Hey, Jason Whitlock: What?
I have a lot of things I should be writing. Despite seeming years away, the Michigan State game is only Friday, and I was planning on providing more preview content than simply the KP preview (along with Denver's nuts-and-bolts, of course). Not to mention other fun goodies that would be interesting to read, but those are mostly just ideas in my head, so we'll leave those alone for awhile.
Anyways, for now, I want to talk about Whitlock's latest article. Haven't read it? Do. It isn't one of those poorly-written articles that makes you angry as you read through it, or even one of those articles that Fire Joe Morgan rips to shreds because it doesn't make much sense. In fact, I agree with a lot of it.
But, still, I felt the need to address some of the questions he poses. So, for something a little different. If this goes well, maybe this will be more of a consistent thing. Who knows.
Here we go, here is how he starts the article off:
MINNEAPOLIS | It would be a shame if Kansas basketball players and their relatively small contingent of traveling fans left the Metrodome believing the Jayhawks proved this weekend they’re ready for a rematch against Michigan State.
“Sadly mistaken” doesn’t do justice to how little the Hawks demonstrated in advancing to the NCAA Tournament’s Sweet Sixteen with victories over North Dakota State and Dayton.
Well, that's just plain silly. And just about everyone disagress with you, Jason. We're only 1.5 point underdogs according to Vegas; I'm sure no one has ever come back from those devastating odds. According to KenPom, we're actually the favorite: projected to win by a single point, with a 55% chance to win. But we'd be "sadly mistaken", or even worse, to think we've got a shot. It isn't like we are rolling in already gameplanning for Louisville, or anything, but we definitely have a shot. But, whatever.
Rest of me having fun arguing with Jason's written word after the jump...
Dayton, the runner-up in the Atlantic 10, might be on par with Colorado, the last-place team in the Big 12. Yes, in November Dayton beat Auburn and Marquette on back-to-back nights. November is college basketball’s exhibition season. The results shouldn’t count.
See, Jason, it's like you go out of your way to lose all credibility. Wait, was that your point? Did you say something so absolutely ludicrous as to convey your true sarcasm? If so, I take it all back: you're a genius. But, somehow, I doubt that's what you were going for. And I realize KenPom's stats aren't everything (and, actually, KP is awfully down on the Flyers, too), but here is how they match up:
Overall -- Dayton (77) vs. Colorado (171)
Offense -- Dayton (150) vs. Colorado (203)
Defense -- Dayton (29) vs. Colorado (149)
Yikes, Jason. That ain't exactly close. But hey, maybe you don't wanna believe in that stuff. OK. Dayton didn't lose a game at home all year. Their worst road loss was against Charlotte or St. Louis or UMass; take your pick. They all are 130ish teams who had losing records. Certainly not defensible losses. Of course, the Buffs lost at home to Montana State, TCU (a comparable team to Dayton's trio of bad losses) and in Dallas to SMU. Yeah, I'll take the Flyers.
After offering that bit of context, let me say emphatically that Aldrich’s triple-double on Sunday was the least impressive I’ve had the pleasure to witness.
Oh, well my apologies. Who knew that you were the triple-double expert, the man who determined just how valid and 'true' triple-doubles are? I'll never evaluate a triple-double again, without first asking you your thoughts on whether it deserves to be called it, or not.
The second-seeded Spartans, who spanked Kansas in January, looked like a national-title threat on Sunday in their close victory over a highly skilled Southern California squad. Michigan State looks better when it plays outside the Big Ten — all the Big Ten teams do. The style of play in the conference is so physical that the teams beat each other up and look bad doing it.
This was the quote that stuck out so much to me, the thing that prompted me to write this post. So let me get this straight: Michigan State is better than they appear, as all teams are in the Big Ten, because they look so bad playing the rough-and-tough style of their conference. However, he's just spent the vast majority of his article talking about how terrible Kansas looked....in a rough-and-tough game eerily reminiscent of Big Ten games. Yes, I know, it's hard to keep up, but I believe that Whitlock's logic goes something like this:
"Y'know, Michigan State is freaking awesome, man. Sure, they didn't look that good in Big Ten play, when they lost to non-NCAA teams Penn State and Northwestern at home, but who the hell cares? Everyone looks terrible in the Big Ten: hell, the Lakers wouldn't look like a National Title Contender in the Big Ten. It's just so physical and rough-and-tough and...physical. Maybe it's because of race? Who knows, but all I know is it's so damn tough. Now where's my donuts and pizza, I'm-a-starving"
And then, when asked about Kansas?
"Did you see their game against Dayton? They couldn't score, besides the Cole and Collins Show. It was embarrassing. Everyone on their team is basically worthless, besides the two stars. And guess where those two guys are from? Big Ten Country, bitches. Don't you wish all of college basketball could be as awesome as the Big Ten? But Kansas certainly is not tough, in any way or sense or anything. They just can't score man. Now, where my cheeseburgerz?
Somehow, someway, they aren't the same. If I know anything about basketball, Sunday afternoon's Kansas-Dayton game was entirely reminiscent of a Big Ten basketball game. The same type of game Michigan State repeated 18 times over 3 months, with only the cloors and locales differing. But, it makes the Spartans a bona fide National Title contedner, and Kansas a joke of a team with two stars and a worthless supporting cast.
Right, Whitlock?
Finally, we're presented with...this.
Good teams were tested this weekend and passed those tests. The Jayhawks have yet to be pushed.
Yes, because last year's Kansas team was definitely tested on the first weekend. No offense to Lon Kruger or UNLV, but them and Datyon are awfully similar teams. Defensive awesomeness, who can't really shoot all that well and have one star (Wink Adams, Chris Wright) who can get to the rim with the best of them, from a kind-of-mid-major, kind-of-high-major conference, all while hiding in the shadows of a bigger conference team (Utah/BYU, Xavier).
How much did last year's Kansas team, the eventual National Champions, beat UNLV by?
Nineteen.
And Dayton scored 5 points in the last minute when we were playing Connor Teahan and Brennan Bechard and Matt Kleinmann.
There’s no reason to believe the Hawks can beat Michigan State.
Pfft. This is basically what you said to open the article, so no need to rehash the same arguments. And I understand, Jason, that you're trying to make radical statements to draw a rise out of Kansas fans. It's who you are as a columnist, and you're damn good at it too, if I do say so myself. But if you honestly believe that there is "no reason" that Kansas can beat Michigan State, I don't know what to tell you.
Except to merely tell you that we do have a chance.
It's as simple as that, Jason.
Note: I'm not quite sure how this turned out, and how much actual content anyone got out of that. If it ain't your thing, then you shouldn't be reading this. Oh, and like I said at the beginning, it really isn't that bad of an article. Just quite a bit condescending, and completely dream-killing. Unnecessarily, too.
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No need
to worry about all the things stated in the disclaimer at the end. You are totally spot-on on this. I read this Sunday night, and I was PISSED. I couldn’t believe he was saying that shit. But, then I realized this is just what Whitlock does, and shrugged it off. Yeah, that’s right… I, ME, of all people, just shrugged it off. He just wants a rise out of everybody, and he got it. Whatever. I know, and we know, but more importantly, Coach Self and the team that will actually go out and play Friday know, that we have a chance. A damn good on, too.
… Maybe Jason was just trying to give the team some bulletin board material. Nah, he really is just desperate enough for publicity to write something like that.
"I log on to RCT after school, and I see the 228 comments on this thread. I actually immediately panicked, because knowing KC, I figured some other fan from another school (most likely Mizzou) came over and said something stupid. Then, KC freaked out at him, and said something stupid (no offense, KC, but this really wouldn’t be that extraordinary for you to pull off) and then there was mass hysteria. I would have to ban people, and warn people, and it’d be mass chaos." - SlowDance
Odds-on favorite to win the "1st Annual Rock Chalk Talk Tournament Pick 'Em Contest" :D
What a bunch of horseshit
I’ve never had a big hate for Whitlock but that all changes now. That isn’t because he’s saying we won’t win, we very well might not, it’s that he is so entirely full of shit and obviously knows very little about the game of basketball. Check out this article that someone posted on the comments section from his article.
http://msn.foxsports.com/cbk/story/9350268/Here-are-10-picks-you-can-book
You have to read the whole thing so click on it but also read the excerpts I’ve picked out. Whitlock is picking games before the tournament to bet on.
2. Memphis minus 19.5 vs. Cal State Northridge: For my money, Northridge is the worst team in the tournament.
Good call Whitlock, you were spot on with this one.
Ohio State minus 3.5 vs. Siena: Why are the Buckeyes playing in Dayton? We’re talking about a mediocre Big Ten and a No. 8 seed getting a home game against a No. 9 seed.
It took overtime but way off again, better yet Siena played Louisville right down to the wire.
4. Florida State minus 2.5 vs. Wisconsin: Stick with the facts: 1. The Big Ten sucks; 2. The ACC is really good.
Nice Whitlock, because not only did you pick the game completely wrong, but you say the Big Ten sucks, I thought Michigan St. and the Big Ten was so great when it came to the tournament? CONTRADICTION
5. BYU minus 2 vs. Texas A&M: I just watched in stunned silence as Mark Turgeon completed the worst coaching performance of the season in the Big 12 tournament. You saw it or heard about it. Texas Tech’s Mike Singletary (not Baylor’s Mike Singletary) scored 29 straight points and single-handedly erased a 21-point, second-half deficit, leading the Red Raiders to an upset of A&M. Singletary was never double teamed. Turgeon sat and watched in the same stunned amazement as you and I. Turgeon figured Singletary’s “luck” would run out and he would miss. It never happened. A&M would be justified in firing Turgeon following this game. BYU 78-74.
Fire Turgeon? Really because he didn’t get A&M back to the tournament or anything. Also, nice pick on the game, A&M didn’t completely overmatch BYU or anything….oh yeah, you didn’t really know anything about BYU, yet you still chose to use this as a pick. Jackass.
6. Mississippi State plus 5.5 vs. Washington: The Bulldogs are rolling (six straight), and they can shoot from deep. That’s a terrific combination at this time of the year. Washington exploited a down year in the PAC-10. I’m not going to predict a winner in this game, but one of these teams will be hoisting up a three on the final possession to win or tie the game.
No, actually Washington kicked the crap out of a crappy team from a terrible conference.
And here comes the kicker of them all, read it and weep folks:
7. Dayton plus 8.5 vs. WVU: I like the Flyers. They remind me of the Ball State teams of my youth — deep, athletic and plenty of swagger. Dayton spanked Big East heavyweight Marquette in November, so the Flyers will have plenty of confidence. And the thing that makes 5 vs. 12 and 6 vs. 11 matchups so predictably unpredictable is that the lower seeds approach the first weekend like it’s the Final Four and the BCS schools approach them like business trips. A trip to the Sweet Sixteen is equivalent to a national championship to Dayton. West Virginia 77-75.
You like the Flyers huh? Didn’t you say in the above article:
Dayton, the runner-up in the Atlantic 10, might be on par with Colorado, the last-place team in the Big 12. Yes, in November Dayton beat Auburn and Marquette on back-to-back nights. November is college basketball’s exhibition season. The results shouldn’t count.
So on Wednesday the Marquette win is good but on Sunday it isn’t? Are you F’n kidding me? My opinion of Jason Whitlock has gone from indifferent to totally gone, I will never ever ever read an article from him and think that there is anything good about it.
These contradictions I just pointed out prove that he really knows nothing about college basketball and is just writing to get a rise out of people….well Jason, YOU GOT ME!
by I need more Esteban on Mar 24, 2009 11:56 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Should I send him
a link to this on Facebook? Hahaha.
"I log on to RCT after school, and I see the 228 comments on this thread. I actually immediately panicked, because knowing KC, I figured some other fan from another school (most likely Mizzou) came over and said something stupid. Then, KC freaked out at him, and said something stupid (no offense, KC, but this really wouldn’t be that extraordinary for you to pull off) and then there was mass hysteria. I would have to ban people, and warn people, and it’d be mass chaos." - SlowDance
Odds-on favorite to win the "1st Annual Rock Chalk Talk Tournament Pick 'Em Contest" :D
by Andy Edwards on Mar 25, 2009 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, he's got one,
and I’m friends with him.
"I log on to RCT after school, and I see the 228 comments on this thread. I actually immediately panicked, because knowing KC, I figured some other fan from another school (most likely Mizzou) came over and said something stupid. Then, KC freaked out at him, and said something stupid (no offense, KC, but this really wouldn’t be that extraordinary for you to pull off) and then there was mass hysteria. I would have to ban people, and warn people, and it’d be mass chaos." - SlowDance
Odds-on favorite to win the "1st Annual Rock Chalk Talk Tournament Pick 'Em Contest" :D
by Andy Edwards on Mar 25, 2009 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions
You should harass him until he takes you off his friends list
by I need more Esteban on Mar 25, 2009 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Haha, naaaaah,
some of his updates are quite comical. Wanna know how he chooses what to write his editorials on, when there is no game or anything specific to cover?
He asks for ideas from all his Facebook friends, and chooses one of them.
"I log on to RCT after school, and I see the 228 comments on this thread. I actually immediately panicked, because knowing KC, I figured some other fan from another school (most likely Mizzou) came over and said something stupid. Then, KC freaked out at him, and said something stupid (no offense, KC, but this really wouldn’t be that extraordinary for you to pull off) and then there was mass hysteria. I would have to ban people, and warn people, and it’d be mass chaos." - SlowDance
Odds-on favorite to win the "1st Annual Rock Chalk Talk Tournament Pick 'Em Contest" :D
by Andy Edwards on Mar 25, 2009 12:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Did you read the comments from the article rockchalk linked?
There were so many people calling him out saying that the KCStar people should realize they are helping their paper go under because of his garbage…There is truth to it, I mean some other fans would like to think that I or other KU fans are mad because he said we can’t beat Mich St. I disagree with that but it’s not crazy. But it is crazy to discount Cole’s effort, claim that Dayton didn’t deserve to be there when they won the damn game against the great Big East, and all the other bullshit he said to go along with all the other bullshit he said in the article I linked above….Anyways, fire Whitlock.
by I need more Esteban on Mar 25, 2009 12:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I have been back
a couple times since it was originially posted Sunday night, just to see some of those comments. Not really much to say, other than they are kinda right. I think the only solid writer left at the Star, day in and day out, that doesn’t just try to get a rise out of people, is JoePo. They better really hope he doesn’t jump town on ’em like Jason King did…
"I log on to RCT after school, and I see the 228 comments on this thread. I actually immediately panicked, because knowing KC, I figured some other fan from another school (most likely Mizzou) came over and said something stupid. Then, KC freaked out at him, and said something stupid (no offense, KC, but this really wouldn’t be that extraordinary for you to pull off) and then there was mass hysteria. I would have to ban people, and warn people, and it’d be mass chaos." - SlowDance
Odds-on favorite to win the "1st Annual Rock Chalk Talk Tournament Pick 'Em Contest" :D
by Andy Edwards on Mar 25, 2009 12:16 AM CDT up reply actions
great stuff esteban, i can't believe he would try to play both sides of the fence on Dayton like that...
and in what, less than a week? one chicago sports radio station has this thing they do every week called “who you crappin” where for a solid hour every thursday they have callers call in or e-mail about somebody totally contradicting their stance on something like Whitlock here… this would be perfect for that and they’d definitely get a rise out of it.
thats awesome
I bet that is a humerous hour
by I need more Esteban on Mar 25, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Ah, Jason King
I don’t think Jason King jumped town. He was KU’s beat writer (and a damn fine one) he was simply hired away. Whitlock and JoPo are high-profile columnists. Jason King will be a goodie for a while though, I wish him well.
The Snozberries taste like Snozberries
As someone already said, I never had much hate for Whitlock...
…actually, I never really read him because columnists never really seem to say anything important, especially in sports. That said, his column bothered me more on a professional level than on a sports fan one. He really didn’t seem to work much to back up his argument or anything. Sloppy writing just irritates the shit out of me, especially when it makes people think badly of my profession and of the paper I grew up reading.
Maybe they shouldn’t fire Whitlock but someone needs to at least smack him around a bit.
by tequilaprophet on Mar 25, 2009 12:36 AM CDT reply actions
+1
a public slap around would be fine
by I need more Esteban on Mar 25, 2009 12:39 AM CDT up reply actions
+2
He’s really reaching lately, with the whole Jack Harry thing, and now this…
"I log on to RCT after school, and I see the 228 comments on this thread. I actually immediately panicked, because knowing KC, I figured some other fan from another school (most likely Mizzou) came over and said something stupid. Then, KC freaked out at him, and said something stupid (no offense, KC, but this really wouldn’t be that extraordinary for you to pull off) and then there was mass hysteria. I would have to ban people, and warn people, and it’d be mass chaos." - SlowDance
Odds-on favorite to win the "1st Annual Rock Chalk Talk Tournament Pick 'Em Contest" :D
by Andy Edwards on Mar 25, 2009 12:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Ah, young rockchalk...
…you have learned well from reading BOTC. We have this routine down pat by now. Of course, we’re so used to it we don’t even really get mad anymore.
We'll carry the banner high!
Bring On The Cats
Whitlock has a knack for....
putting local teams in their place…all three schools receive the occasional favorable column from him but he revels in articles like this one for Kansas, Missouri and Kansas State…
Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.
I'm not too up in arms about it
Keagan wrote an article similar to this last week in LJWorld. Jason’s job is to stimualte readers and drive traffic. He has succeeded. He has written loads of complimentary commentaries this year on KU.
If you ask me, this article is a bit of a reach but I LOVE that the KU boys can read this in the home town newspaper and feel disrespected. Everyone is picking against them across the board.
The Snozberries taste like Snozberries
Screw him.
I am Jack's unbridled optimism.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Mar 25, 2009 2:49 PM CDT reply actions
I'm glad to see the site defend the hawks:
but sadly this is fairly typical for Whitlock nowadays. He’s got fantastic writing skills, but just seems to have a inner demon that makes him denigrate people. He’s always been controversial, but early in his career put considerably more effort into his craft, and the occasional contempt that snuck out was a little more easily tolerated. A few years ago he published a book about his 10 years in Kansas City, and it apparently signified his retirement from journalism. Since then he’s put little effort into disguising his lack of professionalism, and has just about burned all his bridges, getting canned from a prominent role on ESPN & greatly reducing his output for the Star. He used to use a fictional character in his columns called Lay Z. Jerk, who retired from his professional career before it even started after conning pro teams out of huge signing bonuses. That character may not be quite so fictional after all.
by hunter s. royal on Mar 25, 2009 4:23 PM CDT reply actions
Hasten Jason, get the basin, erplop, to late get the mop!
Dear whitless,
How many times must I tell you to wipe your mouth after you shit out of it, you Obama glitter slut magnet!…..someone actually pays you to upchuck that bile that spews from your glory hole called “your mouth”, ok maybe from your imagination and somehow finds its way on a newspaper,computer or scratched on a wall from an old hag locked up in a basement in jersey. Either way you tire us and rid you we must. Maybe we could lure you away from the key board with some chicken wings and Hooter’s sauce trailing to your next city that would love to pay you for you dumb ass opinion!
A KU FAN AM I,
TEARS OF BLUE I CRY.
THROUGH JOY AND PAIN,
I MAY BE INSANE,
A KU FAN AM I.
by 3 ball corner pocket on Mar 25, 2009 4:49 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
LIke I tried to say,
what’s funny is that the article didn’t even bother me all that much.
There was so much to play with, I figured I’d go for it.

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