Big 10 Expansion & Kansas?
by Big10Tour on Dec 15, 2009 7:09 PM CST
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PrintSo amidst all of this hoopla today that the Big 10 will pursue a twelfth team and add a conference championship game, the only addition that I find at all appealing would be Kansas. The entirely new market, the positive nationwide reputation, and great academic standards...
So as a guy who spent his fall traveling to every Big 10 campus on his own dime, I would certainly welcome Kansas into the fold...but why on earth would Kansas consider leaving the Big 12?
Us Big 10 fans can only dream...but hey, if you'd care to take a look at the campuses/venues/traditions that you could be traveling to over the next few years, here's a recap of my fall traveling "big 10 country" from the average joe perspective:
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I've been hearing Mizzou, personally
I just don’t see how this is gonna happen, especially for KU. There’s no way KU switches conferences away from their traditional rivals Mizzou and K-State, and since only one school could leave, I just don’t see it being KU.
I think the Big 10 should go after Pitt, personally. Blue collar atmosphere, tough, physical basketball team, natural in-state rivalry with Penn St. That’s where I’d go, but I think they’d have a hard time pulling them from the Big East, where Pitt has a much better chance of making BCS bowls on a semi-regular basis.
Operation 40-0 is a go. Proceed to target.
Yeah, if Pitt cares about its football team they'll stay where they are. The Big East is a hell of a bball conference, too.
I think they’d have a hard time pulling them from the Big East, where Pitt has a much better chance of making BCS bowls on a semi-regular basis.
One area that I am completely ignorant about is how does being in a conference influence the academics of the school? Does being in the same conference as other schools make it more prestigious or what? I’ve read/heard the Big10 will use that when wooing schools and I just don’t get it.
I used to work with an old man that told me- Son, every workplace has a dumbass. If you don't have one where you work, then I'm afraid you're it.
The Big 10 Consortium
There is a big-deal program between all the Big Ten schools to share resources, information, etc. for post-graduate research. It’s actually pretty neat- that combined power makes them one of the most powerful research groups in the world.
In fact, I found this on the Iowa Hawkeyes blog today about Notre Dame that I thought was interesting:
Also, the Chronicle of Higher Education wrote a while ago that the faculty of ND would like to join the Big Ten for academic purposes to further enhance its academic profile and cooperations.
The Faculty Senate had voted 25-4 in support of joining the Committee on Institutional Cooperation, an academic consortium composed of the 11 Big Ten schools and the University of Chicago. In the view of the Faculty Senate, the affiliation with major research facilities would have enhanced academic status.
In that same post, he also mentioned that SEC teams actually make more money off their TV deal than Notre Dame does with its exclusive deal with NBC. I never realized that.
"Here are our top priorities: recruit, beat Missouri, recruit, win the North, recruit, win the Big 12, and in most cases if you win the Big 12 then you're playing for a National Championship. And then we're going to recruit."
by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Dec 15, 2009 8:09 PM CST up reply actions
So pretty much ignore what I wrote below
I’m an idiot.
Seriously, though, who knew there was an athletic conference actually interested in academics? Bizarre…
Operation 40-0 is a go. Proceed to target.
Part of the reason the Rose Bowl loves the smell of its own farts so much is that the Pac-10 and Big Ten pretend to value academics first.
I say “pretend” because when I went to Northwestern, I had a football player in one of my classes that was actually illiterate. Didn’t have to take the final exam, though. Interesting…
"Here are our top priorities: recruit, beat Missouri, recruit, win the North, recruit, win the Big 12, and in most cases if you win the Big 12 then you're playing for a National Championship. And then we're going to recruit."
by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Dec 15, 2009 8:18 PM CST up reply actions
Well
I'm shocked.
Actually, as the son of a Northwestern PhD, I’d say I am actually surprised they let guys get away with that stuff. If there was one place that would prohibit such blatant cheating, I would have thought it would be Northwestern. Oh well…
Operation 40-0 is a go. Proceed to target.
Honestly, I have no idea
I think their main draw is the Big 10 Network, which is a pretty big deal. Lots of revenue gets shared throughout the conference based on that, I suspect.
I keep trying to figure out why so many non-Big 10 people hate the Big 10. I really don’t think it’s jealousy, so it must be something else. I would welcome some help on this matter.
Operation 40-0 is a go. Proceed to target.
Pitt also has about 2.5 times the endowment that Mizzou has...
And Mizzou has to spread theirs amongst 4 different universities in their system (MU, UMKC, UMSL, and Rolla).
Apparently PSU and Pitt refuse to play eachother in football for some reason- something to do with JoePa hating them or Pitt hating JoePa or something. So that could be trouble.
But THEN I found out about something even more interesting- Iowa has refused to play Missouri in football since 1910 due to the racist treatment Iowa’s black players received from MU students and alumni. Check out this story, it’s pretty dramatic:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Kinney_Holbrook#The_1896_Missouri_Game
"Here are our top priorities: recruit, beat Missouri, recruit, win the North, recruit, win the Big 12, and in most cases if you win the Big 12 then you're playing for a National Championship. And then we're going to recruit."
by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Dec 15, 2009 8:17 PM CST up reply actions
Mizzou, NU and KU
Were founding members of the Big 8/ MVIAA conference back in 1907 No way any of them are leaving the Big 12. No way.
There's a blog post at KCStar.com about why Mizzou would consider it...
Apparently they’re pretty pissed about being passed over by bowls three years in a row now, and their games are almost never on TV. Also, since the Big 12 doesn’t revenue share completely evenly, and Mizzou never wins anything of substance, they always end up on the financial short end of the stick. Apparently even Northwestern gets more TV revenue every year than MU. Heh.
Personally, I think they need to stop bitching about the Big 12 and start bitching about their AD who apparently can’t sell his program worth a darn.
"Here are our top priorities: recruit, beat Missouri, recruit, win the North, recruit, win the Big 12, and in most cases if you win the Big 12 then you're playing for a National Championship. And then we're going to recruit."
by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Dec 15, 2009 8:30 PM CST up reply actions
Not sure how accurate this is
but there are rumors that the Big 10 only wants a school that has a ……wrestling team
That's the Money Sport of the Future!
"Here are our top priorities: recruit, beat Missouri, recruit, win the North, recruit, win the Big 12, and in most cases if you win the Big 12 then you're playing for a National Championship. And then we're going to recruit."
by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Dec 15, 2009 8:27 PM CST up reply actions
There's a lot of interesting angles to this issue, IMO
First of all, you are correct to prefer us over MU. We’re the better school, we’ve got the bigger endowment, we’re a national powerhouse in basketball, we travel well for football (so we don’t get passed over for bowls), our women are better looking, yadda yadda yadda…
But what would we stand to gain from such a move? I wouldn’t like it in hoops- every team in the Big 10 plays the same style, which doesn’t properly prepare you for the tournament, IMO.
Football? I’d assume we’d be in some kind of western division with Iowa, Minnesota, Illinois, NW, and UW. Seems pretty similar to the Big 12 North to me. I guess playing in the Shoe and the Big House would be pretty cool, but we’d only be doing that once every four years…
"Here are our top priorities: recruit, beat Missouri, recruit, win the North, recruit, win the Big 12, and in most cases if you win the Big 12 then you're playing for a National Championship. And then we're going to recruit."
by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Dec 15, 2009 8:24 PM CST reply actions
Plus
Assuming we keep the Border War going, by moving we’re basically losing a non-conference game every year to play the Tiggers.
And only playing one basketball game a year would suck. Would that have to be in the Sprint Center?
"Here are our top priorities: recruit, beat Missouri, recruit, win the North, recruit, win the Big 12, and in most cases if you win the Big 12 then you're playing for a National Championship. And then we're going to recruit."
by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Dec 15, 2009 8:25 PM CST up reply actions
I'd hate to see MU or KU give up the home court in basketball.
I used to work with an old man that told me- Son, every workplace has a dumbass. If you don't have one where you work, then I'm afraid you're it.
Take this Fanpost with a grain of salt
because the author has posted it on several other SB blogs and just changed the name in the fanpost. Looks like he’s just trying to drive traffic to his website.
It’s an interesting topic though, but it probably applies to MU more than us.
by hunter s. royal on Dec 15, 2009 9:07 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
It has brought lots of interesting discussion though,
so even spammers can contribute to RCT. :D
by hunter s. royal on Dec 17, 2009 7:01 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not sure if you cats are aware
But there has been some under-the-table “plans” if you will for this for years. There used to be talk that the Big10 could take Mizzou (it already has a decent rivalry with Illinois and could schedule KU every year in football and basketball like it does with Illinois) and the Big12 could add another Texas team (TCU or Houston possibly) or more likely Arkansas, who has past huge rivalries with the old SWC teams and is pretty close to the rest of the Big12 teams (especially compared to someone like Coloradie).
IMO Iowa State easily makes the most sense if its someone coming from the Big12. HUGE in-state rivalry with Big10 Iowa, no big rivalry with any big12 teams, real close to big10 country, etc. KU is further away, has two rivalries, averages more than 50 points a game in hoops and 10 points a game in football, etc. The ONLY thing that may make KU fit better than say an Iowa State is our size, Big10 schools are freaking huge and KU right now I believe is the third largest college in the big12 behind Texas and Texas Tech.
I think Pittsburg would be a solid choice in terms of academics, talent in both major sports and location. Maybe Notre Dame joins the Big lEast in football finally to replace them too. Probably not.
Arkansas in the Big 12 would be awesome.
Their football team has a slight identity issue and the basketball team is struggling right now, but I love their campus and Fayetteville is kick ass.
I used to work with an old man that told me- Son, every workplace has a dumbass. If you don't have one where you work, then I'm afraid you're it.
Definitely agree on this
They have big12 appeal to me, old rivalries, solid overall in football and hoops (TCU and Houston such at bball) cool uniforms (I love their red, its almost like metallic), a cool mascot and “kansas” is part of the name.
I say we take Arkansas into the south and ditch Baylor but thats mean, plus Baylor has gotten a ton better in football and basketball. I just don’t want to lose Mizzou even though I hate them. Its like the south park where Kyle moves away and Cartman feels empty because he can’t rip on him, and ripping on butters (who would be Kstate in this case) just doesn’t feel as good (in this case, the fact that we have won 38 of the last 40 hoops games against them, etc).
by Andrew Clark on Dec 15, 2009 9:54 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Holy shit can somebody make this MU/Kyle KState/Butters thing happen?
Put the kids in the uniforms or something. This is gold.
"Here are our top priorities: recruit, beat Missouri, recruit, win the North, recruit, win the Big 12, and in most cases if you win the Big 12 then you're playing for a National Championship. And then we're going to recruit."
by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Dec 16, 2009 2:46 AM CST up reply actions
Had many great times in Fayetteville back in the day.
It does have a nice campus. I’d guess under that scenario, they would just take MU’s place in the North and we keep on trucking? Who would the SEC go after then? Louisville might make the most sense, unless they went after Texas…
Holy crap this whole thing is mind-bottling. It’s like literally putting your mind in a bottle.
"Here are our top priorities: recruit, beat Missouri, recruit, win the North, recruit, win the Big 12, and in most cases if you win the Big 12 then you're playing for a National Championship. And then we're going to recruit."
by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Dec 15, 2009 11:36 PM CST up reply actions
They'd already have one of the best stadiums in the conference, IMO.
That place is impressive.
Still gotta wonder- who does the SEC go get to replace them? Clemson? Georgia Tech? Louisville? Personally, I don’t think it’s totally out of the question that the SEC would go after a Big 12 team in retaliation. What if Texas said, “screw it, let’s make the uber conference” and made the leap?
"Here are our top priorities: recruit, beat Missouri, recruit, win the North, recruit, win the Big 12, and in most cases if you win the Big 12 then you're playing for a National Championship. And then we're going to recruit."
by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Dec 16, 2009 2:50 AM CST up reply actions
Leaving the Big12
For Texas woud be a huge mistake. THey and OU OWN the Big 12. If they jumped to the SEC they would generally be the 3rd-4th best team in the conference… Any teams moving around are going to do so to better their situation, Moving to the SEC would be terrible for the Longhorns.
A scenerio: ISU, NU, or MU move to the Big 10, and Arkansas or TCU moves to the Big 12, I think the Big 12 has to consider realignment to East and West divisions. The south owns the north in football, basketball would not be impacted greatly since everyone plays everybody at least once.
West: CU, KSU, OSU, TTU, UT, TAM
East: ISU, NU, MU, (one would be gone) KU, OU TCU, Baylor
I know it could impact some rivalries but creative scheduling could solve that but there is no doubt that the Big 12 has to figure out how to balance the football power. It was obvious by coverage (and the product on the field did not help) that the nation views the Big 12 South as a legitimate BCS conference and the North a BCS conference in name only.
They own it football
KU owns the big12 in hoops. Its ridiculous our success compared to the rest of the league (6 strait league titles for starters) not to boast or nothing.
by Andrew Clark on Dec 16, 2009 6:58 PM CST up reply actions
I don't see it happening
Even though, both academics and the endowment angle would make KU a great fit in the Big 10, i don’t see this happening. If the Big 10 wants expansion, the logical choice is Notre Dame. There has been noise about it for years. There would already be intense, long standing rivalries with Purdue, Michigan, MSU, Indiana and Ohio State that would make it quite attractive Moo U just doesn’t have the academic or economic chops to make it in the Big 10. I do not think Nebraska would make the cut either. Iowa State is a maybe, but i do not think they are thinking in that direction. And ISU still has a great rival in NU. and Moo U.
The Big 12 North is a well defined and historic entity. They have all been associated for nearly 100 years. And the travel. Ugh! I drive the distance between Indiana and Leavenworth twice a year and the travel is kind of prohibitive. We have no natural rivals in the Big 10.
If the Big 10 would take ISU, who would the 12 get to replace them? That would be an interesting conundrum. Colorado State? That might make some sense. But who would be the choice? Slim Pickings for sure.
Vern...welcome to Rock Chalk Talk...
being a Colorado guy, I wouldn’t mind seeing CSU in the Big 12…means I’d get to see a game close to home every year instead of every other. : )
Arkansas, TCU as others have mentioned make sense as well geographically.
Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.
Lets just say for arguments sake that Missouri leaves
It brings about a time of turmoil in the Big 12 such as who do we get to replace Missouri,who’s next, should we adjust our rules and guidelines.
Arkansas has a sweet deal with the SEC so not much incentive for them to leave just to have the same record and lose money, TCU 4 years later would they still have the same program and be a worthy school to be in the big 12. It’s been rumored for years the Pac 10 has wanted to lure Texas in, so imagine if Missouri and Texas both left. The remaining teams would see their tv games go way down maybe by half immediately. But you can bet on this if Texas even mentioned leaving the Big 12 for the Pac 10 or take all the texas schools and perhaps OU and Okie St to make their own conference, Don Beebe and the rest of the good ole boys would drop everthing to fix it and give in to the demands.
I know that folks at KU think the schools is a big deal ,but in reality its just an annoyance just like Missouri, KState, ISU,CU,
make no mistake who really runs this conference ,the power 4 thats who. So thoses of you who think its a joke for Missouri to want to go wait and see what happens if and when they are gone.
by Bestofthewest on Dec 16, 2009 11:36 AM CST up reply actions
Don't buy the nebraska part as much
But absolutely agree with the texas influence and OU. Although how is KU much of an annoyance? I know hoops isn’t as big a deal as football in terms of revenue and etc but KU is arguably the only elite basketball program in the conference (texas is good, it isn’t elite and they’ve never won anything).
I know KU doesn’t have many options to change the slope of things but you’d think the Big12 would give it a little more pull because without KU the big12 in basketball has what, how many national titles (if they have one). I’m not sure about the stats, but I’m pretty sure KU has more final four appearances, national titles, and big12 league titles than the rest of the conference combined.
by Andrew Clark on Dec 16, 2009 7:07 PM CST up reply actions
Kansas is the only team in the Big 12...
to win a title SINCE the conference was formed. Kansas does make the conference relevant in basketball more so than any other school and it’s not really close.
Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.
Appearantly Kansas fans are happy with the way things are in the league
if so why try or even worry about trying to change anything.
by Bestofthewest on Dec 16, 2009 9:13 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not too worried about how the Big 12 set up at the moment.
I used to work with an old man that told me- Son, every workplace has a dumbass. If you don't have one where you work, then I'm afraid you're it.
well I was just stating the bball perspective..
from a football perspective there is a lot I’d like to see changed and I agree with you on all fronts in that regard.
Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.
Thats all true but i wasnt really talking about basketball
I was mostly talking football, How is kansas an annoyance do you honestly think anyone other than OU and NU and occasionally ATM give Texas any pause at all? Were all just speed bumps up here the way things are now.
Do you think its just a coincedence that the Big 12 HQ was moved to Dallas the first chance they got.
by Bestofthewest on Dec 16, 2009 9:10 PM CST up reply actions
You really think things would be any different in the Big Ten?
You think the Big Ten would listen to Mizzou over Ohio State or Michigan? I know Michigan is down right now, but that entire conference revolves around that football rivalry (in the same way the Big 12 revolves around the Red River Shootout).
I’m not really sure what you’re referring to when you refer to KU football as an “annoyance.” I mean, sure, we rarely give UT or OU much of a game. But we have gone to and won an Orange Bowl, we’ve shown that our fans travel well, etc.- all good things for the conference in general.
Is that why Mizzou is thinking about leaving? They’re tired of getting the crap kicked out of them by Texas? That’s pretty lame.
"Here are our top priorities: recruit, beat Missouri, recruit, win the North, recruit, win the Big 12, and in most cases if you win the Big 12 then you're playing for a National Championship. And then we're going to recruit."
by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Dec 17, 2009 2:02 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not sure if you are looking for a response from me on this or not...
I don’t expect anything to happen with the Missouri to Big 10 talk so…
Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.
Well it's going to be a year or year and a half
before anything is decided anyway, Im fine either way. But the school would be better of in the Big ten i believe. But like I said on Rock M if they really want to fix it ,or change things you gotta win.
by Bestofthewest on Dec 16, 2009 12:09 PM CST up reply actions
Just curious, why you think MU would be better off in the Big 10. Not questioning it, just curious on the reasons.
Also, when you say if they want to fix it they need to change things or win, what are you talking about fixing?
Apologies if you have explained it somewhere else, I haven’t been following this too much yet, been busy lately.
Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.
I'm guessing "fix it" means tv money.
It may also refer to how bowl teams are selected, but I’m just guessing.
I used to work with an old man that told me- Son, every workplace has a dumbass. If you don't have one where you work, then I'm afraid you're it.
What i meant by missouri would be better off
is the fact that the Big Ten has a lot of money going to research, they split that equally as well. Athlectically I dont think it would a huge difference either way, but I do think Missouri could be sucessful.
It seems to me that the big complaints ive heard are the bowl selection,as it is determined by ticket sales rather than the way you finish. The TV time, or the lack there of, and the 9-3 vote needed to change anything.
Well if you really want to change things you must win, schedule a little tougher non -con games, lose no less than 1 conference games, and win the Big12 north and the championship game. If you win and have good games the TV exposure will come as well as the Bowl games. Sure Missouri has been to 5 straight bowls but in my opinion till you get to the Fiesta bowl or another BSC bowl most of the other bowls are interchangeable. And as far as the 9-3 vote well thats not changing till Texas wants it changed.
by Bestofthewest on Dec 16, 2009 12:58 PM CST up reply actions
I want someone that is joining the league to add to the success of it
CSU football is middle tier mountain west, and its basketball team is terrible. Gotta be a better replacement for Mizzou, who has been the top north football team recently (till a down year this year) and is starting to make noise in hoops.
Did I just complement mizzou? Excuse me while I go vomit
by Andrew Clark on Dec 16, 2009 7:02 PM CST up reply actions
I agree about Notre Dame...
…partially because I just want to see them in a conference where they actually have to compete for some form of a reputation. And, like you said, geographically they’re already in the midst of Big 10/11 country.
If a Big 12 team were to leave for the Big 10/11, Mizzou or ISU are the more logical choices given their locations and rivalries, but that’s really it. I think Colorado St. would be a logical replacement, as would Arkansas. I don’t want another Texas school, the four we have are enough.
I don't know, I like to think that things started out initially with good intentions, but then we just loused it up. Kind of like intelligence. We have this glorious thing that allowed us to survive for millenia and now we use it to write porn film plots involving pterodactyls. Talk about wasting the gift.
by tequilaprophet on Dec 16, 2009 11:06 AM CST up reply actions
amen
If a Big 12 team were to leave for the Big 10/11, Mizzou or ISU are the more logical choices given their locations and rivalries, but that’s really it. I think Colorado St. would be a logical replacement, as would Arkansas. I don’t want another Texas school, the four we have are enough.
Assuming either ISU or MU went to the Big 10, Colorado State would be an ideal candidate to slide into the North. If it were Arkansas joining, I’d love to see OU move to the North. The annual OU-NU matchup has so much history, it would be great to have it again.
But what about other options? Although it’s further out, BYU football would be great to add. Creighton would great for basketball, but they don’t have a football team. What about Northern Iowa or Tulsa?
If MU would leave (I find it more likely than ISU), choices:
1. Arkansas
2. BYU
3. Tulsa
4. Northern Iowa
I could live with Tulsa
Really don’t want BYU. That’s just stretching the conference too thin geographically. I don’t know anything about Northern Iowa, though they’ve had some bball success in recent years, right?
I don't know, I like to think that things started out initially with good intentions, but then we just loused it up. Kind of like intelligence. We have this glorious thing that allowed us to survive for millenia and now we use it to write porn film plots involving pterodactyls. Talk about wasting the gift.
by tequilaprophet on Dec 16, 2009 12:48 PM CST up reply actions
Yuck to both.
Has to be another major institution. Baylor’s hard enough to take seriously.
I used to work with an old man that told me- Son, every workplace has a dumbass. If you don't have one where you work, then I'm afraid you're it.
Tulsa, TCU, Arkansas, or Colorado State
are the schools that would see.
Or maybe we eliminate baylor and start calling ourselves the Big 10 and the Big 10 can start calling themselves the Big 12.
Me likey Skip Holtz
TCU, maybe.
How are their athletics outside of football? Tulsa- blech
I used to work with an old man that told me- Son, every workplace has a dumbass. If you don't have one where you work, then I'm afraid you're it.
That's always good, anything to benefit baseball.
I’m still confused as to why ESPN doesn’t push college baseball. Untapped market and they have plenty of airtime, why not make stars so the CWS could be even bigger?
I used to work with an old man that told me- Son, every workplace has a dumbass. If you don't have one where you work, then I'm afraid you're it.
I'd agree with this.
They’re all over the CWS but ignore the regular season.
by hunter s. royal on Dec 16, 2009 9:13 PM CST up reply actions
doesn't make sense to me either
the CWS actually gets pretty good ratings. They’re doing super regionals and now some regionals too, but would it kill them to do a couple regular season series? Theyd get more interest for the CWS then
Exactly, it's not like their Friday nights and weekend afternoons are full of can't miss programming in the spring.
Bowling- take it off the air, insert college baseball.
I used to work with an old man that told me- Son, every workplace has a dumbass. If you don't have one where you work, then I'm afraid you're it.
because aluminum bats s*ck
I’m a purist. The sound of an aluminum bat hitting a ball is like fingernails on a chalkboard to me.
Maybe,
but it’s not like it’s a new sound. Everyone that watches their children play Little League on up to Legion watches aluminum, not like college is that different all of the sudden.
I used to work with an old man that told me- Son, every workplace has a dumbass. If you don't have one where you work, then I'm afraid you're it.
wasn't there some talk of this a few years back?
I think it was around the realignment of the Big East or even before. There was some talk of Mizzou going to the Big 11 and Arkansas coming to the Big XII. For tradition’s sake, I would not want to see Mizzou leave the Missouri Vally, Big 6, Big 8, Big XII conference.
Me likey Skip Holtz
there has also been some chatter about the Pac10 pursuing Colorado
not recently, but has been bandied about in the past couple of decades.
I think that's
more wishful thinking on Colorado’s part lately
Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.
I don't think they'd touch Colorado with a 10 foot stick now.
(sorry slam)
I used to work with an old man that told me- Son, every workplace has a dumbass. If you don't have one where you work, then I'm afraid you're it.
Dude
With all the stuff going on with that athletic department right now, holy shit. This guy wanted to fire Hawkins but this big whig swept in at the last moment and was concerned about how it would effect him politically and didn’t want to risk any damage being done to that aspect of his life so he blocked the firing of Hawkins even though the rest of the people in charge had agreed to the buyout and were prepared to fire Hawkins after the Iowa State game.
Sigh. What a fiasco.
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by A.J. Haefele on Dec 17, 2009 1:16 AM CST up reply actions
I wouldn’t mind replacing MU with Boise. They’re far more relevant nationally in football, and they made the NCAA tournament last year in hoops. They would have some catching up to do, but the prestige of the Big XII would help them do that pretty quick, IMO.
"Here are our top priorities: recruit, beat Missouri, recruit, win the North, recruit, win the Big 12, and in most cases if you win the Big 12 then you're playing for a National Championship. And then we're going to recruit."
by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Dec 17, 2009 2:07 PM CST reply actions
Aren't they pretty far removed from the rest of the conference?
That would be a shitty road schedule to have no matter how you slice it.
I don't know, I like to think that things started out initially with good intentions, but then we just loused it up. Kind of like intelligence. We have this glorious thing that allowed us to survive for millenia and now we use it to write porn film plots involving pterodactyls. Talk about wasting the gift.
by tequilaprophet on Dec 17, 2009 3:42 PM CST up reply actions
It can’t be any further than Minnesota or Iowa to Penn State.
I wouldn’t be all that upset if the big bad South teams had to fly out to Boise once every four years.
Waco to Boise
is a pretty long trip…
Turner Gill is introduced to the Kansas Athletic dept:
Gill, I'm Bill and this is Phil. Gill, I'm Phil and this is Jill. Gil, I'm Jill, you know Bill, Phil...
But Boise already has to go to Louisiana Tech
With the current setup, Baylor would only have to make that trip once every four years. If Boise could come in and make noise in football, it would more than make up for that cost, IMO.
"Here are our top priorities: recruit, beat Missouri, recruit, win the North, recruit, win the Big 12, and in most cases if you win the Big 12 then you're playing for a National Championship. And then we're going to recruit."
by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Dec 19, 2009 9:29 AM CST up reply actions
What about Utah?
Not too much further west, real solid in football, pretty good in hoops traditionally, good academic school. I think they’d jump at a chance to join the big12 north and would instantly be a force to reckon with in the North in foosball
Does Utah have a good foosball team?
Heh, typos are fun.
"Here are our top priorities: recruit, beat Missouri, recruit, win the North, recruit, win the Big 12, and in most cases if you win the Big 12 then you're playing for a National Championship. And then we're going to recruit."
by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Dec 18, 2009 1:11 PM CST up reply actions
Wasn't a typo at all
I was quoting The Waterboy. “Don’t play that damn foosball bobby beauschay”
by Andrew Clark on Dec 18, 2009 2:14 PM CST up reply actions
My Biggest Complaint about the Big 12 Football System...
Is the mechanical process we use for scheduling. KU either A) has to play OU, Texas, and Tech in the same season, or B) doesn’t play any of them, and gets shit from the national media about “not playing anyone.” Are we really supposed to put up with this same system for ever?
I don’t understand why we can’t switch it up at least every 4 years. I know that those three teams won’t always be the powers of the Big 12. But I can’t think of any reason why switching up inter-divisional games would be a bad thing. Heck, I wouldn’t mind if we just have a random lottery every year.
"Here are our top priorities: recruit, beat Missouri, recruit, win the North, recruit, win the Big 12, and in most cases if you win the Big 12 then you're playing for a National Championship. And then we're going to recruit."
by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Dec 18, 2009 1:18 PM CST reply actions
Kind of like what the big10 does
Except Michigan and OSU every year play each other. The only problem with making it random is you will get new grumbles, for example if MU draws Texas an OU in a few strait years and KU doesn’t the MU fans will yell “we get the unlucky schedule you didn’t play anyone” so I’m not sure if that would fix it
by Andrew Clark on Dec 18, 2009 2:16 PM CST up reply actions
Governor of Missouri is now saying MU should seriously consider the move...
Seems like there’s a lot of smoke around this story. It seems to me like this would pretty much kill the basketball rivalry- the home and home is so much better. Is there any rule against playing the same team twice in your non-conference season? What if every year, our very first game of the regular season was against Mizzou, and then our very last non-conference game was against them, as well?
"Here are our top priorities: recruit, beat Missouri, recruit, win the North, recruit, win the Big 12, and in most cases if you win the Big 12 then you're playing for a National Championship. And then we're going to recruit."
by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Dec 19, 2009 9:32 AM CST reply actions
Source:
http://campuscorner.kansascity.com/node/585
"Here are our top priorities: recruit, beat Missouri, recruit, win the North, recruit, win the Big 12, and in most cases if you win the Big 12 then you're playing for a National Championship. And then we're going to recruit."
by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Dec 19, 2009 9:32 AM CST up reply actions
I suppose I could see the...
basketball game moving to KC as well. I’m sure the Sprint Center and KC would love it. Would certainly be a bigger draw than KU v La Salle. I guess the only other way I could see them playing twice is if both teams played in the same preseason tourney. I don’t see anyway around this being a blow to the rivalry.
What I’m interested in now as well is the notion that the Big 10 would consider going to 14 or even 16 teams? That was thrown out there and then you really start getting into some interesting scenario’s
Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.
Wouldn't mind a basketball and football game played at KC each year
If Missery moves. Plus I’m excited about Utah joining the north. Utah is my pick and I’m sticking with it
by Andrew Clark on Dec 19, 2009 1:54 PM CST up reply actions
MWC
Seems like there’s no scenario where they don’t end up getting screwed here, especially if the Pac-10 is looking to expand to 12 teams. It’s funny how the same commissioners that keep dogging on the MWC to claim it doesn’t deserve an automatic bid to the BCS are about to go raiding it to improve their own conferences.
Is there any chance a MWC or WAC team might tell a BCS conference to piss off? Or is there just too much money for any school to stick to its principles?
"Here are our top priorities: recruit, beat Missouri, recruit, win the North, recruit, win the Big 12, and in most cases if you win the Big 12 then you're playing for a National Championship. And then we're going to recruit."
by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Dec 19, 2009 8:21 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah its ironic for sure
In the end though the MWC schools have to jump. Big time conference, exposure, chance for a national title if you run train on your schedule, etc.
Utah would be sweet in the North. Probably fairly competitive in hoops with two games against CU, Nebraska, etc. Football, kind of scary. If Utah was in the North this year they likely compete if not win it.
by Andrew Clark on Dec 19, 2009 8:33 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think that...
…they’d be raiding the MWC to “improve” their conferences, I think they’d be raiding them just so they could still have 12 teams. It’s not like the Big 12 is sitting here thinking “hmm, we should kick out Missouri so we can go get Utah.” The scenario is that Big 10 expansion could force the Big 12 to pick up another team, and the best option would be someone from the MWC.
I don’t see any scenario where the Big 12 comes out a stronger conference if Mizzou leaves.
We'll carry the banner high!
Bring On The Cats
by TB on Dec 21, 2009 8:10 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
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