs because they are fun, and they extend the season. But I think we should recognize that a playoff system is only superior because we like it, not because it more accurately identifies the best team. If you agree, then playoffs can be treated as a reward for an excellent season, not a serious effort to determine the "best" team in the nation. Changing the definition of the post season to a "fun reward" vs. a "search for the truth" kinda takes the edge off the whole matter, but it is a more realistic way to look at sporting championships. If NCAA basketball was really just trying to determine which team was the best in a given year they would only have to invite maybe three or five teams each year and then have these play each other multiple times to reduce luck as a factor. If the goal was to objectively determine which team was "best" inviting 65 teams to the tournament is just a crazy system. But we all love March Madness.
What my point is here, if a person is really interested in determining which team is "best" in a given year then playoff systems do not make sense. If a person is interested in enjoying a longer season and having their favorite team afforded a greater opportunity to take part in an exciting post-season tournament, then playoffs are the way to go. Thus, if you like playoffs, make sure they are equally accessible to all teams and make them fairly large (i.e. the NCAA 64 team tournaments.) If you like "true" national championships then work to improve the BCS concept. The system you propose only allows 8 teams (top two seeds from the four Top Flights) to compete for the national championship, and then makes the playoffs a single elimination system. Most years the best team will not be identified by this system, and the vast majority of teams will be excluded from the playoffs. So, it doesn’t actually identify the best team, and it doesn’t make as many fans happy. I wonder if retaining the current conference system and having a 32 team playoff probably would work better. Just my two cents.
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by James Quinn on May 26, 2009 9:53 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Determining the "best" team outside of a playoff...
is completely subjective. It would be as if we elected our politicians based on the “best” candidate. Who determines the criteria that ultimately makes someone the best? As the BCS stands now there is a human element that everyone argues creates bias. I completely agree with that…the response is typically, “take the polls out of it”…ok fine but then you are left with different statistics bearing different weight or the same weight in a formula that is ultimately thought up by a human. Someone, somewhere is influencing what makes a team the best or not.
I may argue that margin of victory is critical in determining the best, while someone else may feel that is minimal as compared to strength of schedule. Who decides this? No one should, the players should.
The reality is that there is no way to determine the “best” team and a true national champion based on anything but a playoff or tournament style format. That’s how competition is meant to be decided, by the parties involved. History will judge those who are the best, and odds are they will have had to at some point been able to call themselves champions.
JQ…great topic point for discussion, but I have to say I’m passionately on the other side of the fence from you on this one.
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No problem with the disagreement
My best counter point, look at recent championships determined by play off systems. What percentage of them were won by the team you think was best that year? Even after seeing them win the playoff, do you really think the Phillies were the best baseball team last year? Do you think the Steelers were the best football team last year?
I love playoffs, but I know they rarely crown the best team. I think the BCS college football system does a better job in that regard, and Lord knows I hate the BCS system. Why? Because I think it results in the worst of both worlds. It excludes most teams from consideration while doing a poor job of providing objectivity to the championship system.
I don’t think we will every have a truely good system of identifying the “best” team in NCAA sports, so we should focus instead on finding the system the fans like the best, a broad playoff system which, at the start of the season, is open to all D-I teams on an even footing. Just my opinion.
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by James Quinn on May 26, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm not a huge baseball guy...
but I’ve got to think that any team that can win multiple 7 game series in the playoffs after winning their division then they must be a pretty damn good team…the best? I’d say yes by the measure of winning the most in their respective division and then winning when it counted in the playoffs. If someone else can’t do that, they don’t deserve to be labeled the best.
In the end 2 years from now will anyone remember the runner up or who the opposing teams were in the ALCS or NLCS? Not likely unless it was your team and you thought they were the best. The team that history will remember and the team that proved it in the only fair format available was the Phillies. Again, didn’t really follow so I’m somewhat making a leap of faith as to how this played out.
I will say this though after following the Big 12 baseball tourney, thanks to your coverage, do you think a round robin? followed by a single elimination can determine the best. Similar to the World Cup or the college baseball formats?
tough call but it seems pretty fair.
One other thing I’d throw out there…NCAA basketball tournament feeds of “Cinderella” stories…However I would say very few remain Cinderella stories if they win it all. There are a few examples but the majority lose before they get there. The Cinderella/Underdog stories that just keep winning and ultimately win the tourney are typically judged to be much greater than anyone thought at the time.
To take a jab at our own 97’ Kansas Jayhawks, that Arizona team made a historic run and looking back was a pretty damn good team that struggled at times in the regular season resulting in a 4 seed. So while I subjectively would like to say that Kansas was the “best” team that year…objectively and going by the facts, they were not and will never be remembered that way by anyone but us. Arizona was the best that year.
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sticking with your basketball comparison and a time I know, what about Duke in 91’. Kansas ultimately made a hell of a run and almost knocked off Duke in the final but the Blue Devils who “upset” the UNLV Runnin Rebs have been judged and determined a much greater team than they were ever thought at the time. Going into the semifinal against Tark and the Rebs the Devils were a pretty big underdog but after winning it back to back and knowing what we do now about that group, they might not have been looked down upon now the same way they were then.
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by Ghost of Mark Randall on May 26, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions
As far as Big-12 baseball in 2009,
I think the best team was already identified. Texas. The tournament was fun, but nothing was going to happen there that was going to change most people’s minds about what team was the best. Maybe if Texas went 0-3 and Oklahoma went 4-0 some people would have had second thoughts.
I think the most skilled team was Texas A&M, but clearly they did not perform as well at UT and OU. But that gets into a whole different discussion.
I love the playoffs, and I love the tournament, but I do not think they determine what team is the best to near the same level as performance during the regular season. I want the tournament retained, I just think if the best team wins it it will be moreso due to luck than to skill. And I think if people believe a playoff system will normally identify the best team they are not really looking at the enormous amount of past history that shows the opposite.
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I guess what I'm saying is...
that I think after all is said and done a team that can survive a playoff or overcome a grueling regular season and win a playoff is most deserving of being crowned the “Champion” maybe they aren’t the best team on paper…but they are the best team by name and by performance.
I do like your argument in terms of regular season prowess ruling in any scenario where that can truly occur…i.e. the Big 12 regular season basketball title vs. the tourney…it’s fairly widely understood that the regular season crown is the more prestigious in this instance. However in any scenario where every team can’t get a crack at the other I just don’t see any way to judge the “best” team or champion objectively without a playoff.
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+1
My thoughts exactly.
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I assume you are referencing the conference slate...
w/a 32 team playoff? and to this point I think I’m completely on the same page as JQ as well. I think that would be the fairest, most enjoyable and give what many would feel comfortable in declaring the “best” team in the land if they can come out of that gauntlet alive.
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I was referring to his original statement of
how the playoff system is viewed and that it doesn’t necessarily ensure that the best team wins – just that the “best” teams are included in a chance to prove themselves. That’s why the playoffs are so much fun.
But I do have to give credit to the BCS where it is the only system that can (generally) determine the best team that season. That being said I still love the idea of the playoff system because it boils down to one key concept – prove it on the field.
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do you really feel that the BCS determines the best team though...
lately with few teams making it through the season unscathed anymore it seems to come down to when you lose often times and even sometimes then it doesn’t matter who it’s to.
both in 2007 and 2008 we have seen the human polls ultimately sway the vote to play out as they wanted.
07’ after the mess that ensued in the final weeks basically the college football minds of the world “decided” in their infinite wisdom to vote OSU and LSU into the final despite both being considered largely out of the discussions thanks to a late season loss by OSU to Illinois and LSU to Arkansas. What made either of those losses anymore acceptable than 11-2 Missouri who had just recently lost to Oklahoma?
Now I get that you then get into the argument of how can a team be in the national title if they can’t win their conference title, but the Big 10 doesn’t play every team so it can’t truly be justified in my mind.
I honestly just can’t even give credit to the BCS because there are too many holes in it with the parity that is evolving in college football. Maybe in the mid-late 90’s this was still valid but anymore you’ve got the crazy upset like Oregon State over USC last year…almost becoming an expected outcome somewhere across the country.
and for some teams to be written off after one loss, while others are still very much in the mix after a couple…is beyond subjective and that’s how the human polls can skew and ruin the ultimate idea behind the BCS when it was started.
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I didn't say I necessarily support the BCS
(Eh – I wrote this comment like six times – and I still can’t put together what I want to say)
But what I meant by the BCS being the ONLY system (since other sports use the playoff), you are generally going to get a matchup of the top teams in the nation. Whether it determines either the 1-2, 2-3, or the 1-3 matchups that we all think should happen, it eliminates the 4’s, 5’s, and so on’s from being crowned the best team in college football – which is what the BCS is intended to do.
Maybe it’s just me, but I’d rather see the #3 team in the nation beat the 1 or 2 team and be crowned “National Champions” than a cinderella team stealing the crown. Or heaven forbid the #1 team actually winning it all…..
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I agree with that...
but I would tend to think that even in a playoff scenario, similar to the NCAA bball tourney…typically the cream does rise to the top for the most part.
and as far as putting together what you want to say…no worries, I find myself having the same problem with this argument…it sounds so good in my head then I go back and read and I’m sometimes not sure what I mean anymore :D
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No one likes the BCS, because it is not a playoff system.
We like playoff systems because they are exciting and include more teams.
Just because we do not like the BCS system does not mean it is less effective in setting up a championship game between the two best teams in the nation. I beleive it does this job much better than the playoffs. But I still don’t like it.
I prefer an exciting post season playoff more than I like a single game between two of the better teams in the nation. I know my preference makes it less likely that the best team in the nation will be crowned, but what the hell. It’s just a game. I’m in it for fun, not the search for truth.
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agreed...
and that’s probably why I’m so partial to deciding it on the field…the 07’ scenario is probably the most jumbled though and could be looked at as nearly 10 teams with arguments for being the best or at least being afforded the opportunity in that 1 BCS title game to show that.
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VERY valid point, JQ.
My thinking is this:
While you are right about the best team not always winning in the playoffs, what it does (and what I said throughout the post) is it gives you that opportunity to control your own destiny. You have that chance and you have to take it by the balls and make the most of it.
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by Andy Edwards on May 26, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Alsp, the longer you make a playoff system for CFB,
the more and more top teams are going to get knocked out, just because of the number of games they play.
No system in the world is perfect, I don’t think, so we just have to take the good with the bad and try and minimize the flaws.
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by Andy Edwards on May 26, 2009 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Controlling your own destiny.
I love that concept. So, why not expand the playoffs and allow 16 or 32 teams to control their own destiny? And why not eliminate the two tier system to all all teams to control their own destiny? I love your play off idea and how your system levels the playing field (at least among the Top Flight teams) but what I don’t like is how exclusive it is come playoff time.
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In essence,
it is an eight team playoff. With two teams from each group playing for the group championship, that is, in essence, a first round game.
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by Andy Edwards on May 26, 2009 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions
if I'm not mistaken...
D1AA, D2, and D3 all do a 32 team playoff and while I’ve never closely followed I do know a guy that went to Montana and a few that went to Southern Illinois and the feeling is that the system is a great one.
I like 32 teams myself…let’s see that makes 5 extra games for the eventual title winner, that might be tough.
Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.
That's the thing.
That’s why i went short playoff – so many added games. You’d be playing up to 18 or 19 games that way. That’s NFL length.
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by Andy Edwards on May 26, 2009 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions
I would not be upset in the least...
when football season is done, it’s a sad day…add 5 more weeks to it for me and I’m a happy camper…purely selfish reasons though, I completely agree that’s a long road for a college athlete.
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by Owen Kemp on May 26, 2009 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
More football = Better Life
Eliminate the conference championship games. Regular season at 11 games. 32 team playoff means that only two teams in the nation would end up playing 16 games. I think that is entirely reasonable.
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that was my initial thought too...
go back to the 11 game reg season, although I started seeing this as difficult because anymore most BCS programs guarantee season ticket holders 6 home games per year.
What would really be great but not possible based on the size of some of these conferences is if for instance in the Big 12 they played 11 games, all in conference and that determines what teams get to represent in the playoff. Problem comes into play with some of these mega conferences with more than 12 teams…
…and to think when this whole Big 12 thing started I thought 12 was too many.
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The only way to determine who is best is on equal terms...
To me this is a false argument for any competition that has a large number of participants. From my perspective, the only way to really determine the best is if every team plays every other team on neutral terms. So either the teams must play a ton of games, or the league becomes very small, or you have to create another system for determining the champion and you leave figuring out who is ‘best’ for the sportswriters and fans.
The current set up is much weaker than the one offered here. First it has less games, so right off the bat you are limiting the amount of evidence a team can mount for why it is the best. Second there are imbalances in schedules. No non-conference schedule is alike and no conference determines its champion in the same way. Even this system still could have regional imbalances, but at least each team faced the same set of expectations going into the season. While I like the idea of a rematch for the group champions, the regional imbalances could be helped by pitting the #2 team from each group against the #1 team in another group. How the matchups would be determined could be tough but it would at least correct for the fact that one region might actually have the two ‘best’ teams.
but at least each team faced the same set of expectations going into the season.
THAT is EXACTLY the point of it, Ricky. Thanks for the kind words as well.
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by Andy Edwards on May 29, 2009 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Fun topic and the potential to make a whole assortment of comparisons.
I’ll stick with college bball since it’s more what I know, but speaking as someone who does like football too it leaves a lot to be desired in this department. I couldn’t even imagine college basketball without the system that it has in place. I also can’t honestly think of another sport like college football that leaves so much of the decision making to a poll or ranking system. Rankings are fun in labeling the best teams but in the end I really want to see a team win it to claim that.
That's what we do at Kansas, we WIN.
by Ghost of Mark Randall on May 26, 2009 11:11 AM CDT reply actions
Thank you, SlowDance AKA rockchalk
for the special Front Page love. I did work long and hard on this, and I appreciate the recognition.
Trey-Hillman-I'm-A-Dumbfuck-Giveaway-Counter: 4 (as of April 23rd)
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random question...
but looking at the regional breakdown…who does everyone see as the toughest? weakest? Perennial power team with the greatest advantage? disadvantage
I guess if it were me I’d say the Southeast and the East look pretty brutal with the West being the least intimidating
Perennial team with the greatest advantage to get out of their “pool” alive has to be USC
and while they aren’t exactly a perennial power Notre Dame might be in serious risk of falling off the map in this system…I’d bet they’d be bottom flight in a hurry.
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Notre Dame
That’s the great thing about it. This system makes a team have to PERFORM ON THE FIELD to stay in the Top Flight and to have any dream of competing for anything of significance at the end of the season.
Also, I would agree about where the power seems to lie, but still at the same time, there are at least a couple games in each group (and would be every year with teams moving up and down) that would be against “lesser competition.” I hate to characterize it as that, but that’s the best way I can think to word it.
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by Andy Edwards on May 26, 2009 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed.
Kick ND out of their “I’m an independent so I deserve more than you” thing.
by divinebovine on May 26, 2009 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Another interesting impact of this format...
might be in recruiting. With a regional based format I could see the draw for kids to stay in the region they grew up in even more of a pull then before.
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Wow. this is one hell of a post.
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by Andy Edwards on May 26, 2009 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
kc you formulate your position and explain it much better than all those schlumps at ESPN combined. keep up the good work bud.
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Great post KC.
And I though you hadn’t been here for a while because you were off on a summer vacation bender. Shame on me. :D
by hunter s. royal on May 26, 2009 6:27 PM CDT reply actions
ME?!?!
How could one ever think such a thing? Haha, thanks for the kind words, hunter.
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by Andy Edwards on May 26, 2009 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Holy freaking crap this is awesome.
Yes, I’m a Longhorn fan and even did the quick math to notice OU would have won the tiebreaker, but it would be hella more fair than the BCS junk. Congrats. Very well thought out.
My only concern off the top of my head is Houston should definitely stay in the region as Rice. I love me some Bayou Bucket games. Same for most rivalries, just try to keep them together in the same regions.
I really wish everything wasn’t driven by money in the BCS and conferences. We might actually get something along these lines. Again, great post man.
Thank you very much for the kind words.
On the note of the Houston-Rice rivalry, that is a valid point. I would agree that trying to keep as many rivalries together as possible would be smart to do, but I found when putting the teams in the regions, that there literally were just not enough teams to fill out the West group in full, so i had to steal a team or two from the Midwest, then steal a teams or two from the East or Southeast that were borderline to fill the void left by the new team in the West. Minor technicalities like that could be worked out in case of a rivalry.
Again, thanks for the kind words.
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by Andy Edwards on May 26, 2009 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions
This is indeed awesome...
I loved this post and really wish there was some way to implement it. The European flights ala soccer is always something I have loved. Plus it has the added benefit of being used as a punishment for violations. Get caught in illegal recruiting…drop to the lower flight. Get caught helping players cheat in the classroom…drop down to the lower flight.
Also, as a Longhorn fan I should note for divinebovine that Texas would actually play OU for the group championship under the tiebreaker rules since they would beat Tech on point differential. While I think that promotes running up the score too much, I like the fact that the region isn’t decided just by regular season record but also has a neutral-site championship rematch which could correct for home field/home refereeing advantages during the regular season.
is there a way to make this like sidebarred. because I know over at phinsider they have that option. so i make a motion that this is eternally memoralized in the rockchalk side bar
I believe in John Beck and that Cbdolphin is the man. I'll make you proud LCFF
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Longest Sig In the History of Phinsider belongs to Me. 53 Lines in Total.
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No offense to KC...
but I’m not sure if we had a hall of fame, if this would be in it…
….let’s be honest, “eternally memorialized” posts need to shake our inner fanhood to the very core of it’s being.
This post is an excellent theory and a GREAT topic of conversation, but I do believe KC has better in him…so, I personally think it will run it’s course as a recommended fanpost and the word spread by those of us here who think he has done well…but a hall of fame work, I think KC himself would not deem this his crowning achievement, but more a sign of his potential and in the end a footnote to a long and prosperous career.
:D
PS…you wouldn’t happen to be his alter ego would you…he once had a pretty damn long sig over here as well…
Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.
Hmmm, he also apparently has a twin in jco8394;
Let’s hope KC hasn’t found a cloning machine. :)
by hunter s. royal on May 27, 2009 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions
he can take your job lol
I believe in John Beck and that Cbdolphin is the man. I'll make you proud LCFF
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by finsxfactor on May 28, 2009 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Way to go KC
great stuff. I come to RockChalk and see a hell of a post and it’s from you? No way! Nah just kidding, you’ve had good ones before.
BTW, I’m about to make my fantasy baseball push and pull away from everyone
by I need more Esteban on May 30, 2009 3:07 PM CDT reply actions

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