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Xavier Henry or Lance Stephenson

Rumors, rumors everywhere...when it stops time will tell.  We talked about it for a long time yesterday, what does Lances delay mean?  How will Calipari's move affect Henry? 

At one point it seemed to be common knowledge that Henry would be released from is letter of intent and head to Lawrence as a Jayhawk legacy and and incredible pickup late in the game for Coach Self. 

That lasted a few short minutes and then we're left wondering if either of these possible one and doners will be in a Jayhawk uniform next season.

Clearly the two most important people to the Jayhawks success in 09'-10' are Cole and Sherron but let's take a look one step further at the what if's.  What if Xavier Henry comes to Kansas?  What if Lance Stephenson comes to Kansas?  If your choosing one which fits better?  So many questions and so few answers.

Jump into the post for a breakdown...

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All right so first the tale of the tape.  What's different about these guys from a physical standpoint?  Truthfully not a whole lot.  Stephenson checks in at a sleek 6'5" 195 pounds while Xavier might have a little more physicality coming in at 6'6" nearly 210.  Just from a visual standpoint it's clear that Xavier probably has more strength or at least he's built in a way that would lead you to think he's the type that could  take a lot of contact and still finish around the rim.  That said Stephenson's videos show a player who is equally capable and extremely creative getting the ball in the bucket.

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The skinny on Xavier is this.  He's got a smooth stroke from outside but is equally effective scoring inside.  Realistically this guy is strong enough at times to post up down low and score from the block.  He can be very effective at breaking down his man off the dribble and elevates with ease to get his shot and score.  The biggest knock so far and likely only because he never needs to go to it is his mid range scoring.  From the sounds of things the guy is either popping threes or getting to the rim.  I've got no problem with either of those.  He'll certainly have to adjust to an elevated level of play in college and be careful to avoid the charging calls but a strong physical wing that can score could be deadly in the Kansas offense surrounded by Cole and Sherron.  

As for Lance, despite his smaller frame he also seems to rely on being physical to get his points.  One of the knocks on him is that he isn't as athletic or quick as some of the other shooting guards in the class, but I'll take that with a grain of salt.  Definitely more of a set shooter than Xavier and doesn't elevate nearly as well.  He does remind you of a Brandon Rush type in the sense that he doesn't look overly athletic all the time but he get's the job done and can create for himself which is a huge plus.  Another plus that Stephenson has shown is that mid range game that many high school guards don't display.  Lance is comfortable scoring from anywhere in the half court and again this is a great fit in a Kansas system that has two solid contributors now but seemed one scoring option away from being a serious contender. 

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Other concerns with Lance are his ability to handle strong defensive pressure.  My first thought here is how does he handle a team like Missouri who pesters you from whistle to whistle.  Secondly, there's the old selfish comment but as we've all witnessed this can often be blown out of proportion and based on the kids comments regarding winning and a Coach to take him to the next level I'm not hugely worried about this.  Besides if there is anything we need and Bill Self always seems happy to have, it's a guy who's confident and willing to bring his offense to the game every night.

Overall either one of these guys would be absolutely fantastic additions to the 09'-10' Jayhawks and possibly further.  Right now the prevailing thought ranges from the slim chance of getting both, to getting one or the other, to getting neither.  Who knows when this thing resolves but in the time being it's fun to think about the possibilities.

So with these differences in mind I ask you Rock Chalk Talkers, any preferences and who do you think we end up with? Henry, Stephenson, neither and why?

Do you want the more physical, slashing and athletic Kansas legacy?  Or do you want the more dynamic scorer, and the leading scorer in New York history?  Pluses? Minuses?  The other thing to take into account is who buys in better to the Kansas defensive philosphy?  Don't get me wrong I'd be happy with either or but for the good of the order I thought this might be a fun topic to dive into deeper.

Sidenote: Thanks to Esteban for the idea, it occured to me that after his poll went up that none of us really seemed to look real closely at these guys because I don't think we were expecting to be in the mix.  Spent a little time last night watching film and reading scouting reports so hopefully the quick breakdown can spur some more insight into why everyone picked who they did.

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Obviously piggybacking on Esteban's poll...

but I thought I’d give a little insight into the differences of these guys and see if that changes any thoughts or why you guys think one way or the other…

Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.

by Owen on Apr 1, 2009 9:14 AM CDT reply actions  

It seems like Lance Stephenson would fill the bigger team need.

Unless Aldrich does in fact decide to leave.

Question, does KU have two free scholarships? And if not, who gets the boot?

www.rockchalktalk.com for pretty good KU baseball coverage

by James Quinn on Apr 1, 2009 9:39 AM CDT reply actions  

well there was an article in the KC Star...

stating that Brady would give up his scholly if needed. I also think there is some expectation that someone might transfer. Nothing certain but Self seems confident in making it happen.

Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.

by Owen on Apr 1, 2009 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

sounds bad saying making it happen but...

I just mean that I think he must feel strongly that either someone is going pro or transferring or we likely wouldn’t still be pursuing…he’s stated he wouldn’t run anyone off

Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.

by Owen on Apr 1, 2009 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

I am a fan of Lance's...

scoring ability…seems pretty diverse and there are a lot of advantages to that. I wonder though how a guy who has been knocked for his lack of intensity on defense will adapt to Bill Self. I’m sure he’d be fine but I just see Xavier buying in more quickly due to his ties.

Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.

by Owen on Apr 1, 2009 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Come on!

Just look at how JR Giddens blossomed in Lawrence!

www.rockchalktalk.com for pretty good KU baseball coverage

by James Quinn on Apr 1, 2009 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

difference there though is...

JR wasn’t Self’s recruit, might have been part of the problem with buy in there

Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.

by Owen on Apr 1, 2009 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Good stuff

I’m glad you did this because after I put my answer to the poll question, I wanted reasons for my answer other than I was mad at Xavier for already passing us up.

Good breakdowns and after reading your post I’m almost leaning more towards Xavier now. His KU ties are something that are kind of cool too because of his parents….and getting his brother as a walk on would be pretty cool too.

Either way, I’d take one or the other….and unlike a lot of other people, I DON’T want both of them.

by I need more Esteban on Apr 1, 2009 10:09 AM CDT reply actions  

no way we get both, not enough room.

I myself am also a fan of the Kansas legacy piece that Xavier brings to the table. Plus I like his physical play…always good in Self’s system.

Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.

by Owen on Apr 1, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

yeah I know it's practically impossible

but a lot of people were kind of joking about it and the like….I’m saying that even if it were possible, I wouldn’t want both….I just don’t think it would be a good mix

by I need more Esteban on Apr 1, 2009 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

makes sense...too many chiefs

Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.

by Owen on Apr 1, 2009 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

I voted for Xaiver

on Este’s poll. BTW Este, I explainded waivers on last night’s thread but I guess you bailed before I put it up…

To me it seems that X has a better head on his shoulders right now than LS

The Snozberries taste like Snozberries

by labbadabba on Apr 1, 2009 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

take that away though...

who’s game would you rather have??

Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.

by Owen on Apr 1, 2009 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

The way you describe them

I think of X being more like Brandon Rush than LS.

I think X with his athleticism and his Midwestern roots also make me believe that he’ll be a better defender and more apt to buy into HCBS’ system.

X.

The Snozberries taste like Snozberries

by labbadabba on Apr 1, 2009 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Johnny Lawrence:

“X will be a Jayhawk as long as Self seals the deal quickly.”

THAT makes me feel really good. Coach will close.

by Andy Edwards on Apr 1, 2009 10:45 AM CDT reply actions  

how though, it's a dead period...

he can’t contact recruits right now…at least that’s my understanding.

Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.

by Owen on Apr 1, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

True.

But, there has to be some way around it, though, where he can let him know, maybe through an outside-third party, that he would take a commitment, or whatever he would have to say to close.

by Andy Edwards on Apr 1, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

well word is out there that Xavier and the family want a decision quickly...

possibly as early as this week so that might be a good sign.

Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.

by Owen on Apr 1, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

I asked JL what HCBS could do in the dead period. Waiting for an answer.

by Andy Edwards on Apr 1, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Speaking of dead period...

I’m not sure what a coach can or can’t do during a “dead period” but if Self can’t contact X then Calipari can’t either. Right?

Of course, even without the dead period, I don’t think a coach can contact X until he is released from his LOI. Any word if that has occurred yet?

by KU_Lew on Apr 1, 2009 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think where Cal might have had an advantage is in the fact that...

CJ, Xaviers brother was a player on Memphis so as long as he was the coach he could communicate with him. Not to mention I’m sure there are ways around it.

As far as the LOI goes. Henry and the Memphis AD have both confirmed that he had a clause in the LOI that if Cal leaves he’s released. Henry’s dad has said that after the MCD’s AA game tonight they will get back to OKC, get the release and resolve the issue quickly.

Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.

by Owen on Apr 1, 2009 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

I should have clarified my comment

Now that Calipari is no longer the coach at Memphis, I believe he is subject to the same rules as Self in regards to what contact he can have with X.

by KU_Lew on Apr 1, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

that is true...

but do any of us really believe that Calipari follows the same rules as Self…

BTW your extensive knowledge of the compliance concerns leads to further speculation the KU_Lew might be “THE LEW” :D

Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.

by Owen on Apr 1, 2009 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

I know

srsly – that’s what I keep sayin!

The Snozberries taste like Snozberries

by labbadabba on Apr 1, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mr. Perkins-

We were gonna ask YOU the same exact things!!

Haha, you’re right about not being able to contact while he is under a LOI, but he will be released very, very quickly.

by Andy Edwards on Apr 1, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think I would prever Xavier...

…but really, I just want to make sure we get one of them.

by tequilaprophet on Apr 1, 2009 10:50 AM CDT reply actions  

Exactly

That’s 100% how I feel. Right now I’d take either, but want one.

Or can I be greedy and say both? Haha

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by fetch9 on Apr 1, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

Buzz Killington

I have this uneasy feeling in the pit of my stomach that KU somehow strikes out on both Henry and Stephenson. KU flirts with X (and vice versa). It rubs Stephenson wrong and he goes elsewhere. X then turns his back on KU…again.

by KU_Lew on Apr 1, 2009 10:51 AM CDT reply actions  

thinking the same way myself...

I was very optimistic yesterday and then last night got a sinking feeling about the whole thing.

Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.

by Owen on Apr 1, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think X would be a better KU recruit, though I think that Lance has more natural talent. Henry reminds me more of Rush than Lance, and I think Henry can be a little passive at times as well. Lance will not be passive, and that isn’t a bad thing at all. Both have good size for the position. I think Xavier is more athletic and a littler smoother than Lance, but that’s not really a huge difference IMO. I also think Xavier plays defense. They are both great players, but I think Xavier is the better fit for KU, and I think Self has always known that (we went after X before Lance at all, and put Lance on hold now for X – so it seems). With that said, if Lance wants to come to KU, we should take him first because he hasn’t said “no” to us yet.

by SweedishHamma on Apr 1, 2009 11:52 AM CDT reply actions  

can't imagine Self wouldn't take Lance...

without question at this point…he may prefer Xavier but you can’t push off a player like Lance.

Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.

by Owen on Apr 1, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Has anybody mentioned character?

Just reading through an SI.com article on Stephenson:

looking to impress Kansas assistant coach Danny Manning at the end of the PSAL semifinal win, Stephenson called for the last shot. With the victory already in hand, point guard Darwin Ellis waved off his classmate, put the ball down and walked toward his sideline. Stephenson picked it up and dribbled slowly to the rim. Recoiling in mid-air, he lowered the ball and unwound a violent slam. “Coaches will remember that,” he said.

Or this:

he has faced added responsibility of late. Within the past year, he fathered a daughter, separately faced a Class B misdemeanor sexual assault charge stemming from an October incident in which, according to police, he allegedly groped a 17-year-old girl and watched his parents unplug the documentary cameras. Stephenson’s attorney, Alberto Ebanks, denies the accusations, saying, “I know the alleged victim was motivated to make this up. He will be cleared.” When asked if becoming a father and going through the pending court case affected him, Stephenson said, “I’m focused on basketball, not off the court things.”

The article also mentions how concerned Lance has been with creating a marketing brand for himself since junior high, right down to which brand of shoes he’s wearing. And he was in the process of being filmed for a documentary! I’m not opposed to recruiting one-and-dones, but I think character matters a lot too. I don’t necessarily want KU to follow in the Memphis/Calipari vein. And this guy is kinda making me uneasy all of a sudden, as if he would be coming to KU purely for self-promotion.

Apologies if someone has already mentioned this here, but I haven’t seen anyone discussing it.

by knayte on Apr 1, 2009 11:53 AM CDT reply actions  

It’s true. That’s been the elephant in the room since we started with Lance. Nobody was going to introduce that elephant. I would still welcome Lance, but that does worry me a lot to be honest.

by SweedishHamma on Apr 1, 2009 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

absolutely...character is always a concern...

probably why Self preferred Xavier at the start…he knows his background and family much, MUCH better.

Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.

by Owen on Apr 1, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Kinda a repost, but...

Having a kid? Accussations of sexual misconduct? You know who that describes? Sherron Collins. Would you guys say he has “character issues”? Would you say his “baggage” hurt this year’s team?

The fact is, nobody has any idea what kind of kid Stephenson will be when he gets to college. The lifestyle adjustment is huge- even for big time prospects like Born Ready. I know I changed a LOT when I got to college… didn’t you?

by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Apr 1, 2009 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

agree....

and reading that back my statement was more to say that coaches do consider character and I thought maybe Self’s initial preference for Xavier had something to do with his closer relationship with the family. Wasn’t meant to be a knock on Stevenson, more speaking to the time Self put in with the Henry family.

Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.

by Owen on Apr 1, 2009 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well Cal seems to be saying he's not going to pursue...

former recruits….

sure you aren’t Cal…

Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.

by Owen on Apr 1, 2009 12:29 PM CDT reply actions  

consider that lie #1 since becoming the Kentucky head coach

Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.

by Owen on Apr 1, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

SlowDance-

I know you will not be around ’til much later this afternoon, but I know you were asking about this last night; this is from the head bball mod at JS:

“Xavier is the top priority. Imo, he is the better player and has a better outside shot.”

by Andy Edwards on Apr 1, 2009 12:47 PM CDT reply actions  

Damned Internet Filters

I’m a Slant subscriber and I can’t access the site from work. Drives me crazy on days like yesterday and today. I should have worked from home today. By all means, keep passing along any tidbits you see on the Slant – particularly those nuggets from Flyin’ Squirrel and JohnnyLawrence. Thanks.

by KU_Lew on Apr 1, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mr. Perkins-

Why would they filter that out at the KU AD office? Doesn’t make any sense to me. Shouldn’t you be able to do something about it, anyway?

And, will do. But, seriously, get one of your assistants to fix that for you. Use that SWAGGAAA that we got back last year! :D

by Andy Edwards on Apr 1, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Gotta keep up the illusion that I’m not Mr. P.

by KU_Lew on Apr 1, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

I understand.

Wouldn’t want Coach Self knowing that you are speculating about recruits. I totally get it. Besides, everybody loves RCT so much, how could you not be a part of all this?

by Andy Edwards on Apr 1, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

doesn't sound like anything will happen until tomorrow at the earliest...

got to get back from the MCD’s AA game and sit down with the fam

Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.

by Owen on Apr 1, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't have a subscription to JS

How much is that and is it worth the money?

by tequilaprophet on Apr 1, 2009 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

it's $10 bucks a month...

I think it’s pretty useful stuff over there if you want to know everything about recruiting. Format isn’t quite as conducive to discussion as here I don’t think but they have a great staff and very connected.

Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.

by Owen on Apr 1, 2009 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Second that.

The early insider info. that you get over there is plentiful. I will subscribe ’til the day it closes.

by Andy Edwards on Apr 1, 2009 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

SMH

It seems people are sleeping on lance. This is a kid who scored about 35 points on Jamal Crawford as a freshman in HS while playing at Rucker park. A kid who have OJ Mayo a lil run for his money as a 14 year old compared to the top junior in the country regardless of class. A kid who dominated the Elite 24 every year since the game started. I’m talking, outshining OJ, Beasley, Rose, and most recently John Wall. Now I’m not saying he’s better han any of them. but this kid is nothing to sleep on. He is the best player in NY history. Do you want to go down the list? Kemba Walker, Telfair? Edgar Sosa, Devin Ebanks, Slyven Landesberg, and many legends to NY basketball including many pros. He is the best. While I’m not saying he would fit over Henry, it seems some of you don’t really understand the type of player we are talking about. He’s not 195 either. He is at least 210 now. Yes he made some mistakes, but don’t forget, a lot of these decisions are being made by adults around him when it comes to marketing. His parents are probably the reason why he waited to commit up until now. To get the spotlight. I hear his father is very active in this. As for fathering a child? How maany of these ball players do you think aren’t having sex? For petes sake 2 and 3 star players get more girls than you can imagine. Do you know what goes on at the hotels during AAU tournaments? You’d be shocked. Just because he has a kid doesn’t make him any different than any of these guys except for the fact that he got someone pregnant. I’d be more worried if he had assault charges or was caught with drugs or something. Everything said about him is nothing new for a 18 year old who has been told he was te best since he was a kid. Just another lesson in life. Do you know how many kids Dwyane Wade had before getting drafted? Like 3 I read.

by jayski on Apr 1, 2009 3:35 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

way to make an entrace Jayski...

welcome to the site, and I don’t think anyone is sleeping on the guy and would love to have them. In all honesty I think what you’ve got is a situation where fans feel like there chance is gone with Lance so now we are going to rationalize Henry perhaps.

I do think that Lance shows an unbelievable ability to score and I’ve also said the personality “issues” should be taken with a grain of salt for a variety of reasons.

Point is if the winds shifted and Lance was in Lawrence no one and I mean no one would give it a second thought, the guy would be embraced in a big way.

Thanks for the perspective though, hadn’t heard some of those stories regarding his rucker park exploits.

Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.

by Owen on Apr 1, 2009 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Colors

Hell of a post. Agree completely. If Henry didn’t have KU roots, this wouldn’t even be a discussion, IMO. He had every opportunity to come to Lawrence, and he turned it down. So screw him- apparently he’s not interested in winning a national title next year.

by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Apr 1, 2009 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Man, this week is REALLY bringing the lurkers out!

I’ve been, I think, the main person vocally hoping for Lance over X, although I would take either. Everybody here has been calling out Lance for the attitude, child, etc. stuff, and I just haven’t shot back at it. But, I totally agree, jayski! And, welcome.

by Andy Edwards on Apr 1, 2009 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

i'm watchin the McDonald's game right now ...

Stephenson just looks to me like an inferior athlete to just about every other guy on the floor.
Henry looks pretty awesome.

by Danny Satan on Apr 1, 2009 7:33 PM CDT reply actions  

DeMarcus Cousins

looks less like a D1 athlete than any top recruit I’ve ever seen. I’m sure a lot of that is cause he doesn’t have to try too much in Mobile, Alabama.

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by fetch9 on Apr 1, 2009 7:42 PM CDT reply actions  

The Wear twins look terrible.

by SweedishHamma on Apr 1, 2009 7:56 PM CDT reply actions  

They are terrible.

I go to Mater Dei’s rival high school, Santa Margarita.

They are good, obviously, but aren’t nearly as good as most would expect.

by rockchalk on Apr 1, 2009 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

like Haley twin not good

Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.

by Owen on Apr 1, 2009 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

ughh

How did they both make the McDonald’s all American game? Is this a twin thing?

by jayski on Apr 2, 2009 1:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

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