Banter topics, some of which are related to KU sports
by James Quinn on May 21, 2009 4:04 PM CDT
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Just some random banter topics to give us things to talk about.
Crimson and Cream Machine published a story about the greatest KU alumni to play in the NFL. He thinks John Riggins has an edge over Gale Sayers.
CCM also took Chuck Woodling of the LJ World to task for bringing up an old grudge against Wayman Tisdale in a story he published the day after Tisdale's death. I can’t say I disagree with CCM's take on this matter.
Bob Kravitz of the Indianapolis Star is another newspaper reporter not showing his best side this week. Kravitz picked a fight with the SB Nation blog Stampede Blue and comes out of the whole mess looking childish and small minded. My two cents, Kravitiz is a great example of how bad newspaper sports reporting often is, and thus one of the driving forces behind the growth of internet sports reporting. The more Kravitz says the better Stampede Blue looks.
The latest victim of the recession, the entire athletic department at the University of New Orleans. Unless something drastic happens soon UNO will close their entire athletic department over the summer. New Orleans Hornets owner George Shinn is attempting to head a rescue effort.
Kansas State fans are in a world of hurt right now. Apparently former AD Bob Krause had a secret agreement with former football head coach Ron Price that will cost the KSU athletic department not $1.2 million, but $4.4 million, for firing him without cause. According to Kansas State not even the president of the university knew about the secret deal. The school has filed suit to invalidate the pact.
In a non-sports related shout out, Bob Herbert’s NY Times op-ed on veterans and mental dysfunction is excellent. This topic plays a substantial role in my own research and I think Herbert gets to a core argument very well in a short essay.
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My wife will be happy you've given the rowing team props...
she was on the team while at KU
Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.
Huh, I thought this was the first year for the team.
Was this the first “official” year for the team? Or am I completely confused.
www.rockchalktalk.com for pretty good KU baseball coverage
no not their first year...
I believe this is the first year that a Big12 “Championship” has been held but the Women’s Rowing team has been competing for a while. They also just got a boathouse this year.
They may have been much more a hidden commodity but they’ve been around
Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.
1st year
1st official year was 1996 I believe. I rowed/coached for the men’s club program when the women’s team started. This year was the 1st year there was a championship sanctioned by the B12 conference as there are now 4 teams (OU started this year).
Here are the national rankings for women’s rowing http://www.row2k.com/polls/index.cfm?cat=college&ID=246&type=Collegiate%20Rowing%20Coaches%20Association/USRowing (notice no KU)
The computer rankings http://www.row2k.com/polls/files/cMaxWV805202009.xls
by bt01 on May 21, 2009 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
KU women
are ranked 42 by the computer.
Sorry for giving way too much information about rowing.
Denver – did when did your wife row?
wife rowed...
in 01’ 02’ I think couldv’e been 02’ 03’
Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.
one of her roomates in college was a coach..
for a year or two after she graduated as well…when the whole boathouse thing got started
Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.
nope...we haven't been back for long enough...
since it’s been complete to see it…we have a lot of family in the KC area so when we get back it’s usually pretty hectic and we make it to a Lawrence for a football or bball game but that’s about it. We got an invite for the dedication but just haven’t had the opportunity yet.
Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.
No no, not too much info on rowing. It's all good.
In fact, feel welcome to write about the team at any time. That is what this site is all about. Getting information and news out there about topics that the other media outlets ignore.
Just something to think about. Next year you could write diaries about the team during the season. We can push them to the front page.
Just my point of view, but the more sports covered, the better. There are a lot of teams that do not receive any coverage in the newspapers. RCT is a logical outlet for news on these “under the radar” teams. I’d love it if people would step forward to write about the women’s basketball team, softball, soccer, volleyball, etc. We all know that those sports have fan bases.
www.rockchalktalk.com for pretty good KU baseball coverage
by James Quinn on May 21, 2009 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Thundercats HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
haven’t seen you in awhile bt….glad to see we have a local rowing expert
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UNO
As big-time college sports become more and more of a business, I wonder how the relationship with their actual universities will evolve.
If Kansas Athletics eventually became essentially a minor league athletic club with no real tie to KU, would it effect your support of Jayhawk sports? How important to you is the actual tie to academics, and how much of your support simply comes from the locale/history of the programs themselves?
by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on May 21, 2009 8:09 PM CDT reply actions
If they were still called the Kansas...
Jayhawks, nothing would change for me and honestly as they evolve I don’t foresee much that could change my feeling. As long as they where Crimson and Blue, play in Lawrence have the name Kansas on the Uniform and the Jayhawk as the mascot, they represent what I support.
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This is such a complicated topic.
In many ways this is already the reality. The scholarship athelites are often seperated from the main student body. Their lives are not “normal” for college students.
I like the long history of the teams associated with the University of Kansas but I recognize for the big time sports, football, basketball and to a lesser degree women’s basketball and baseball, that many of the players are here for sports first, and an education second. I think the minor league analogy is a pretty good one for the top tier players on those teams. And this doesn’t cause me to enjoy following them less. I’m a sports fan and I’ll cheer for the local team.
www.rockchalktalk.com for pretty good KU baseball coverage
complicated...
and a great topic too…and I have to agree that especially in the revenue sports and sports with lucrative professional leagues this is essentially already the case. At least if you want to be competitive.
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I'm usually happy to diss the Wildcats,
but this developing story is almost too ugly too make fun of. This could cripple their athletic programs for a long time, especially if Wefald(likely) or Snyder(less so) gets entangled in it.
by hunter s. royal on May 21, 2009 11:26 PM CDT reply actions
Crew always bugged me.
They sucked the most money out of the Club Sports budget.
Denver – wasn’t Crew still a club sport in 01-02?
I've got crazy flipper fingers!
They are actually 2 separate things...
Crew is a club sport supported by the Club Sports budget whereas KU Rowing which is what my wife participated in is actually budgeted and part of the KU athletic department with coaches paid by the dept etc. They had all the tutors, access to facilities and all that stuff which I’m not sure club sports do. I always found it strange that there were two separate things myself.
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I only ask
because I remember when applying for University aid and admission of the KU Ice Hockey Club into the Club Sports program, Crew was held up as the ideal model as they had started out the same way and became a scholarship program.
I've got crazy flipper fingers!
it's possible that Rowing started as Crew...
but there are now two separate programs…not sure how it all works and is differentiated but I do recall my wife explaining that to me one day when the Crew Club was recruiting on campus.
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KU Club Baseball
Back in 2007 the captain of the KU Club baseball team was a student in one of my classes. If I remember correctly he told me that the team received almost no direct financial support from the university. I know they did fund raisers to pay for travel costs and such. They drove vans to away games, some as far away as New Mexico and Arizona.
The captain had been on the NCAA D-I team for at least one year as a non-scholarship player but not retained. I think there were a couple of players with similar backgrounds. The NCAA put a 35 man roster limit rule into effect this year and KU had to let go several players who, in previous years, would have made the team. I know one of the players, Zach Thoma, transferred to Central Michigan. I wonder if some of the others ended up on club teams. It wouldn’t surprise me. They were already playing without scholarships so it was love of the game that kept them involved.
www.rockchalktalk.com for pretty good KU baseball coverage
by James Quinn on May 22, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions
Club Sports
I played on the ultimate frisbee team during my time at KU, and it was honestly my favorite thing about college. We drove all over the country in vans and cars to play in weekend tournaments, and it was a blast. The team is one of the better programs in the country, and is actually at the national championships this weekend. If you’re interested, you can follow the scores here:
http://www.upa.org/scores/tourn.cgi?div=127&id=5931
We never got a ton of money from the school, but it was enough to get by. The athletic department is pretty good about giving fundraising opportunities- we used to clean the Fieldhouse after games, give out stuff at football games, etc.
by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on May 22, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions
This has really been an interesting little discussion….
learning a lot about the different clubs etc…didn’t realize we had an ultimate frisbee club let alone that they were National Championship caliber :D
also didn’t know that we had a baseball club separate from the baseball team.
Anyone know if they still have a wrestling club…I always found it odd that in a conference like the Big12 where wrestling is so big that KU had zero involvement.
Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.
Dunno about wrestling
it was a casualty of the Title IX cuts shortly before Fredricks retired.
There is a budget for Club Sports. The University has a matching program based upon the size of the group and the amount of money raised by the group.
I know that some of the larger more successful clubs received $10,000 plus a year from the school.
Not sure what the Hockey Club is getting now but they’re doing a LOT better now than when we first started up.
I've got crazy flipper fingers!
maybe they'll make it...
all the way to true D1 status…I went to the Frozen Four last year when it was in Denver and it was a blast.
Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.
Well, they play
in DII in the ACHAA
It is a college club hockey organization.
There are some solid DI ACHAA clubs in the Big XII, Iowa St being the best. I know there have been some Big XII hockey tournaments. We had one when I played, OU, OSU, WSU, and KU.
Mizzou’s team folded a few years before we started up so sadly, I never had a chance to play in a Border War game…
I've got crazy flipper fingers!
Wrestling is having a rebirth in KS in the smaller schools.
Baker and Newman have programs now and quite a few juco’s. I heard the other day that Kansas has 21 wrestlers going to D1 programs next year. KU or KSU could get a pretty good program going, well K-State can’t afford to add a new program at this moment.
If you were thinking, you wouldn't have thought that.
Rowing Club team
started as co-ed in the 1977. The women went varsity (for title IX reasons) and University hired the head coach of the club (Rob Catloth) to coach the newly formed women’s team. Rob was my coach in college, The club program still has women rowing for it, and competes against other club programs. The actually have their own national championship that is going on right now.
http://www.americancollegiaterowing.com/
The only entry I can find for KU is a men’s novice 4 (new rowers in a four oared shell). They are on to the semi-finals.
As a rule of thumb the club competes as KU Crew, and the Varsity team competes as KU Women’s Rowing.
Another topic on here that's pretty interesting is...
the Kravitz vs. Big Blue Shoe deal…very good stuff and I know here in Denver the media is definitely feeling a little threatened by Blogs.
It truly is to the point now where Mile High Report is viewed as almost the authority on the Broncos outside of National media outlets. Local media is being pretty much skipped over at this point and not providing much substance at all. MHR has become huge, been featured on numerous television outlets during interviews with their head guy and it’s definitely become a trusted outlet.
Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.
Anyone who read the Kravitz "column" which started the whole dust up
would immediately understand why Stampede Blue gets so much traffic. The guy is pretty much equal parts jerk, idiot and shouting mouth. And his behavior during the radio interview? Is he trying to be a shock jock or a sports reporter?
www.rockchalktalk.com for pretty good KU baseball coverage
by James Quinn on May 22, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions
it was definitely a one sided argument...
Big Blue made some very valid points while Kravitz pretty much shouted over him with nothing of substance…just the “I’m held accountable”, “Who do I call…Big Blue Shoe”
Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.
And Kudos to you James for posting under a real name, in Kravitz’s world you are a real journalist and everyone else is a weenie.
I’m still a weenie :D
Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.
of course mine morphed out of just being a casual poster...
and I didn’t really want random people emailing me etc when I was just a lurker/poster…I suppose I could change it, maybe.
Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.
perhaps...
they’re are reasons for my weenieness if you will, maybe I’ve infiltrated the program and want to avoid discovery
Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.
maybe I am...
Toben Opurum
Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.
nah...I'm lyin
I’ll use my real name someday, if I ever get to the point where I’m writing anything that really demands that I be held accountable. For the most part my stuff is pretty basic, I haven’t really called anyone out, made an outlandish statements or anything like that and if I do then I’ll make the change.
However, I did graduate from the Journalism School and took media ethics, nothing wrong with pen names as I recall…which I suppose that’s what this is…anyway I’m not a total fraud :D
Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.
I made the switch when SB Nations upgraded their web sites.
I was “JQ” for my first couple years at Royals Review and here. I switched because a few of my articles were picked up by traditional outlets like the KU Athletics home page and the College Baseball Blog. It just seemed to make more sense at that point. I also was under the impression that if I used my own name reporters would be less inclined to “borrow” material published here without extending credit.
Anyway, If he offered it, I would accept Kravitz’ respect with almost complete indifference. I’ve seen enough of his work to know his opinion is little value. He may think using his own name makes him “accountable,” but he seems to not recognize the low quality of his material makes him “of no account” as a sports writer.
www.rockchalktalk.com for pretty good KU baseball coverage
My Banter Topic
When does football start?
by I need more Esteban on May 22, 2009 11:36 AM CDT reply actions
soon...Esteban...very soon...
I’m dying in anticipation myself….
Did have a few recruit conversations lately and I think we’re going to get one more Toben Opurum interview up a couple days before he heads up to KU…thought it might be appropriate considering his role might be substantially more important depending on the Crawford situation.
Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.
thats what I'm talking about
are there some summer workouts that are media friendly or is it mostly just weight training and the like?
by I need more Esteban on May 22, 2009 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions
to my knowledge there is nothing...
“media” or “fan” friendly until the fall…most of the guys will be back or arriving on campus around the June 6th-9th time frame primarily for summer workouts. SuperJayhawk camp which will have some recruits where we could see some new offers and possibly commitments flowing will happen also around that June 9th time frame.
I will say though that what got me most excited the other day was securing my Border War Tix
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This WR turned QB Robinson from IL
looks interesting, and what is the deal with WR Kadron Boone from FL? Slant won’t let me read the article.
by I need more Esteban on May 22, 2009 11:44 AM CDT reply actions
Robinson is a big kid...
and it’s clear we’re looking for at least one QB in this class but most of these guys also look like they could play other spots as well. Jacoby Walker seems to really like us and has named us a favorite on multiple locations. He’s a kid I wouldn’t mind having and could certainly play at some other positions as well.
The WR Boone out of Florida is being reported by the slant as an interested recruit at this point, not much else. He’s a rivals 250 guy and says he’d like to visit KU and that alone is something that wouldn’t have happened 3 years ago so that’s a positive for sure. He’ll be tough to snag, impressive offer list, but we’ll see.
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nice
the only player we have to get is Jazz King. The name alone would create so many nicknames and phrases.
by I need more Esteban on May 22, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions
I liked that name a lot too...
one other thing I noticed is it seems we’re casting a wider net than in years past and working to get into some states we haven’t had a presence in before. I imagine part of that is the turnover in staff but I also think that Kansas is starting to garner a little more respect and with another good year this season we might be able to start snagging a few here and there that want to play in the Big 12.
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