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Big 12 - Pac 10 Challenge Primer / Post-Game Thread & Recap

Well, that was about as expected.  Alcorn State wasn't supposed to be much of a challenge.  And, they weren't.  The 'Hawks started slowly (for a minute and a half) and from there on out, it was all the men in crimson.

What We Learned

  • Xavier Henry can jump.  Over a man.
  • Cole Aldrich is still a bigger badass than Markieff Morris, no matter how much he has improved. See: pushing Markieff out of the way for a rebound at the 13:45 mark in the first half.
  • Tyshawn Taylor and Elijah Johnson look too much alike.  Throw in the fact that I'm still getting used to the number switch, and I can't tell them apart for nothing!
  • Xavier is very smooth.  Reminds me of a better, more skilled Keith Langford, with the lefty shot and what not.
  • It's hard to lose when you go on a 36-0 run.  On that note, this is undoubtedly the Comment of the Night

Star-divide

Anyways, about that B12-P10 Challenge Primer...

Sunday should be really fun against UCLA.  I mean, when you get a chance to beat up on another "national power" or "blue-blood," you should savor it - which we will.

The Big 12 - Pac 10 Challenge is something that hasn't been discussed, I think, at all here on RCT, so I thought a little informative primer and history of said series would be beneficial to at least someone.  Also, as we are part of Jayhawk Nation, college basketball is kind of what we do (not saying we don't care about football, but it just doesn't hold a candle to the basketball team), so it would be cool if we got some open threads up for the next few nights when these games will be taking place.

This is also something that would be nice to see continued into the Big 12 portion of schedules.  Again, college basketball is what we do.  It is our job to be the best, most educated and informed fans in the conference with the broadest knowledge of every other team in the conference.  At least for some of the bigger games.

History of Challenge

2007 (inaugural season): Pac 10 (7-5)
2008 : Tied 6-6
All-time: Pac 10 (13-11)
Kansas History: 2007 - @USC, W 59-55 (this game - MARIO!!!)  2008 - @Arizona, L 84-57

Interestingly, the Jayhawks have never hosted a game in the B12-P10 Challenge.  Perhaps the organizers want to keep it fair?  Obviously, there are more teams in the Big 12 than the Pac 10, so the scheduling includes ten games in the next four days (Thursday through Sunday), and two more games, for whatever reason, two weeks and three weeks from now, respectively.  So, basically, that means we won't know who actually won this history-filled, monumental, nation captivating challenge until basically Christmas.  The Big 12 actually is already leading this season, 1-0, thanks to a Nebraska victory in Los Angeles last Sunday. 

The remaining matchups are as follows:

Thursday, December 3
Washington @ Texas Tech
USC @ Texas
Baylor @ Arizona State

Friday, December 4
Colorado @ Oregon State

Saturday, December 5
Oregon @ Missouri
Iowa State @ California
Washington State @ Kansas State

Sunday, Decemeber 6
Kansas @ UCLA
Arizona @ Oklahoma

Wednesday, Decemeber 16
Oklahoma State @ Stanford

Tuesday, December 22
Texas A&M @ Washington

So, USC and Washington are the two Pac 10 teams that get to represent the conference twice by playing two games.  It's a good thing they decided to keep it fair and not let (probably) the two best teams in the conference play twice.  I say the Big 12 goes 7-5 this year, evening up the all-time series.

Nebraska already won.  So, that's 1-0.  Texas will beat USC, Baylor should beat Arizona State but I give Washington the win over Texas Tech.  3-1, Big 12.  Oregon State, as the rest of post-1650 A.D. basketball teams should, will beat Colorado.  3-2, Big 12.  Missouri is sketchy (they lost to Richmond for Quin Snyder's sake), Cal is good and Frank Martin hates his team right now.  5-3, Pac 10.  Oklahoma is hit or miss, but still better than Arizona.  KU wins, obviously.  Tied, 5-5.  Oklahoma State will beat Stanford and Texas A&M will shock the entire sports world and beat world-power Washington.  Bada bing bada boom, 7-5, Big 12.  You heard it here first.

Thoughts?  Am I wrong about any of these games? (Surely not.)

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Nice write-up KC.

Since RC has been overcome by Catholic girls gone wild I guess Denver has given you a shot.

I see no way this can go wrong.

by hunter s. royal on Dec 2, 2009 9:21 PM CST reply actions  

In a slightly more serious note,

I wish we’d done a challenge against the SEC. KU-UK would be a massive draw for TV. Then, Texas & Tennessee could have the battle of of orange, and nobody cares about anyone else anyway, so we could just stop there. Wrap it up in one night. :)

by hunter s. royal on Dec 2, 2009 9:25 PM CST up reply actions  

KU-UK, UT-UT.

I see where this is going.

If anything, I’d like to see us go agains the ACC. Duke one year, Carolina the next. That would be a dream scenario.

lol can't have a CKC without KC - Nicholai Khabibulin (LN21)

by Andy Edwards on Dec 2, 2009 9:27 PM CST up reply actions  

It would be nice

if they simply rotated the conference/conference matchups every couple of years. That way, we’d get a lot of marquee games. Sadly, I don’t see it happening.

Operation 40-0 is a go. Proceed to target.

by Bensa on Dec 2, 2009 9:29 PM CST up reply actions  

That would be the better idea.

I think the ACC-Big10/11 got a nice TV deal though, so I think you’re correct in it not happening.

by hunter s. royal on Dec 2, 2009 9:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, it's all about ESPN

and, therefore, $$$$.

Operation 40-0 is a go. Proceed to target.

by Bensa on Dec 2, 2009 9:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Not that I don't like ESPN

We’re all pretty much eternally indebted to ESPN, so…

Operation 40-0 is a go. Proceed to target.

by Bensa on Dec 2, 2009 9:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes, I still wish they had the NCAA tournament.

They’re the ones responsible for college b-ball taking off in the first place.

by hunter s. royal on Dec 2, 2009 9:35 PM CST up reply actions  

They're bidding for it

and I think there’s a decent shot they get it. They’d spread out the games over all the networks they have, and it would probably do really well on ESPN.

Operation 40-0 is a go. Proceed to target.

by Bensa on Dec 2, 2009 9:37 PM CST up reply actions  

They should have a great chance to get it.

I imagine they have more cash than the networks now, as long as Murdoch & Newscorp don’t get involved.

by hunter s. royal on Dec 2, 2009 9:41 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't think Roy would agree to playing us.

Plus, they like punking up on the Big 10. The Pac 10 Challenge falls apart because of the time between games. If you don’t do it all within a few games it becomes meaningless.

by hunter s. royal on Dec 2, 2009 9:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Roy has said

UNC will never schedule KU, too hard for him. I’m sure us pimp-handing them in 08 didn’t help :)

by KU Grad 08 on Dec 2, 2009 9:40 PM CST up reply actions  

I say this as un-racist as possible,

but Duke is just too white.

lol can't have a CKC without KC - Nicholai Khabibulin (LN21)

by Andy Edwards on Dec 2, 2009 9:35 PM CST reply actions  

even their black guys are too white

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by benfunke on Dec 3, 2009 3:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Indiana is also very vanilla this year.

I used to work with an old man that told me. Son, every workplace has a dumbass, if you don't have one where you work, then I'm afraid you're it.

by Warden11 on Dec 3, 2009 6:01 AM CST up reply actions  

So, what say you gentlemen about my prognostications?

lol can't have a CKC without KC - Nicholai Khabibulin (LN21)

by Andy Edwards on Dec 2, 2009 9:40 PM CST reply actions  

You forgot to mention Rod Stewart against USC

With Rush out Steward played insanely well against the Trojans. Really filled in well with Rush out at the three that year

by KU Grad 08 on Dec 2, 2009 9:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Here is a crazy preseason tournament

Take the entire NCAA tourny field from last year and have a preseason tourny based on that. Same teams, seeds, etc. Tons of juicy rematches, help you see where teams should be ranked, etc. Then let teams start their noncons.

I think this would be insane. What better way to start the season than with some march madness type drama?

by KU Grad 08 on Dec 2, 2009 9:44 PM CST reply actions  

Or take the preseason 64 teams and seed from there

Or have two big preseason tournaments. The Gauntlet Tournament in which you take the major leagues and seed teams 1-64 and play out a tournament, then take the 32 bracket buster leagues and have them playout a tournament. Eliminate the other early season tournaments and have those two.

Ratings be huge, awesome early matchups, juicy matchups, help the rankings be more accurate for the season to start.

I’d watch this like crazy.

by KU Grad 08 on Dec 2, 2009 9:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Not bad.

I’ve heard a couple guys advocate for the Big 12 having their tournament before the regular season like the Big 8 used to. It would get tons of publicity since it would determine the first team in the tournament. And the winner wouldn’t be pretty much ignored like it is now.

by hunter s. royal on Dec 2, 2009 9:50 PM CST up reply actions  

I like that

Or do it before big12 play starts so teams are in midseason form, then play the league games.

by KU Grad 08 on Dec 2, 2009 10:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Sorry. That's what I meant.

Have your pre-Big 12 games, then play the tourney.

by hunter s. royal on Dec 2, 2009 10:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Awesome.

Let’s do this.

I thought you knew that algebra was all razzamatazz. A Globetrotter always saves the good algebra for the final minutes.

by SlamDunkTheFunk on Dec 2, 2009 9:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Looks like the Dukies are choking earlier

than normal this year. It’s not even close to March. Badgers up 11.

by hunter s. royal on Dec 2, 2009 9:57 PM CST reply actions  

Well

Duke shouldn’t be ranked 5. It should be Kansas and everyone else until a little later on in the season.

I thought you knew that algebra was all razzamatazz. A Globetrotter always saves the good algebra for the final minutes.

by SlamDunkTheFunk on Dec 2, 2009 9:59 PM CST up reply actions  

True this year.

As Wisconsin gives back 5 points to make it close again.

by hunter s. royal on Dec 2, 2009 10:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah

I mean, I’m sure it sounds arrogant or whatever but KU clearly looks like the best team right now and there doesn’t seem to be a clear cut “High Tier” of teams outside of them.

I thought you knew that algebra was all razzamatazz. A Globetrotter always saves the good algebra for the final minutes.

by SlamDunkTheFunk on Dec 2, 2009 10:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Almost every other team

has been exposed in some manner so far. KU has weaknesses, but they’ve not really been exposed to any great extent. We may not know much more than we found out in the Memphis game until well into the Big XII season. Actually, I take that back. The Tennessee game is going to be huge.

Operation 40-0 is a go. Proceed to target.

by Bensa on Dec 2, 2009 10:08 PM CST up reply actions  

What's nice about b-ball is you can get whipped,

learn something, and make yourselves better. It’s not like the Texas-OU football game where the loser is almost always out of the title chase a month into the season.

by hunter s. royal on Dec 2, 2009 10:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Holy hell

Wisconsin is choking this one away big-time.

I thought you knew that algebra was all razzamatazz. A Globetrotter always saves the good algebra for the final minutes.

by SlamDunkTheFunk on Dec 2, 2009 10:07 PM CST reply actions  

I love that Brent Musberger

is wearing a sweater, too, with Bob Knight. Kinda like he’s making fun of him.

lol can't have a CKC without KC - Nicholai Khabibulin (LN21)

by Andy Edwards on Dec 2, 2009 10:13 PM CST reply actions  

Hahahahaha

I thought you knew that algebra was all razzamatazz. A Globetrotter always saves the good algebra for the final minutes.

by SlamDunkTheFunk on Dec 2, 2009 10:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Musberger's kind of an a-hole,

but he gets his shots in. Nice touch as you well point out.

by hunter s. royal on Dec 2, 2009 10:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Bob Knight needs to stfu more

He just drones on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on…

I thought you knew that algebra was all razzamatazz. A Globetrotter always saves the good algebra for the final minutes.

by SlamDunkTheFunk on Dec 2, 2009 10:15 PM CST reply actions  

Holy hell

did that ever look like goaltending to me.

I thought you knew that algebra was all razzamatazz. A Globetrotter always saves the good algebra for the final minutes.

by SlamDunkTheFunk on Dec 2, 2009 10:16 PM CST reply actions  

Big 10 >>> ACC???

lol can't have a CKC without KC - Nicholai Khabibulin (LN21)

by Andy Edwards on Dec 2, 2009 10:17 PM CST reply actions  

Yeah

Bob Knight doing the typical broadcaster bullshit. THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT INBOUNDS OF THE YEAR. NOW ITS THE MOST IMPORTANT INBOUNDS OF THE YEAR. Yeah, an inbounds play in early December is going to be the most important inbounds play of their season. Good call, dude. I hate you.

I thought you knew that algebra was all razzamatazz. A Globetrotter always saves the good algebra for the final minutes.

by SlamDunkTheFunk on Dec 2, 2009 10:17 PM CST reply actions  

Duke is no longer worthy of a floor-rushing.

Don’t do it.

lol can't have a CKC without KC - Nicholai Khabibulin (LN21)

by Andy Edwards on Dec 2, 2009 10:18 PM CST reply actions  

I learned to tolerate him

a lot more when he took the USA to gold in the Olympics. He showed he’s a damn good coach still. Even though at Duke, they suck. He did a good job with all of those egos and brought us back the gold.

That said, I still don’t like him. I just don’t loathe him as before.

lol can't have a CKC without KC - Nicholai Khabibulin (LN21)

by Andy Edwards on Dec 2, 2009 10:20 PM CST up reply actions  

That said, I still don’t like him. I just don’t loathe him as before.

This.

I thought you knew that algebra was all razzamatazz. A Globetrotter always saves the good algebra for the final minutes.

by SlamDunkTheFunk on Dec 2, 2009 10:21 PM CST up reply actions  

They did.

I thought you knew that algebra was all razzamatazz. A Globetrotter always saves the good algebra for the final minutes.

by SlamDunkTheFunk on Dec 2, 2009 10:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Bob Knight

Talking about Wisconsin taking a timeout after the free throw. Why would you do that?

TELL ME, MR KNIGHT. WAS THAT THE MOST IMPORTANT INBOUNDS PLAY OF WISCONSIN’S SEASON?

I thought you knew that algebra was all razzamatazz. A Globetrotter always saves the good algebra for the final minutes.

by SlamDunkTheFunk on Dec 2, 2009 10:19 PM CST reply actions  

Hell yeah

I’d do Holly Rowe. Maybe I do have a thing for whales, afterall…

I thought you knew that algebra was all razzamatazz. A Globetrotter always saves the good algebra for the final minutes.

by SlamDunkTheFunk on Dec 2, 2009 10:21 PM CST reply actions  

Dude

I bet she IS an animal.

I thought you knew that algebra was all razzamatazz. A Globetrotter always saves the good algebra for the final minutes.

by SlamDunkTheFunk on Dec 2, 2009 10:22 PM CST up reply actions  

......

Holy shit. I don’t even know what to say. Dude.

lol can't have a CKC without KC - Nicholai Khabibulin (LN21)

by Andy Edwards on Dec 2, 2009 10:23 PM CST up reply actions  

lmao.

Mission accomplished.

I thought you knew that algebra was all razzamatazz. A Globetrotter always saves the good algebra for the final minutes.

by SlamDunkTheFunk on Dec 2, 2009 10:23 PM CST up reply actions  

the boxscore for tonights game is hilarious

http://twinkietalk.com
http://thecollegehockeyblog.com

by fetch9 on Dec 2, 2009 10:30 PM CST reply actions  

My parents who are Wisconsin alums were asleep

I called them and my moms like what? oh really? well thats good, I don’t like Duke their coach looks like Hitler.

Never laughed so hard in my life.

by KU Grad 08 on Dec 2, 2009 10:44 PM CST reply actions  

A perceptive woman, your mom.

KU got a pretty good run on Sportscenter. Guess those 36-0 runs mean something, even if your opponents suck.

by hunter s. royal on Dec 2, 2009 10:48 PM CST up reply actions  

I would just like to say

that I think you’re selling Colorado short. They could be a dangerous team this year. Not 15 wins dangerous, but a scrappy bunch that wins a few games they probably shouldn’t.

I thought you knew that algebra was all razzamatazz. A Globetrotter always saves the good algebra for the final minutes.

by SlamDunkTheFunk on Dec 2, 2009 11:17 PM CST reply actions  

Definitely could be, scared the shit out of Gonzaga.

I used to work with an old man that told me. Son, every workplace has a dumbass, if you don't have one where you work, then I'm afraid you're it.

by Warden11 on Dec 3, 2009 6:04 AM CST up reply actions  

If there’s a video of Xavier’s jump, could someone direct me to it? I’m very interested.

Insanity is just a state of mind.

by giants9107 on Dec 3, 2009 1:35 AM CST reply actions  

I'm pretty much computer illiterate as far as the links giant

but it was all over ESPN tonight so I would check their sites.

by hunter s. royal on Dec 3, 2009 1:57 AM CST up reply actions  

nice write up

I’d give the Big 12 the 7-5 nod as well.

I love that we decided to do this “hardwood series” but I wish it was somehow in a shorter span of time and more publisized like the ACC Big 10 challenge is. Would be good for both conferences.

by I need more Esteban on Dec 3, 2009 2:59 PM CST reply actions  

Jesus dude. Relax.

It was someone’s opinion, the nature of sport blogs is to discuss and debate things while respecting everyone’s write to an opinion.

I guess I’d be bitter at the world too if I was a Colorado fan but sheesh, take a chill pill.

If you are such an expert go work at ESPN with the other “experts.”

by KU Grad 08 on Dec 4, 2009 1:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Don't care about a pun, but it should definitely be "right" to an opinion.

I used to work with an old man that told me- Son, every workplace has a dumbass. If you don't have one where you work, then I'm afraid you're it.

by Warden11 on Dec 4, 2009 2:18 PM CST up reply actions  

I dunno, man:

-UCLA will get destroyed by Kansas

Seems like a pretty bright guy to me. ; )

RODD TEESING, my arch-nemesis! Give us back our TODD, you rapscallion!

by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Dec 4, 2009 8:07 PM CST up reply actions  

and Warden...

throws a crushing right hook in the battle of KC v Warden

Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.

by Owen Kemp on Dec 4, 2009 2:45 PM CST up reply actions  

I had to post that comment, it was just too good to pass up.

I used to work with an old man that told me- Son, every workplace has a dumbass. If you don't have one where you work, then I'm afraid you're it.

by Warden11 on Dec 5, 2009 8:37 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, I'll give you that one.

YOu had a little help, though. Seems people like to hate on me? And, I was actually getting really pissed when I first read it until I saw the Disclaimer at the bottom, hahahah.

lol can't have a CKC without KC - Nicholai Khabibulin (LN21)

by Andy Edwards on Dec 5, 2009 11:07 AM CST up reply actions  

I knew you'd take it all in stride, had to make sure lurkers and everyone else knew it.

I used to work with an old man that told me- Son, every workplace has a dumbass. If you don't have one where you work, then I'm afraid you're it.

by Warden11 on Dec 5, 2009 11:29 AM CST up reply actions  

And here I was...

trying to make a good name for Colorado fans. Thanks for fucking that up, genius. The DP is calling you. They want their lead Muppet back.

I thought you knew that algebra was all razzamatazz. A Globetrotter always saves the good algebra for the final minutes.

by SlamDunkTheFunk on Dec 4, 2009 9:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Gosh Slam,

I thought you turned this guy on to the site!

by hunter s. royal on Dec 4, 2009 10:52 PM CST up reply actions  

CU will win no doubt?

Well they just lost, dumb ass (to use the words you used earlier).

You lose sir. You lose.

by KU Grad 08 on Dec 5, 2009 12:01 AM CST up reply actions  

Haha, thanks, Grad.

I just now saw this. I’ll let his fortune telling skills speak for themselves.

lol can't have a CKC without KC - Nicholai Khabibulin (LN21)

by Andy Edwards on Dec 5, 2009 2:58 AM CST up reply actions  

the thing that kills me most about Colorado bball fans...

is the whole obsession with Bzdelik as a “former NBA coach”…while that is true it sure as heck doesn’t appear to be helping him recruit off the charts. It’s not as if Phil Jackson decided to go to Boulder, it’s Jeff Bzdelik. Do high profile basketball recruits even know who Jeff Bzdelik is?

I think he’s a good coach but just because he was a head guy in the NBA for a few seasons doesn’t mean much. Hell if that’s really the secret to success I’d be all for Lew making a secret agreement to let Bill go coach a few mildly successful seasons in the NBA and then return. That way we could say “we have a former NBA coach”.

Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.

by Owen Kemp on Dec 5, 2009 7:13 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah might as well say

Former NBA guy who decided to go hangout in Boulder for a while and hit the slopes while somewhat coaching.

Sounds like certain NCAA football coaches who spend too much time on the golf course…

by KU Grad 08 on Dec 5, 2009 1:21 PM CST up reply actions  

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