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Big 12 Roundup: Week Six

We're going to do this a little differently than in the past. Instead of reviewing the past week's contests, we'll instead go straight into the Power Rankings, and discuss the past week (and the upcoming one) for each team. We missed a week, Week Five, that'll just sneak into the obscure depths of nothingness. I'm not really sure that that means, just saying we won't be going over those games here. Sorry.

#1 -- Oklahoma 25-1 (11-0) (1)

Oklahoma is the train that keeps on chugging along, no matter how close a game is against an opponent, no matter how bad. Some games are prettier than others, with this week containing two quite comfortable victories. The game in Waco was particularly impressive, given the Bears' urgency, and it being on the road. The home game against the Red Raiders was much less so, although it was the type of game that Boomer Sooner had let trail along all conference season. I'm still not sold on them as a Final Four team, but they are clearly a legitimate #1 seed, right now, and a candidate to go undefeated in conference play. Their game in Austin is an opportunity to lose, but not their best one; that'd be their road trip up to Columbia, a game that KP actually expects the Tigers to take.

Juan Patillo has done a bunch for the Sooners, giving them a "dirty work" player on the interior to go along with Blake Griffin's superstar-ness. 40 and 23, seriously? Austin Johnson, though, is the question, along with a general lack of depth.

Last Week: @ Baylor (78-63), vs. Texas Tech (95-74

This Week: @ Texas (2/21)

#2 -- Missouri 22-4 (9-2) (4)

What a week from the Tigers. First, one of the best games of the season saw them overtake Kansas, 62-60. Then, they demolished a pretty good Nebraska Cornhuskers club, 70-47. I've said it before, and I'll continue to say it: Missouri is a legitimate Final Four contender. They have the style to get themselves in trouble against worse teams, but when they're on, oh boy. Despite being ranked #10 and #11 in the MSM polls (and #10 on the BlogPoll), they still are underrated, because no one really believes they are the tenth best team in the country. Or, at least that's my impression.

But, they just might be. They have one of the best frontcourt duos in the country with Leo Lyons and Demarre Carroll, and are incredibly deep. Zaire Taylor, or Mr. Coffee or whatever, is a legitimate perimter presence, along with defensive stalwart and veteran leader J.T. Tiller. Let's just say, I don't wanna play them in March. Nuh-uh.

Last Week: vs. #16 Kansas (62-60), vs. Nebraska (70-47)

This Week: @ Colorado (2/21)

Rest of the fun stuff after the jump...


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#3  -- Kansas 20-5 (9-1) (3)

Gotta love picking up an L and still sliding up the BlogPoll rankings. Really, in both games Kansas played pretty well, showing they can play with most teams. And on the same foot, they showed some serious flaws (turning the ball over, mainly) that could come back to bite us in the ass. That's all I'll say, considering this is a Kansas blog.

Last Week: @ #17 Missouri (60-62), @ Kansas State (85-74)

Next Week: vs. Iowa State (2/18), vs. Nebraska (2/21)

#4 -- Texas 17-7 (6-4) 2)

Texas, after losing three straight, rebounded with two much-need wins this week. Although neither is impressive, and going to OT in Boulder is borderline-embarrassing, two wins are two wins. And, more than anything, the Horns just needs to pick up W's. Their non-conference slate provided them with the necessary quality W's (vs. UCLA, @ Wisconsin [who is making a comeback, now, and could be Dancing themselves], vs. Villanova), now they just need to keep on racking up the wins. Quantity, not quality. Although, a win Saturday night against Boomer Sooner would do a helluva lot, giving them three legitimately awesome wins. Combine that with 20+ victories, and you've got an NCAA Tournament team.

Really, though, tonight's game is just as important as Saturday's in a different sense. A W here, combined with near-sure-things vs. Texas Tech, @ Okie State and vs. Baylor should be enough, getting them to 10-6, even with losses to Kansas and Oklahoma. I think they are a near-lock to lose in the first round, but if Dogus Balbay continues his progression as a solid point guard, they could make some noise. A.J. Abrams' might be the country's best shooter, and the Damion James-Gary Johnson combo is always dangerous. If they can just get solid play from Dogus, they are a team that most will want no part of.

Last Week: vs. Oklahoma State (99-74), @ Colorado (85-76 OT)

This Week: @ Texas A&M (2/16), vs. #3 Oklahoma (2/21)

#5 -- Kansas State 17-8 (6-5) (8)

The Powercats really, really could have used a W Saturday afternoon. Beating Kansas, combined with their victory over Missouri and their road win in Austin, likely would've put them on the right side of the bubble. Nevertheless, I still think they've got a shot to sneak in. To do so, they need to win all remaining games besides Missouri (if they win there, though, it's a near lock they get in, assuming they don't get upset) and win a game in Oklahoma City. If that's the case, then yeah, I bet they make it in. Maybe not, maybe they get left out, but I don't think so.

As far as whether they are an NCAA-caliber team, that's an interesting debate. Their guards certainly are, but their forwards are basically glorified rebounding machines. Oh, well, there's those machines plus Darren Kent, who isn't all that productive at anything, but likes to take threes. They need to just win, though, from here on out.

Last Week: vs. Texas Tech (85-73), vs. #16 Kansas (74-85)

This Week: vs. North Carolina Central (2/17), @ Iowa State (2/21)

#6 -- Oklahoma State 15-9 (4-6) (5)

All of a sudden, the Pokes have snuck their head back into the NCAA Tournament picture. It'll likely take a miraculous finish to their Big 12 slate, winning at least five of the remaining plus a couple in Okie City, but it isn't entirely impossible.

They need to start winning, though, and it's as simple as that. Two pretty easy ones this week, but both they absolutely must have.

Last Week: @ Texas (74-99), vs. Iowa State (86-67)

This Week: @ Texas Tech (2/18), vs. Baylor (2/21)

#7 -- Nebraska 15-8 (5-5) (9)

Nebraska isn't going to end up making the NCAA Tournament, although they made a good run for it. I would say that next year would be the year they make a run, but they're losing a lot. Still, an apperance in the NIT should be a good step forward for the Cornhuskers basketball program. Doc Sadler, while a bit of a whiner, is a helluva coach, and the trip up to Lincoln should consistently be a tough one.

Last Week: @ #17 Missouri (47-70)

Next Week: vs. Colorado (2/18), @ #15 Kansas (2/21)

For the rest of 'em, I won't be doing all of this fluff. The season is pretty much over for the rest of the teams, at least when it comes to NCAA Tournament chances. Baylor and ATM could sneak in with miracles, I suppose, particularly the Bears, but I don't see it happening. And, I'm tired.

So, we're just going to move on to the next little stage of this Roundup: Key Games of the Week.

Key Games of the Week

Monday February 16th

Texas @ Texas A&M -- An absolute must-win for the Aggies, if they want any shot at making the NCAAs. Texas could really use a W, too, for their own at-large hopes. Combining the whole rivarly aspect, and the game should be really intersting to watch.

Saturday February 21st

Baylor @ Oklahoma State -- Again, an absolute must-win for both teams involved, if they want any prayer of making the NCAA Tournament. The first one was a fabulous contest, in Waco, so this one should be a lot of fun to watch, as well.

Oklahoma @ Texas -- A chance for a monstrous win for the Longhorns, and a hurdle Boomer Sooner must clear on the way to a potential #1 seed and undefeated conference record.

That's all. I know this wasn't as good as most Roundups, but I'm still playing around with the best way to do this stuff.

Plenty more content coming tomorrow, including Iowa State preview content.

 

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This is the only time I'll say it...

Hook em Horns!!!

Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.

by Owen Kemp on Feb 16, 2009 8:21 PM CST reply actions  

well...a little more motivation for the horns after losing to A&M...

Texas just isn’t what I thought they could be this year…losing Augustine was huge.

also…anybody else get that feeling tonight…between Pitt v Uconn and all the talk about the tourney, bubbles, final fours etc.etc…I’m starting to get that March feeling…what a great time of the year.

Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.

by Owen Kemp on Feb 16, 2009 10:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Missouri is a legitimate Final Four contender.

You’re really stretching your credibility here. Sure they play a unique style, but any patient team with a PG that doesn’t turn the ball over has a great shot at beating them. They don’t have the offensive firepower to overcome a night where their defense isn’t getting the job done.

There’s only one FF contender in the Big 12 this year, and they play in Norman.

by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Feb 16, 2009 8:35 PM CST reply actions  

Agree with that KGRTC.

Oklahoma is no fluke. They’re sloppy against weak teams but show up when it counts. Patillo gives them a big boost, and as long as Austin Johnson can handle the point, they can go a long ways. Missouri depends too much on the opponent collapsing because of their pressure, and in the tournament that won’t happen for more than a game or two.

by hunter s. royal on Feb 16, 2009 8:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Gotta agree

Missouri is good but no way Final Four contender. I don’t think they have good enough scoring from their guards and just think about last year’s final four (I know they were all 1 seeds but stay with me). Could Missouri have hung with any single one of them? No way. It’ll be interesting to see how they play against OU.

If Missouri is a FF contender then we are too. I don’t believe we are a FF contender at this moment. (Talk to me after the Big 12 Tourney, though)

by I need more Esteban on Feb 16, 2009 9:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Right now...

I think MU is a Sweet 16 team…not sold on the FF for them yet either.

That said…stranger things have happened

Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.

by Owen Kemp on Feb 16, 2009 10:05 PM CST up reply actions  

I feel like I should come over here and defend MU's honor...

… but in all honesty, I agree, but for somewhat different reasons.

I honestly think the defense is good enough to give Missouri a chance to win against almost anybody. Oddly enough for a team ranked 5th in the nation in scoring, I think the offense is the issue, not the D, as you put it KGRTC. Missouri is incredibly streaky, and on a night where Carroll and Lyons can’t get it done inside (which they’d have a hard time doing against a lot of Big East teams), I’m not sure everyone around them can get hot enough to carry the load. There are a lot of talented shooters on Missouri’s roster, but no one capable of carrying the team when the big guns are completely off their game. Plus, Missouri’s shot the lights out at home but has a tendency to be unable to buy a bucket on the road.

You put every game at Mizzou Arena, and I think they can play with anyone. But I’m not ready to christen them as a legit Final Four team. I think Sweet Sixteen is the goal right now until you see how this team responds in Lawrence and back home against Oklahoma.

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by RPT on Feb 16, 2009 10:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Excellent points...

I suppose we might all sing a different tune if they can manage a win in Lawrence followed by either a very strong showing or win over OU. That said I’m with you Sweet 16 is and should be expected as of right now…beyond that you’ve got to feel like it’s icing on the cake.

Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.

by Owen Kemp on Feb 16, 2009 10:43 PM CST up reply actions  

I'll give you full credit;

It’s been a great year so far and you have a good shot to beat anyone in the first few rounds of the tournament. After that, you’re rolling the dice, just like KU this year.

by hunter s. royal on Feb 16, 2009 11:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed.

Basically, I was trying to say that if your “streaky” offense, as you put it, gets hot for the first two weekends, you could find yourselves up in Detroit. Obviously, the likelihood of having four (or at least three, after the opening round) straight “on” games isn’t great, but it is still there, and your chances are higher than most.

Basically, that’s all I was saying.

Thanks for stopping by, and good luck the rest of the way…

by rockchalk on Feb 17, 2009 1:44 AM CST up reply actions  

I respect your rationale about Mizzou...

But I won’t be sold on them being a legit FF contender until they are actually there(that sort of makes sense.) I know they are KenPom’s golden boys and I think they could beat almost anyone at home, but MU has to perform beyond expectations at least one time in a win or go home situation on a neutral court for me to believe they can actually do it. Even beating KU and OU wouldn’t fully sell me on them.

I know each team should be judged on it’s own merits, but since the modern tournament format Missouri has won more than one tournament game exactly 3 times in 23 years(KU has done it 14 times since I know you wondered.) You get the picture. Again, I respect your thoughts and anything can happen during that wacky time of the year, but I won’t ever trust a Missouri team until I actually see it happen.

by GingerBalls-OBK on Feb 17, 2009 1:26 AM CST reply actions  

I understand the Missouri to Final Four qualms.

Really, I meant it loosely. But with the right draw, I think there are plenty of teams (this year, at least) than can get to Detroit. It’s just how CBB works; hell, George Mason did it one year.

This year in CBB is jam-packed with average-to-mediocre teams, without a real boatload of really good teams. That is why filling out polls and things are so difficult; after the Top Three (UNC, UCONN, Pitt) there is a big dropoff, IMO. Maybe Oklahoma up there, but y’all know I’m down on them.

Again, I want to do some post on all of the Big 12 teams and their ceilings in the NCAA Tournament, or whatever. Maybe Thursday, after Iowa State postgame content.

In any case, there was this one interview by KenPom (I know, I know, mancrush here) that said that, historically, the best factor to determine a Final Four team was being Top 15 in both his Adj. O and D in ratings. This year, there are three teams that currently qualify: UNC, Connecticut and Missouri. That’s it.

I don’t have a link, and can’t find it currently, so maybe I’m remembering wrong. And don’t get me wrong, I don’t THINK Missouri makes the FF.

But, they are a contender. Right now, depending on matchups, I’d call around 15 teams “contenders” to reach a Final Four. It isn’t great, and odds are that they’ll be the third-or-fourth best team in their region. But if one of those “better” teams is a slow-it-down team, like UCLA, and can speed them up, then I wouldn’t be surprised at all to see Missouri win.

Maybe I’m wrong. Maybe they lose in the first round (and, again because of their style, they could lose there too and it wouldn’t be completely shocking). And Ginger brings up a good point: this is Missouri, we’re talking about. Not exactly a bastion of basketball success.

I’m just saying it’s a legitimate possibility. That’s all.

by rockchalk on Feb 17, 2009 1:43 AM CST reply actions  

If there are 15 contenders for the FF

then I’ll give you Missouri. I put it more at like 10

by I need more Esteban on Feb 17, 2009 1:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Simply put:

Missouri is not a Final Four contender. Once they roll into Allen in just 11, yes ELEVEN days, they are going to have such bruised egos, and take SUCH A HIT to their pride and manhood, that they will fold in the Big 12 tournament, and lay a goose egg, as they do most years. (Anybody remember who a HORRIBLE Baylor team beat in the first round of the conference tourney a couple years ago? Yeah, that’s right. The beloved Tiggers.)

"I just trust what he does. And he has such a great ass..... er... grasp" -Chase "Booger" DanielS on Colt McCoy's "Ass-ets"

by Andy Edwards on Feb 17, 2009 4:28 PM CST reply actions  

Haha.

Yeah, but those were Quin Snyder Missouri teams. I don’t think that Quinny was exactly the motivating type.

Mike Anderson, on the other hand, at least appears to do a better job at getting them to play well in big games. Not perfect (they didn’t come out too well in the first half against KU, and they were pretty poor against Illannoy, a lesser rival), but much better than good ol’ Quinny.

It’s just a gut feeling.

by rockchalk on Feb 17, 2009 7:04 PM CST up reply actions  

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