Mangino Era is Over
by Owen Kemp on Dec 3, 2009 6:18 PM CST
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Mark Mangino who brought Kansas from the bottom of college football to an Orange Bowl win is finished. Players and coaches have been informed of the decision and ESPN is now also reporting Mangino is done.
The rumors have been flying, gradually turning to players stepping into the light and letting their feelings known. Unfortunately despite some support the overall picture that was painted was not a pretty picture. It was pretty clear from the get go that this was going to end one way and one way only.
Coach Mangino took over Kansas in 2001 with his first season of 2002 finishing at a 2-10 mark. Steady improvement within the program culminated in a 2007 BCS bowl appearance and the best season in Kansas football history. This season was filled with high expectations but has ultimately fallen short. Mangino did a tremendous amount for the program but it's clear a change is needed. The behavior was intolerable to far too many and it's hard not to wonder if the results on the field were due to a team or program that had reached a breaking point.
More thoughts to come but for now the news is Mark Mangino is done at Kansas.
Feel free to use this post as your open thread to discuss. Again nothing from the University yet, but this thing is leaking from all kinds of sources now.
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Probably wont hear from ole Lew until tomorrow
but i got text from my buddy on team and he says its official too… Time to turn the page
Just saw a report on ESPN
breaking news, hey at least we got that and then a little “commentary” from Mark May. Let the coach speculation begin!
by I need more Esteban on Dec 3, 2009 6:24 PM CST reply actions
I haven't followed enough college football the last 5 years to know what to think next.
I used to work with an old man that told me. Son, every workplace has a dumbass, if you don't have one where you work, then I'm afraid you're it.
Finally
Don’t know what to think of it yet, and I’ll probably withhold judgment until the new hire, but at least we have an answer now.
Looks like I was right about Jordan Rodgers knowing this earlier, canceling his visit. I really doubt this, but I hope he’s the only recruit to do that.
Insanity is just a state of mind.
Wonder if he also knows something about the new HC,
as in it won’t be a guy already on staff?
I used to work with an old man that told me. Son, every workplace has a dumbass, if you don't have one where you work, then I'm afraid you're it.
Maybe. I’m sure he wouldn’t cancel his visit, with the offer already out there, unless he knew who was replacing Mangino.
Again, this is just one recruit, and I’m by far not the best information gatherer, but these are my best guesses.
Insanity is just a state of mind.
I don't have a clue, but if the guy recruiting him said something along the lines of
“don’t worry, Mangino is gone but we are staying in house. Come take a look” he’d probably still go through with it. Right? Hopefully???
I used to work with an old man that told me. Son, every workplace has a dumbass, if you don't have one where you work, then I'm afraid you're it.
Can't he always reschedule a visit later on down the line?
When things are more settled? I’m not going to read too much into this at the moment.
RODD TEESING, my arch-nemesis! Give us back our TODD, you rapscallion!
by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Dec 3, 2009 7:47 PM CST up reply actions
Sure, he could
But he said a couple weeks ago, when the allegations where out there, that he would take the visit. Now that Mangino’s gone, he’s not coming. Maybe he doesn’t know who the new guy is yet.
Insanity is just a state of mind.
As much as I have a man crush on Aaron Rodgers
Jordon Rodgers is a two star prospect. I’m not going to cry if he doesn’t come to KU.
With the success Reesing has had and our offense how are we not getting any high recruits at the QB position, but a million at WR?
probably because we already have 2 on roster now
Kale pick and jordan webb and jacoby walker coming in.. so 3 qbs that will be soph and 2 frosh
I know
Just meant I was surprised we never landed a marquee type guy. Mizzou got Gabbert after their offensive success, a 5 star recruit. With our offense you’d think we’d be getting more interest from high profile quarterbacks, not qual threat run-pass 3 star guys.
And I don’t mean to slam our current qbs at all, but with the talent we are loading up on at WR and a real young line that all got action this year, plus all our recent offensive success and style (Todd has thrown over 50 times many a time) more of the big time passing qbs would look at us
And there it is...
A sad situation, to be sure, but with everything that has happened, I can’t say this doesn’t seem like the best thing for all parties.
Operation 40-0 is a go. Proceed to target.
Just for those interested/ skeptical
Deadspin has the photo of Kipp’s hand.
I used to work with an old man that told me. Son, every workplace has a dumbass, if you don't have one where you work, then I'm afraid you're it.
Thats it?
I’ve gotten worse looking injuries from playing flag football.
Its still a terrible story though no doubt there
Man, I don't know.
That’s a blister. Those suckers hurt, I can’t imagine one that size on my skin caused by heat.
I used to work with an old man that told me. Son, every workplace has a dumbass, if you don't have one where you work, then I'm afraid you're it.
Oh I'm sure it was painful
And the means in which he got it were out of place for sure. I just was kind of hoping it was more grusome. When I read the initial story I pictured it differently…
Looks like a classic 2nd degree burn to me.
I’m no doctor but I was a boy scout trained to recognize burns, poison ivy, and snakes at a distance of 100 Christian yards.
Me no likey Clint Bowen.
by labbadabba on Dec 4, 2009 9:03 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
100 Christian yards
That was the exact distance you were tested at when I was in scouts as well.
What the hell CD is that sitting there?
Those speakers are super cheap, too.
I thought you knew that algebra was all razzamatazz. A Globetrotter always saves the good algebra for the final minutes.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Dec 3, 2009 7:27 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah
I had that thought, too, but remember it was over 6 years ago. They didn’t have keyboards like this.
I thought you knew that algebra was all razzamatazz. A Globetrotter always saves the good algebra for the final minutes.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Dec 3, 2009 7:29 PM CST up reply actions
I thought you knew that algebra was all razzamatazz. A Globetrotter always saves the good algebra for the final minutes.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Dec 3, 2009 7:32 PM CST up reply actions
I'm the furthest thing from a tech geek,
but that looks fantastic.
by hunter s. royal on Dec 3, 2009 7:48 PM CST up reply actions
Dude.
each key is its own LCD. HOW BAD ASS IS THAT?
I thought you knew that algebra was all razzamatazz. A Globetrotter always saves the good algebra for the final minutes.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Dec 3, 2009 7:34 PM CST up reply actions
me too
Best part about running my own business? We use Macs because I say so. :)
by DCJayhawk0208 on Dec 3, 2009 8:08 PM CST up reply actions
I use that computer
a) for the design aspects and b) cuz its awesome.
I run my own business too. Its a kicking ass and taking names business. Going international soon :)
speaking of Mac stuff
I used iWeb to create the firm’s website, so I can send you the file if you start playing around with it. And the standard font color is standard OSX “Ocean.”
by DCJayhawk0208 on Dec 3, 2009 8:13 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah that'd be awesome
I’ve got nothing to do tomorrow or this weekend so I’d love for something to work on/tinker with/ etc.
I’m a loser… sigh
It's insane for sure
I’m just saying, wrap that thing in something waterproof.
Insanity is just a state of mind.
Deffffffff.
I thought you knew that algebra was all razzamatazz. A Globetrotter always saves the good algebra for the final minutes.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Dec 3, 2009 7:51 PM CST up reply actions
Would have been a perfect time for your game link you shared last night.
I used to work with an old man that told me. Son, every workplace has a dumbass, if you don't have one where you work, then I'm afraid you're it.
Also in the picture
He has some VHS tapes I think. One says Tyson on it, Mike Tyson? Weird.
Oh and Kipp, next time you take a pic like this try to take the girlie CD on your desk out of it before hand :)
seriously??
that’s it…I was expecting stumps.
Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.
And more confirmation
From CBS
The two replacements mentioned here are Turner Gill and Kevin Sumlin.
Insanity is just a state of mind.
So in weird media coverage
6 news of Lawrence in their news broadcast was saying not to believe any other media outlets about him being gone tonight, not even ESPN.
Ummm are they trying to look even less credible than they already do?
by I need more Esteban on Dec 3, 2009 6:38 PM CST reply actions
No shit.
Deny, deny, deny and then when it happens what will they say? We waited for actual confirmation!
I used to work with an old man that told me. Son, every workplace has a dumbass, if you don't have one where you work, then I'm afraid you're it.
I'm guessing they have given in and are reporting it by now.
I used to work with an old man that told me. Son, every workplace has a dumbass, if you don't have one where you work, then I'm afraid you're it.
for anyone interested
ESPN just ran a teaser that they would talk more about it after the commercial so I’d guess sometime in the next 10 minutes they’ll talk about again.
by I need more Esteban on Dec 3, 2009 6:42 PM CST reply actions
details
The athletic department and Mangino reached an agreement on a buyout that was less than the $6.6 million remaining on Mangino’s contract. Clint Bowen, David Beaty and Bill Miller will share interim head coach duties, according to Lew Perkins in a KU athletics statement
"We appreciate the eight years that Mark has given to rebuilding our football program," Kansas Athletics Director Lew Perkins said. "He and I have reached a mutually satisfactory agreement that reflects the appreciation we have for his efforts on behalf of Kansas football.
In the statement, Perkins said the details of the settlement and the investigation would remain confidential as part of Magino’s personnel file.
Uh, Lew.......
""I think it’s a great job. We have some of the finest facilities in the country and we have a great class coming in."
Somebody needs to tell Lew that signing day isn’t until February 2010. Technically we could have zero players commit to their worthless verbals. That “great class” could easily be a bunch of Monroe Weekly juco walk-ons.
Sawin' wood - damn, blade just broke
The hell for?
For the significant schematic advantage he brings?
I thought you knew that algebra was all razzamatazz. A Globetrotter always saves the good algebra for the final minutes.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Dec 3, 2009 7:27 PM CST up reply actions
Great question.
I used to work with an old man that told me. Son, every workplace has a dumbass, if you don't have one where you work, then I'm afraid you're it.
No trust me I'm not advocating it at all
I’d be pretty pissed. But with the recruiting success he had, does KU pull the “maybe he just needs a smaller platform” excuse that Washington used when hiring TYRONE WILLINGHAM. Whoa caps lock…
That’d be nutts.
Well
He did have a better record this year than Turner Gill… and he is known as a good recruiter…
Yeah I can’t even try to make a case for him.
RODD TEESING, my arch-nemesis! Give us back our TODD, you rapscallion!
by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Dec 3, 2009 7:51 PM CST up reply actions
At least we know he'll be able to fit into the office chair
in the coach’s office.
Me no likey Clint Bowen.
Dennis Dodd says Turner Gill is our No. 1 target and that Gill has interest as well.
Insanity is just a state of mind.
I'm actually fine with Gill.
Maybe I’m naive, but doesn’t he have a daughter at KU now? Seems like he’d be happy to be here.
I used to work with an old man that told me. Son, every workplace has a dumbass, if you don't have one where you work, then I'm afraid you're it.
Still weary of Gill
I like his youth and he could likely recruit very well and he turned Buffalo around somewhat but he will go to Nebraska when Bo gets fired in 3 years, and I still think he may have that Dan Hawkins side to him “I can recruit, win at a smaller level and build, but can’t take anyone further.”
I dunno. Wouldn’t be upset with the hire, at the same time would prefer someone with a little more experience.
Bo gets fired because.....?
Nebraska’s crazy expectations or what do ya think?
by I need more Esteban on Dec 3, 2009 7:57 PM CST up reply actions
A little of everything
I have a gut feeling he won’t last long, not sure why. I see NU hovering around 8-4 or so the next few years, NU people getting ancy, etc etc. Plus I don’t think he is that good of a coach, and he annoys me when I watch NU games (again don’t know why its weird)
With his temper,
he’s got a chance to go all Woody Hayes on a ref and get canned because of that.
by hunter s. royal on Dec 3, 2009 8:02 PM CST up reply actions
Kind of funny that a KU fan is speculating on something like that tonight.
I used to work with an old man that told me- Son, every workplace has a dumbass. If you don't have one where you work, then I'm afraid you're it.
I'm not sold on him jumping to Nebraska.
He could easily be just as happy showing them how wrong they were when they hired Bo over him.
I used to work with an old man that told me. Son, every workplace has a dumbass, if you don't have one where you work, then I'm afraid you're it.
I highly doubt that
With the star he was at NU, I’m sure he would love to go home and who could blame him?
He's a frickin KING in Lincoln. He'd jump at the first chance to shine Osbourne's shoes.
Sawin' wood - damn, blade just broke
very true.
As a native Nebraskan, that’s one I know about first-hand.
At the same time, I think people are really underestimating Pelini.
by DCJayhawk0208 on Dec 3, 2009 8:10 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe, I'm just not that sold on it.
Especially if he was successful enough in Lawrence to warrant the job in Lincoln. It’s all speculation at this point though.
I used to work with an old man that told me- Son, every workplace has a dumbass. If you don't have one where you work, then I'm afraid you're it.
Pelini isn't going anywhere.
NU learned their lesson when they overreacted and jumped for Callahan last time.
RODD TEESING, my arch-nemesis! Give us back our TODD, you rapscallion!
by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Dec 3, 2009 8:51 PM CST up reply actions
The ACLU might be on you for that comment...
Me no likey Clint Bowen.
by labbadabba on Dec 4, 2009 9:22 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Didn't notice that until you pointed it out.
I used to work with an old man that told me- Son, every workplace has a dumbass. If you don't have one where you work, then I'm afraid you're it.
OT but, T-Tech & Washington
are having a helluva game on ESPN2.
yeah for sure
T Tech looks like a real contender for a tourney spot early on out of our mega conference
by I need more Esteban on Dec 3, 2009 7:54 PM CST up reply actions
Did anyone notice Okie State getting stomped by Tulsa last night?
I used to work with an old man that told me. Son, every workplace has a dumbass, if you don't have one where you work, then I'm afraid you're it.
Turning away from The Wrestler to watch the last few minutes of Tech.
I figure I can Marisa Tomei naked 500 more times this month on HBO.
I used to work with an old man that told me. Son, every workplace has a dumbass, if you don't have one where you work, then I'm afraid you're it.
Can't you find a good picture of her
and use it as your avatar? (About time for a change)
by hunter s. royal on Dec 3, 2009 7:57 PM CST up reply actions
she's naked in that?
mmm been putting off watching that but you may just given me the excuse to check it ou
by I need more Esteban on Dec 3, 2009 7:57 PM CST up reply actions
Are you serious?
She spends more time undressed than dressed.
I used to work with an old man that told me. Son, every workplace has a dumbass, if you don't have one where you work, then I'm afraid you're it.
I had the same reaction...
I watched the 1st half of the movie and found it boring and depressing. I’ll now need to watch the 2nd half…
Me no likey Clint Bowen.
Oh, it's very depressing.
The 2nd half even more than the 1st. I still enjoyed it though.
I used to work with an old man that told me- Son, every workplace has a dumbass. If you don't have one where you work, then I'm afraid you're it.
At the least,
it would be a nice win for the conference if they can pull it off.
I wonder if they’ll ever have Bob Knight do color for one of their games? :)
by hunter s. royal on Dec 3, 2009 7:56 PM CST up reply actions
Big12 is going to be fierce this year
Hell even Colorado looks a ton better! We will be most tested come tourny time
Maybe not.
They just ruled the winning shot was after the buzzer. Overtime.
Bizarre, since the students had already stormed the court.
by hunter s. royal on Dec 3, 2009 8:11 PM CST up reply actions
The clock showed 0.0 though
when the ball was still touching his fingertips. Gutsy call by the refs to overrule.
by hunter s. royal on Dec 3, 2009 8:13 PM CST up reply actions
Tech fans are strange.
They barely booed when the refs overturned the basket.
Fans would be going psycho at KU, MU, or K-State.
by hunter s. royal on Dec 3, 2009 8:16 PM CST up reply actions
They'd be happy with a tie.
I used to work with an old man that told me- Son, every workplace has a dumbass. If you don't have one where you work, then I'm afraid you're it.
They did a great job of rushing the court.
But when the refs overturned the game winner, they just kind of grumbled a bit. Maybe they’re just shocked.
by hunter s. royal on Dec 3, 2009 8:22 PM CST up reply actions
Tech may have screwed themselves
by not having a better clock. :)
by hunter s. royal on Dec 3, 2009 8:27 PM CST up reply actions
Wow that was not goaltending
This game is awesome. Even my girlfriend is into it. I hope Tech pulls it out
Tech is playing out of their minds.
I used to work with an old man that told me- Son, every workplace has a dumbass. If you don't have one where you work, then I'm afraid you're it.
They've looked good.
They haven’t just slowed the game down and hit 3’s, they got after it and played with Washington. Great game.
by hunter s. royal on Dec 3, 2009 8:29 PM CST up reply actions
Now she doesn't like Tech
She thought their ally oop was showboating and she thinks the announcers are “stupid and say obvious things too much.” women, sigh.
AIRBALL!
Just don't tell her Bob Knight's advice to women who are being raped;
“If it’s inevitable, just lay back and enjoy it.”
by hunter s. royal on Dec 3, 2009 8:31 PM CST up reply actions
that was one of his more jaw-dropping comments.
I think Jim Rome did a whole show on that…
Me no likey Clint Bowen.
She seems smart enough,
obviously not enough have caught on to this
announcers are "stupid and say obvious things too much.
I used to work with an old man that told me- Son, every workplace has a dumbass. If you don't have one where you work, then I'm afraid you're it.
by Warden11 on Dec 3, 2009 8:33 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Oregon vs Oregon St
Gonna be a good game. But can Oregon establish 1 home uniform and stick with it? Sheesh.
Wow, nice pass there.
Insanity is just a state of mind.
Are those throwback uni's
or just incredibly ugly on purpose?
by hunter s. royal on Dec 3, 2009 8:34 PM CST up reply actions
They are both throwback and ugly
I kind of like em though. They are so ridiculous they are kind of awesome no?
Some Oregon combos I like, others…. ish
They're lucky they're good
If they sucked, they would be completely unwatchable with any uni they have.
Insanity is just a state of mind.
I like how they always have a new uni
Its like a box of chocolates, ya never know what you’re gonna get. Like christmas baby
I thought USF was playing. They still haven’t got their unis right. They had what, 8 combinations this year?
Insanity is just a state of mind.
I realize Phil Knight & Nike Inc.
are footing the bill for their unis, but I’d think they would concentrate a little more on schools that would have a big enough fan base to actually sell stuff, like USC, Texas, & Florida.
by hunter s. royal on Dec 3, 2009 8:42 PM CST up reply actions
You’d be surprised at how large their fan base is, really. Granted, those others are huge, but Oregon has a very expansive fan base. Especially with their success, so many bandwagon fans here in NorCal.
Doesn’t Nike do Florida’s uni, with those weird wing things on their shoulderpads?
Tebow’s Angel Wings?
Insanity is just a state of mind.
Probably.I'd imagine Nike has most of the market.
Wings on Tebow’s jersey? Isn't that redundant?
by hunter s. royal on Dec 3, 2009 8:51 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah plus since he went to Oregon
I mean if I ran Adidas and I went to KU I would be pumping KU full of free shit as much as I could, if it meant a new uniform every game so be it
Red Raiders pull it out.
And keep Texas fans from seeing most of the first half of their game. Double win!
Oregon's schedule has been fortunate this year
USC, Cal, Oregon St, and Utah all at home this year. They lost on the road at Boise and unexpectedly to Stanford, but their key games have mostly been home games.
Insanity is just a state of mind.
And they have one of the best home-field advantages in all of college football.
RODD TEESING, my arch-nemesis! Give us back our TODD, you rapscallion!
by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Dec 3, 2009 8:55 PM CST up reply actions
Did I miss anything
in the hour I was at intramural basketball getting prison raped?
http://twinkietalk.com
http://thecollegehockeyblog.com
Not much.
They just rehired Terry Allen.
by hunter s. royal on Dec 3, 2009 10:29 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
and here I thought we had 120 comments about our coaching decision...
gotta love it, we are the kings of off topic conversation.
Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.
Denver Jayhawk. Machine.
You ready for our battle for first place in Division one (the best division) next week in Fantasy? Shits gon be wild baby
It shows how badly this needed to get finished.
It has dragged on so long, we didn’t even want to talk about it after it actually happened.
I used to work with an old man that told me- Son, every workplace has a dumbass. If you don't have one where you work, then I'm afraid you're it.
For what it's worth...
many of the current players are making comments to the effect of…
“It’s just great to have a clean slate and a fresh start”
“celebrating tonight”
Also heard the assistant coaches went out for some beers after hearing the news. That can be interpreted a variety of ways, but the player comments make it pretty clear that there was plenty on the team that felt pretty hopeless in terms of their efforts at Kansas ever giving them a chance to see the field. These aren’t crappy players either, some of them have performed VERY impressively in practices but never saw the field. The personnel decisions over the past several years have been an absolute killer in terms of the success we could have had.
Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.
I've been thinking that a lot
About the player development/ personnel decisions. ALways seemed such BS to me that a guy would play or even start three games then never be seen again… ever. No way to build continuity and a team.
it's pretty amazing that even many of the guys...
that were starters and major contributors are making it pretty clear that “a fresh start” is here and they couldn’t be happier.
Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.
I didn't get that impression from watching the video clips of
Dez Briscoe and Justin Thornton.
But then again, those guys got plenty of pt and are done anyway.
Sawin' wood - damn, blade just broke
Really...
…I’m just glad this is over.
I don't know, I like to think that things started out initially with good intentions, but then we just loused it up. Kind of like intelligence. We have this glorious thing that allowed us to survive for millenia and now we use it to write porn film plots involving pterodactyls. Talk about wasting the gift.
by tequilaprophet on Dec 4, 2009 11:09 AM CST reply actions 3 recs
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