Fool me Once, Fool me Twice, Fool me Three Times?
A little over a month ago the Kansas athletic department opened up an investigation into the conduct of their then head football coach Mark Mangino. Allegations of player abuse had surfaced stemming from an incident early in the season with senior linebacker Arist Wright. While the exact circumstances of this incident aren't known entirely, stories did leak ranging from borderline inappropriate personal attacks, to physical punishment viewed by some as extreme.
Never however was Coach Mark Mangino accused of crossing the line and physically coming at a player during his tenure. The "smoking gun" so to speak wasn't clearly defined. What has followed though is a series of coaching accusations by players that seems to indicate a possible pandora's box opened up by the Jayhawk coaching situation.
The first incident involving another coach in the NCAA involved a former colleague of Mark Mangino in South Florida Head Coach Jim Leavitt. Leavitt stood accused of striking a player during halftime of a game during the 2009 season. At first glance this appeared a to be a pretty cut and dry case with physical abuse believed by almost anyone as over the line. However a quick retraction by the player in question and Jim Leavitt appears to be in the clear.
Most recently Mike Leach, also a former colleague of Mangino, stands accused of locking a player in an "equipment shed" following a concussion. With the investigation currently ongoing the full details aren't certain but again two camps pretty clearly stand divided on where the line is and if Leach crossed it.
Three coaches, three incidents in just over a month. While Mangino's case was more a pattern of behavior than one single incident, did his investigation mark a watershed moment in college football?
In 2002 ESPN produced a movie "The Junction Boys" essentially glamorizing the toughness and grit of a group of football players that "survived" Bear Bryants summer camp in 1954. There likely isn't a football player out there that didn't relive his own horror stories of torment and trial associated with playing days of yesterday. As amateur's, athletes are almost taught to expect it and persevere. Obviously every level is different and times change but it still remains the culture of football that it is a man's game and one where toughness and discipline are highly admired traits.
On the flip side of this we live in a society that glamorizes athletes to an extreme. NFL players command major dollars and the biggest names in the sport often have more power than the coaches that run the team. In college, the students, alumni and boosters are constantly placing players on a pedestal or tearing them apart for their struggles. The expectations are big and the reward for success bigger. Even going back to the high school level, high caliber recruits are constantly having their egos stroked by some of the biggest named coaches and program in the country. Imagine sitting in a living room with coaches from several BCS programs telling you how you are exactly what they need to take the team to the next level.
With that in mind is it really surprising that players are finding it hard to handle an over the top disciplinarian? We glamorize the struggle on the one hand but then we put the player above the program in the very same breath. Now that the floodgates have been opened it puts athletic directors across the country in a very interesting situation going forward.
As a hypothetical let's say recruit A sits in his living room with Missouri, Kansas, Texas Tech and Nebraska. All good schools and often going head to head for similar recruits. Recruit A gets told by each how he is what they look for, how he's has the potential to be a great player at his position and how School X is the best for him. Final decision is made and off to school he goes. Two years in, things aren't working out. Recruit A feels slighted for one reason or another and due to a variety of circumstances has landed squarely in the coaches doghouse. His family and friends back home wonder why he isn't playing. He may even take a ribbing or two about his lack of success. Now those other three schools not chosen look pretty good in retrospect. Coach is the problem, coach has been out of line and now it's time to spill the beans. Back someone into a corner and they are bound to find a way out one way or another. It's tough to blame the player in this situation.
Glamorize the struggle, glamorize the athlete. Is this one of the biggest contradictions out there? The reason the "Junction Boys" and that philosophy worked is because the player was not the most important piece, the program was. Is that no longer the case today?
It's an interesting situation in college football. I'd have to think many people thought the Mark Mangino situation would expose a few skeletons over time, but to have 3 high profile coaches accused of player abuse in such a short time is a bit alarming.
Is this a situation completely determined by the success of the program? Do the ends justify the means in most cases? As I've mentioned it's hard to fault the players, but by the same token it's hard to fault the coaches. Success is held at a premium. Each side sets out to do what it must to be successful.
To date each of these three coaches have stood defiantly by their actions. One ended up on the outs, while one appears to be remaining at his post. As for the third we're still waiting to find out but a line in the sand has clearly been drawn. Is it time to choose, glamorize the player...or glamorize the struggle, where is the priority?
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I think it was between bowls games last night,
that ESPN reported that Leach had an opportunity to have it all just go away by writing a letter to the James family last weekend. Instead, he digging his heals in, and has his attorney release a statement insulting the dad.
I think you're right on point Denver
noting that the Mangino incident may simply be the cresting of a sea change. With Leach now gone, scrutiny may intensify at each amateur level.
Interesting thoughts
It would seem to me that the real isue boils down to another question: What is pain and what is injury?
Everything about excelling in athletics is about learning to overcome pain, to push past it, or even learn to embrace it as desirable means to an end. Great athletes have this built into them, so that coaches only need to enhance it. Most of us can learn it in order to maximize our lesser natural abilities. Unfortunately, plenty of people squander their natural ability for lack of discipline to push past their perceived comfort limit.
Concussions, burned hands, … have little if anything to do with pushing past pain. They are injuries that need to heal, especially the concussion. It would seem Leach’s situation has more to do with the elevated level of awareness in the NFL.
but was Mangino’s over the top verbal abuse an effort to push players mentally and if so would you say that is acceptable?
Also the burned hands under Mangino occurred in the act of being punished I think. Seems a little different than Leach allegedly punishing for having a concussion.
Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.
Exactly
The difference between pain and injury is how far you push the body/person; whether the force applied is to the top or over the top. The tricky part is that the top grows the more that you push, but the issue is still the same, is the force to the top or over the top. It doesn’t make a difference whether it is verbal or physical, the question is still is the force applied to the top or over the top.
Crab crawls as punishment seems perfectly reasonable, but if bare hands results in injury then it is over the top. Have the guy wear gloves, wrap his hands in a towel, something to prevent injury and you can actually push him farther. Hmm, the path to the top is also significant.
As you note, there are plenty of differences in the concussion burned hands scenarios. There is a commonality between these and all the other events we’ve heard about wrt Mangino – not recognizing the difference between pain and injuries; pushing to the top vs. over the top.
verbal or physical
the question is still is the force applied to the top or over the top?
learning to overcome pain, to push past it
This is referring to our percieved limits, which always seemed to be less than the point at which injury occurs. It sort of reminds me of the words of “encouragement” from my cross country coach on the way to my first meet. “You don’t need to worry about pushing yourself so hard that you’ll die. You’ll pass out first.” The first competition each year was always just a bit short of max effort, b/c I would have to learn anew the difference between the pain of training and the pain of competition, and there was always a little more that you could push yourself. All of this is short of injury tho, which again gets back to the question of where’s the top?
bans on school corporal punishment now affecting college coaching?
Maybe one factor in the recent spate of players accusing coaches of being abusive is that many of these athletes are coming now out of school systems that no longer allow teachers and coaches to inflict paddling and other forms of physical punishment on them. In the past, kids were probably inured to adults abusing them at school, but in 30 states now school corporal punishment has been outlawed, and such actions are now assaults. So these kids hit college, and aren’t going to take someone abusing them there. I think these recent cases will send a shock wave through all college coaching, and will lead to more humane, more effective, coaching. Young people don’t give up their legal rights by going to college and joining a team.
Not buying it
I don’t think corporal punishment has anything to do with this. First off, even in states where it’s technically legal, no sane teacher would ever actually do it, and that’s been true for many, many years.
Secondly, these are football players- they’re used to some physical punishment. No D-1 college football player is going to think he was assaulted because a coach hit him on the pads, or even slapped him on the helmet.
"Here are our top priorities: recruit, beat Missouri, recruit, win the North, recruit, win the Big 12, and in most cases if you win the Big 12 then you're playing for a National Championship. And then we're going to recruit."
by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Dec 31, 2009 1:39 AM CST up reply actions
The most interesting link between Mangino and Leach, IMO, is that neither one of them played college football. Obviously, they went up through the ranks as assistants and should have some idea of where “the line” is. But I can’t help but wonder- does the fact that Leach has no idea what it’s like to play D-1 football with a concussion (or possibly never had any kind of concussion in his life) somehow contribute to his desire to punish a kid for not getting back on the field as quick as Leach himself would like?
Did Mangino ever manage anything in his life for an extended period of time before becoming KU’s head man? You can learn a lot as an assistant, but can you learn how to sustain a developing program long-term when you can’t really relate to what your players are going through, and have never really dealt with the kind of power that was suddenly handed to him at KU?
"Here are our top priorities: recruit, beat Missouri, recruit, win the North, recruit, win the Big 12, and in most cases if you win the Big 12 then you're playing for a National Championship. And then we're going to recruit."
by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Dec 31, 2009 1:39 AM CST reply actions
Is basketball next?
I agree with Denver that a struggle between opposing forces exists in our competitive nature, and I believe this goes beyond football and is all a part of the evolution of our society to a more passivistic nature, a desire to be more civil in our interactions with each other and to preserve and enhance the self esteem of all individuals. We even see this evolution in our military where 3 Navy SEALS are facing assault charges for punching a terrorist they captured. Extreme actions certainly need to be dealt with, where the line in the sand is drawn changes over time and tends to go in one direction until it goes to far then it starts going in the opposite direction. I wonder when this is going to show up in a basketball program.
"Navy SEALS facing assault charges"
Ok, seriously? A complaint was filed, the three had the option to have a “nonjudicial” resolution, basically admitting guilt but they believe they are innocent, so they requested a formal court-martial proceeding so that they can argue their case.
Sounds like a pretty good system to me.
wow...had not heard the Navy Seals thing...
sounds like you are of the opinion that the participation ribbon should be banned from all competition. I agree. I hated those damn things when I was a kid. Made me feel like an even bigger loser than I did after losing at something.
Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.
they all went into a drawer
That I never touched until I through them all out after HS.
I hated them too.
Children's sports...
are over structured and (so called) adults won’t let the kids learn to resolve their conflicts on their own. Some of the most unsportsmanship behavior I’ve seen has been at kids games.
When my son was in 2nd grade football (full pads and tackle) I had to be on roving sportsmanship patrol for a Saturday. After one of 2nd grade games an uncle of a player on a team went over to one of the dads who was a volunteer running the chains, stuck out his hand as if he wanted to shake hands and sucker punched him in the nose and flattened it. He didn’t like the way the chains were run. The guy was arrested. Really ruined me for youth football at that age.
geez...
how the hell can anyone get so mad at the chains being run the wrong way…seems pretty cut and dry to me.
Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.
Yeah..
it’s amazing how an extreme competitive nature will cause one to make incredibly stupid judgments and reactions. And so will unbridled political correctness, as in participation ribbons for all and no punching terroriists or I’ll file a complaint.
I’ll bet Leach is absolutely PO’ed at parental behavior right now.
Though Leach had every chance to save his job
but blew it off by refusing to admit ANYTHING he did could possibly be wrong. In the original article Denver linked to it seems the main impetus behind the firing is the animosity still left over from last years contract negotiations and Leach looking into the Washington job without permission from the athletic administration. If Leach thinks Adam James is a lazy punk, just kick the kid off the team, don’t embarrass him in public and give him some ammo to tattle tale to the media.(Which obviously includes his father at ESPN)
This situation looks like Leach wanted out of Tech more than anything, and will probably work out fine for him. His lawyer will get some money from Tech, Leach can hang out in the Caribbean drinking rum and counting his loot until he gets bored, then pick a good job when it comes available.
Texas Tech will probably be the loser here, it will be hard to replace Leach, and the way they handled it makes them look like someone who cut off their nose to spite their face. Their fan base seems pissed, and if the next coach isn’t immediately successful, they could fall to the bottom of the south in a hurry.
by hunter s. royal on Dec 31, 2009 10:28 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes
Leach will probably land on his feet,.I think another loser in all this could be recruiting for the Big 12 in general.
I'd agree. Great chance for A&M to pull themselves up right here. Okie State should also benefit.
they could fall to the bottom of the south in a hurry.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

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