It's Ova!!!!
by Owen Kemp on Nov 7, 2009 3:07 PM CST
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History awaits? Perhaps the most embarrassing marketing campaign in history if that's what they meant. The Kansas Jayhawks have officially hit the bottom. Champ to chump and only really champs in our own minds. Zero to hero, supposed to be first to now worst and to make matters even worse Bill Snyder is in the beginning stages of the second greatest rebuilding effort in the history of college football. He already has the first you know.
Nebraska at home, Texas in Austin and Missouri at Arrowhead. Kansas hasn't won a game as difficult as any of those three all year and sitting now at 5-4 it's a very high probability that the season ends in November this year.
Is it coaching? Is it the players? What the hell happened to make the wheels fall of this thing so horribly. I'm not naive enough to sit here and say that we were so talented this should have never happened. Kansas' expectations this year were based upon an improved talent level in the program, the perception that we had a solid coaching staff and a drop off in the rest of the North.
Instead the Jayhawks have a coaching staff that isn't getting it done. Players are pressing, unmotivated and getting beat man on man by the worst in the conference which is apparently where we no belong. Worse yet is the players that have given this program everything and certainly brought Kansas up over the past two seasons look to be lost out there. Todd Reesing once again puts the defense in horrible positions twice in this one. He's done a lot for the program and it stings to see it end this way but it's looking bleak.
Tip of the cap to Kansas State, they aren't the most talented bunch but they put a hat on a hat and played football for four quarters executing their gameplan the way they wanted to and came away with a win. The best we can hope for is another Bill Snyder resignation followed by a Ron Prince hiring or we might see a return to some pretty bad days in the Sunflower Showdown.
It's time to reevaluate where this thing is headed. Is the right talent playing, are the players competing every day in practice for their spots, are we preparing every day to be the best? Are we working in the offseason the way we have in years past and lastly where are we missing so badly on this teams chemistry both from a players standpoint and yes the coaches.
Obviously I'm not out there every day putting forth the effort so my tendency is to give those that are the benefit of the doubt because certainly no one wants to lose. I will continue to do so and I will always cheer for the Jayhawks, but there are no more silver linings or moral victories this has simply been a disappointment. It's going to take a phenomenal end to change that, but today it doesn't seem like a very real option.
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appreciate the kinder words than your initial reaction : )
I can honestly say the only reason I’m even remotely hopeful that we can still beat the Huskers is it’s a home game. Beyond that, I’m not optimistic of us winning another game all year until I’m proven otherwise. It’s a disappointment and I just hope we can keep the rivalry relevant going forward. Good game today.
Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.
Yeah, I was a little fired up there for a while
But hearing about that paint thing really pissed me off this morning.
Luckily, things worked out for us.
Good game? Get off the methamphetamine.
This was a pathetic game, completely blundered away by KU. KSU did not look good, and I don’t think they’re a good team. But when Reesing completely sabotages the offense, we’re a bad team. He had 3 turnovers, none of them particularly caused by KSU, and took a terrible sack when KU had 2nd & goal at the 5. Our kicker also was lucky to be 1-3 on FG’s.
The Big 12 North is just awful this year, and being the luckiest team with the softest schedule is nothing to get excited about. This game really struck me as a return to the toilet bowl games of the 80’s, when one team would win in spite of themselves.
by hunter s. royal on Nov 7, 2009 3:32 PM CST up reply actions
sorry Hunter...
they may not be a great team but they are beating who they are supposed to and I only wish that were the case with us.
Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.
If KSU played great I'd be the first to give them credit.
They weren’t that good. We were awful and kicked the game away. We had a chance to do some great things this year and didn’t. What the hell, life goes on. I’m old enough I don’t let the games affect me for long, even after a bad loss.
I follow sports because of the games when 2 solid teams go after each other and bring out the best in each other and the winner is rightfully exhilarated and even the loser knows they gave their best. I didn’t see any of that today. :(
by hunter s. royal on Nov 7, 2009 4:58 PM CST up reply actions
oh I agree with that...
the last four weeks have given me that feeling. I’m watching bad football from my team against teams that are not playing good football either. Makes it worse, much worse to know that all are winnable if your team is playing at the level they are expected.
Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.
Yes, for all the talk of the bad schedule
we had every opportunity to control our destiny and didn’t get it done. That’s the sad part.
by hunter s. royal on Nov 7, 2009 5:18 PM CST up reply actions
With all due respect...
If Kansas State isn’t good, that means every game they’ve won in the Big 12 thus far is a fluke.
KSU has beaten four big 12 teams now, which is something no other team in the North can claim.
I’m not saying KSU is the best team in the North (as I’ve always believed that this has been NU’s division to lose this year), but the level of consistency they’ve shown is the definition of “solid”.
KSU is a solid, consistent team at this point, which is why they’re beating inconsistent teams.
Also, KU didn’t give this game away; KSU forced Reesing into bad situations and KU tried forcing things because they couldn’t run the ball effectively. KSU could have done more on offense as well, but they were content running the football and killing clock because KU couldn’t stop it.
If KU can’t start stopping the run and running the football themselves, Denver is right; KU could be home for the holidays.
Bring on the Cats
"Without getting into specifics, my exit involves a McFlurry machine and a video tape of risque commercials from overseas." -- Jack Donaghy
We are horrible
It all starts at QB, what made us so dangerous in the past now kills us. If he isn’t turning the ball over he is grounding passes, taking sacks and holding onto the ball for 20 seconds, which then leads to a turnover or sack.
If you had told me before the year/earlier this year/ hell even last week we hold KSU to 17 points I woulda taken it in a heart beat. 10 points against a team we hung 52 on last year is absolutely inexcusable, and a sign of how far we’ve fallen, regardless of how improved KSU is.
The season is over, real big disappointment. In a year the north is wide open and everyone else sucks we such even worse. Last year’s team would have coasted to a North title this year. What the hell happened?
Like we used to always say, “theres always next year…”
So Missouri loses to Baylor, CU beats A&M...
it’s looking like Arrowhead might be for 2nd to last in the North rather than any kind of divisional title.
K-State is in the drivers seat especially if the Corn lose to OU…
Corn in 2nd
ISU in third
CU in Fourth
KU last
MU last
Feels a little more like the late 90’s early 2000’s right now. Thats when I was at school and let me tell ya…it blows.
Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.
Still the possibility KSU wins the North
and is bowl ineligible. That would probably be a fitting end to this season.
by hunter s. royal on Nov 7, 2009 5:21 PM CST up reply actions
Is that right???
They’ve got 6 wins right now. I know one of them was against an FCS team, but were two of them? Do they have to win another game to be bowl eligible?
It's rather ironic that people will actually have to pay money to see Michael Moore's new Anti-Capitalism film, don't you think?
They need another win.
2 of their wins are against non-D-1 teams and they can only count one of them.
by hunter s. royal on Nov 7, 2009 5:46 PM CST up reply actions
From potent offense to pathetic offense. How did it happen so fast?
I am not sure if it is true that Reesing has been out partying quite a bit this year, but something seems odd. Mangino should give Reesing a half and if he plays like he has the past few weeks pull him and start getting Pick some time. Every week I wait for the light to turn on with this team and every week it gets a little more frustrating. On a positive note the defense is looking decent. Where the hell is the offense?
I can't imagine partying...
has led to four miserable games. I really think it was a few mistakes and Todd didn’t turn the page. He’s let things get in his head and it’s been a downward spiral in terms of confidence. The one area I’m still struggling to justify though is the constant balls in the dirt during the course of the game. I get the confidence might be shaken, I understand you can’t scramble as well if the groin is truly hurt…but I’ve never seen so many balls hit the ground 5 yards in front of their intended target before. It’s just off.
Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.
I haven't watched every KU game, but I've been unimpressed with their ability to establish the run...
One thing you saw from 2005-2007 was an ability to run the ball that assisted in making Reesing a much better passer. Cornish, McAnderson, a healthy Sharp, etc. forced teams to respect the run, and that opened up the passing game.
Right now, poor line play and a banged up Sharp (and a misused Opurum…in my opinion) are not getting the job done. This has made KU very one dimensional and easy to game plan. KSU likes to sit back in a soft zone defense, and KU’s attack kind of played into our hands. Because they never could move the ball on the ground, KSU was content in dropping seven or eight guys in coverage, and that greatly reduced the offense’s effectiveness.
Bring on the Cats
"Without getting into specifics, my exit involves a McFlurry machine and a video tape of risque commercials from overseas." -- Jack Donaghy
I think you hit the nail on the head there...
predictable, one dimensional and a defensive coordinators wet dream right now. There are few things at play in terms of the running game.
Mangino and Warriner are extremely hesitant to move away from Sharp and even Reesing for that matter because of
what they’ve done for the program. Without Reesing, Mangino might not even still have the job.
While I’m torn on making a switch at QB I do think a change needed to be made at RB.
Unfortunately an injured Sharp isn’t a threat. As far as Opurum it’s absolutely a case of misusing his abilities. Still we also know Toben isn’t quite ready to shoulder the entire load. Problem there is there aren’t any other options. We have no depth beyond those two. There are a variety of reasons we don’t have any additional options, transfers, youth and in some case pure lack of effort. It’s too bad no one wanted to step up and be a part of the solution.
Overall though, we’ve been looking at 8 guys in coverage all year so while Todd does look like the goat in all of this, it isn’t entirely his fault because everyone knows the passing game is the only way Kansas beats you and they play accordingly.
Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.
I'd put some of this on Warriner's shoulders...
TB and I were conversing this evening, and KU was effective when they tried just dinking and dunking with the passing game. Five yards here, five yards there, and five more on a screen pass. It’s when they got impatient and tried pressing the issue that they got in trouble.
You can tell that Reesing is trying to win games on his own, and he’s pressing. That’s why he’s making bonehead plays. In 2007, he just threw the ball and let his teammates do their thing. Maybe he had better talent around him, but he played within himself and within the offense. Given his physical abilities and intangibles, it was a perfect fit. However, somewhere between 2007 and 2008, KU’s coaches thought he could be a dynamic playmaker, and while he’s a scrambler, he just doesn’t have the physical tools to win a game on his own. He needs help.
In a way, I always viewed him as the anti-Freeman. Freeman had all of the physical tools with no intangibles. Reesing has all of the intangibles with no physical tools. When either of these guys are asked to win games on their own, they’ll lose more than they’ll win because neither of them were capable of putting a team on their shoulders and winning it on their own for different reasons.
Bring on the Cats
"Without getting into specifics, my exit involves a McFlurry machine and a video tape of risque commercials from overseas." -- Jack Donaghy
I'd put a lot of this on Warriners shoulders....a lot
Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.
It's as simple as the fumbles
take everything else away, the short-armed passes and the interception, and those two fumbles cost us the game. Just like the fumble against TT, just like the two fumbles against CU.
"He once had an awkward moment, just to see how it felt...he lives vicariously...through himself- He is the most interesting man in the world"
by Home Run Tony Cogan on Nov 7, 2009 11:03 PM CST reply actions
Another 3 turnovers from Todd
This team is imploding this season. Two years ago we saw them come together. Now it is just the opposite. We are not sawing wood each week. Nobody is bringing the lunch pail to the field. We have had winnable games each of the past 4 weeks and can’t get it done. And was it me or did our team play with a serious lack of heart today? Heros to zeros.
Did anyone on the KU sideline smile
At any point today? I miss football being fun. No Todd hip thrusts or fist pumps just bums me out.
This program (hopefully) has a bright future. I can live with losses. I can’t accept our boys looking like they don’t give a shit. Other than stuckey and maybe sharp (not his fault if 4 guys swarm him immediately upon receiving the handoff) did anyone look like they left it on the field today?
by Dots61 on Nov 8, 2009 5:05 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Can anybody who was at the game
tell me what the hell happened on their TD pass? How the hell did he get that wide open and we couldn’t get to a floated pass? I saw the ball go up and thought we could have an interception only to see no defender within 8 yards of the receiver.
Lubbock Smith
lost track of where he was on the field and drifted into the back of the endzone.
It made no sense when I saw him do it and once the ball was in the air, I didn’t even need to watch to see what was going to happen.
by hiphopopotamus on Nov 8, 2009 9:42 AM CST up reply actions
In hindsight
Todd slides two more times (than he did) and we get one more first down and maintain possession. He gets over 100 yards rushing and we win the game. The story of the past 4 games. Woulda, coulda, shoulda and that goes for our coaching staff too.
said some of this on OGT...
But I think a lot of this rests on the play calling. If the little things are working, Todd and company don’t have to work as hard.
1) Without the threat of a consistent running game, defenses sit in coverage. Play action to a long pass doesn’t work when nobody believes we’re going to hand it off or that they can stop the RB after a yard or two.
2) The delay running plays do not work without a fast RB and a dominating line. When the pass coverage sees that our lineman are heading down field, they crash toward the line and the run gets snuffed out. Once again, these don’t work as well when our longer passing plays aren’t working.
3) The option plays have been abysmal failures with Reesing. Every single play, he takes three steps and pitches, normally to the narrow side of the field. He has to get outside of the box for the option to work. That way, you get a defender in space who has to choose between taking the QB or the pitch. Pick, in his earlier appearances, nailed the option plays. Next season, the triple threat option should be in the game plan. Get Pick into space, and then he can keep it if the defender takes the pitch man or freezes, pitch it if the defender goes for the ball, or throw it if a receiver comes open deep.
So, to echo some of what has been said, the short, quick out patterns and play actions for short passes worked well when we were using them. If the offenses focuses on those plays until the defense starts creeping up, the longer passes will come open. And once we hit a longer pass or two, we can head into the running game, keeping the defense on their heels.
Right now, I’m really worried about Suh and the Nebraska d-line. Reesing is not going to have the time to wander around in the pocket, waiting for someone to come open deep. And they’ll eat the delays and play action bombs for lunch.
Exactly what I've been saying
about the option plays, and lack of run game in general. Someone on here tried convincing me we are a better run team this year than last year which now is obviously not true.
The frustrating thing is at some points yesterday we had successful runs, we just couldn’t sustain anything. Which sucks because last year Sharp ran for almost 200 yards on the cats.
inflexibility
I always used to trust Mangino to make in-game corrections to take advantage of what the defense gives us. It doesn’t seem like they’re doing that at all this season. What’s the definition of insanity? Doing something over and over, expecting a different result? How many shovel passes, delays, “options” and play action long bombs are we going to run, expecting defenses NOT to remember that it’s all we ever run?
by DCJayhawk0208 on Nov 8, 2009 11:05 AM CST up reply actions
Exactly.
We honestly run the same plays over and over again. Option run, occasional shovel pass, quick throw to WR, or a WR running a 5-8 yard out/in/slant (which Todd now throws into the ground). Those 4 play options constitute 80% of our offense, four plays! There is nothing downfield, nothing creative.\
It was frustrating yesterday to watch KSU real off big runs out of reverses, the wildcat, effectively run options, etc. Our offense has no creativity any more, and we used to do a lot of stuff (reverses to Briscoe, passes with Meier, hell back in the day we’d do a few hook and ladders, etc). With the playmakers on offense there has got to be better way to get them the ball and use our talent, there just has to be.
I feel like its 2006 again in which we have a decent offense and play-calls plus turnovers at qb are killing us.
Don't know if we have to be crazy
But there are definitely some options. But first, the basics have to work. The quick outs are key to our offense. It spreads the corners, forcing them to cover wide. It also brings the safety/ies in closer to the line. That opens up both the long game and the running game. Once we have established any bit of a run game, we need to make more use of Pick and Reesing in the backfield together. Heck, put Steward in at tight end, as well. We then theoretically have three quarterbacks in the game at one time, two of whom are a threat to run the ball. There’s a lot that can be done if we just establish the short passing game first.
And the option should be banned from the playbook until we learn how to properly run it.
by DCJayhawk0208 on Nov 8, 2009 6:01 PM CST up reply actions
Absolutely
We also need to hit a few downfield throws to back off the safeties. Right now other teams are sitting 10 yards off the line and while the dink and dunk works well to matriculate the ball down the field (and we had success with that last week) our short routes are becoming less successful due to a lack of a vertical passing game.
Our option runs fail because in order for it to work you need two running threats. KSU used it effectively because often the one or two players we got to the point of attack would take away the pitch, and Gregory would turn the corner and get yards. Todd isn’t turning the corner he is going to pitch it, so thus teams spread wide and watch sharp or toben. I don’t get why our staff doesn’t get this and keeps running it.
I also don’t understand why we don’t use more screens for our RBs, a traditional RB screen. If we want to get a RB in space try that and let our O-line get downfield and throw some blocks lets try that, its gotta work better than the pitches and shovel passes we’ve used lately.
As much as it hurt, I loved the first play against OU’s play call – fake screen with a deep shot. We need to try and open things up, to benefit both the short passes as well as the run game.
I really hope we don't try...
a shovel pass to Sharp against Suh…he might pick the damn thing off and return it for 6
Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.
I'm terrified
thinking of Suh causing havoc with our line the way the line has played at times lately…
or
He could pick up SHARP and run HIM back for six. Suh is scary.
by DCJayhawk0208 on Nov 8, 2009 11:01 AM CST up reply actions
Todd Reesing
is an alcoholic. That is our problem.
You guys could've lost to baylor.
F***!!!
"The field mouse is fast but the owl sees at night"- Ricky Bobby's belligerent Granddaddy
we sort of did...
we lost to Colorado remember
Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.
Time to move on from here and hope this season isn't a sign of the future.
Not sure I can take more stuff like this from a different blog:
Thanks for being a good sport. I can’t say that about some of your compatriots at RCT, unfortunately
to Denver at BOTC.
As BOTC has TWO different posts where they tell us either a) Fuck You or b) Go fuck yourselves.
Stay classy K-State
I used to work with an old man that told me. Son, every workplace has a dumbass, if you don't have one where you work, then I'm afraid you're it.
by Warden11 on Nov 8, 2009 5:44 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
In all fairness...
it’s kind of a righteous release from the crap we’ve been taking for the last twelve months from a select few fan bases and the local media here in Kansas City.
It’s all fun and good. The sun rose today, and tomorrow, it will rise again.
Don’t take it too seriously.
Bring on the Cats
"Without getting into specifics, my exit involves a McFlurry machine and a video tape of risque commercials from overseas." -- Jack Donaghy
I have no doubt that it feels good to have a season like this.
However, to have one of your writers call out some of the commenters here and then post that twice is somewhat ironic. No?
I used to work with an old man that told me. Son, every workplace has a dumbass, if you don't have one where you work, then I'm afraid you're it.
Remember Warden,
when one of your students tells you to f**k off, don’t take it personally, it’s all in good fun. You know which university to point them towards.
by hunter s. royal on Nov 8, 2009 6:24 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't deny the irony, nor do I necessarily condone it...
However, I speak for myself.
It’s a rivalry. I’ve tried to be as civil as I can be, and when it comes to dealing with folks like yourself and Denver, I usually don’t have a problem.
I’m not going to get into an argument on RCT because I respect the writers here and our network. I believe a decent amount of good-natured animosity is fun for the rivalry, and it makes things interesting. However, I certainly don’t want to get into any sort of tiff with the staff here because both TB and myself are admirers of their work and civility.
There is a fine line between good-natured ribbing and actually conversing about things in a mature manner. I believe there is room for both on every site. If you believe a particular writer has crossed the line, feel free to contact him. His address is on the site.
Bring on the Cats
"Without getting into specifics, my exit involves a McFlurry machine and a video tape of risque commercials from overseas." -- Jack Donaghy
Telling KU fans to fuck themselves isn't good natured ribbing
Its immature and petty, and asserts that KSU fans continue to hold on to their weird hatred obsession with KU and can’t celebrate a win without having to pull out the “der I HATE KU I HAAAAAAAAAAATE THEM” aspect of it. More importantly, it poorly reflects on KSU fans being the lead post on your site.
I can see why you respect the writers here when your own act like a 12 year old who won their little league game and throw out expletives rather than a good game.
by KU Grad 08 on Nov 8, 2009 8:32 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
eh....let's let it die...
I’m not too interested in getting involved in tossing expletives at entire fanbases or judging what was meant by it and who’s classier.
I’d say just remember it and avoid doing the same when Kansas comes out on the winning end down the line. If there’s one thing about sports it’s that you win some and you lose some. It’s best not to let your emotions get the best of you in either case.
Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.
by Owen Kemp on Nov 8, 2009 9:17 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Weirdest fact of the season?
Our best win all year: Duke.
by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Nov 8, 2009 11:47 PM CST reply actions
way to make me feel even worse...
not even Iowa State?
Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.
Duke is rolling in the ACC man
They have a better overall record than ISU and a better conference record than ISU.
by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Nov 9, 2009 6:32 PM CST up reply actions
It's Ova!!!!
I’m a long time lurker, and 1st time poster. I felt the need to comment on this subject. I’ve watched a lot of KU football over the years and seen a lot of horrible football. In the past when KU has played bad, it was because of lack of talent and bad coaching. It’s a lot more frustrating to watch KU play so badly this year because the talent level is a lot higher and we’ve have more than enough talent to be winning these games. A couple of key injuries certainly hurt us, but it’s not what is really wrong with this team. To answer the question posed,
Is it coaching? Is it the players?, it’s quite obviously the coaching. The moral of the players, the poor fundamentals, the lack of effort, the poor game plans, the poor execution, the complete lack of effective in game adjustments are all coaching failures. I hate to say it, but the buck stops with the big guy and he’s failing right now. Either Mangino is flat out failing as a coach himself or he’s hired other coaches who are flat out failing and he’s not fixing the situation or possibly a combination of both. If it’s other coaches then Mangino needs to take control of the situation and the team. This ship isn’t sinking and we’re trying to right it. It’s sunk already. We’re now in recovery mode.
WildHawk...
glad to have ya. I would tend to agree with you on the talent aspect. There wasn’t a game this year where I felt like we were just flat outmatched physically or from a talent standpoint. Any ass kickings we took looked to have more to do with poor morale than anything. Let’s hope recovery mode is swift and we can salvage a bowl, move on to next year and continue moving in the right direction.
On a positive note in that regard 4* Defensive End Geneo Grissom did an interview with the Slant yesterday and said he’s solid unless something drastically changes. Basically it sounds like as long as Bill Miller is around he’ll be around.
Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.
Good I was just trying to check out the
Geneo situtation yesterday but had trouble finding any up to date info.
Me no likey Clint Bowen.
not saying it's a done deal...
but as of now it seems like the LSU Rivals guy might be fishing for a story that isn’t there. LSU did offer him but several of his quotes would lead you to believe he’s pretty solid to KU unless something big changes.
Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.
One bad losing streak
And you say the ship is already sunk?
I think you need to step back and view the bigger picture.
And last time I checked, KU still leads the North in 2010 recruiting rankings………..
Sawin' wood
I took it as...
him meaning this season the ship had sunk…I could be wrong but I think it’s fair to say in terms of this season we are in recovery mode…recover and get to a bowl, extra practices, lock up the recruits we currently have on board and set sail in 2010 with a new outlook.
Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.
Denverjhawk, you are correct...
that’s what I meant. I really hope this whole debacle isn’t Mangino’s fault and we’ll be looking for a new coach in the next couple of years, and he finally puts his loyalties aside and gets rid of the coaches who aren’t getting it done and replaces them with coaches who will. In terms of talent, KU has been on a big upswing over the past 4 years including this year. The University is still planning on building that luxury box on the East side in the off season and a new HD scoreboard to boot, so it seems the administration is still putting the resources into the program to continue building, so I’m hopeful for the future. But this season is done. If we eek out 1 more win somehow and get to a bowl game the last 3 games will be a success in terms of momentum for the future and in relation to the past 4 games for sure. Here’s hoping for a miraculous awakening by this team and a finish of 3-0!
Thanks for the warm welcome guys!
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