Anybody know what this is about?
This sounds serious. Denver? Rivet? Labba? Anybody have any idea what's going on with this?
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I thought this post could use a little more explanation to get discussion going
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KU AD Perkins meets with football players over concerns about coach Mark Mangino
Monday night with the school’s football players to discuss concerns about football coach Mark Mangino brought to his attention by one of the current players and others with ties to the football program, the Journal-World has learned.
“I can confirm an internal review is under way,” Perkins said in a quote released by the school. “It involves a personnel matter, and as a result, is confidential. It would be inappropriate for me to provide further information right now.”
This is crazy and will be very interesting to follow. I can’t really imagine what it would be but maybe it can explain the utter collapse the team has had. Should be one to follow pretty closely.
by I need more Esteban on Nov 17, 2009 11:33 AM CST reply actions
Definitely should have
given the post a more specific title to get more traffic. Hopefully that won’t hinder the discussion too much.
Operation 40-0 is a go. Proceed to target.
I think it was perfect...
it was an intriguing headline to suck you in, then Esty gave it some meat….
Me no likey Clint Bowen.
This rumor has been going around...
not sure I like the sound of it to be honest…As I said in our fire Mangino fanpost discussion this would be the only reason Mangino’s job should be looked at.
Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.
Any specifics on the "rumor" that's going around?
Is it a player issue? Just overall frustration in the ranks?
Operation 40-0 is a go. Proceed to target.
workin on it...
Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.
KC Star reporting this
Current Kansas football players met with KU athletic director Lew Perkins on Monday night to discuss concerns about KU coach Mark Mangino stemming from a recent incident involving Mangino and a player, a source told The Star
That doesn’t sound too good, this is also kind of weird to me:
The source said players at the meeting, at which Mangino was not present, were invited to bring forward information in front of a formal panel. The source said there is an organized group of former players’ parents ready to air their concerns about Mangino as well.
What in the hell could be going on?
by I need more Esteban on Nov 17, 2009 11:49 AM CST reply actions
It almost sounds like
it could be a player abuse issue. I know that sounds harsh, and it may be something rather innocuous, but it could be quite serious, as well.
Operation 40-0 is a go. Proceed to target.
stay tuned
Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.
Denver- are you hearing more than the KCStar is reporting? A simple yes or no is fine- you don’t have to reveal anything if you’re not ready to do so.
RODD TEESING, my arch-nemesis! Give us back our TODD, you rapscallion!
by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Nov 17, 2009 12:51 PM CST up reply actions
hopefully
It’s just players frustrated with the losses. But this sounds ominous.
http://twinkietalk.com
http://thecollegehockeyblog.com
it seems more serious
because Lew confirmed it. It’s not like him to do that, he’s usually pretty hush hush on stuff like this but he admitted it outright that there was something going on.
What’s with all the drama?
by I need more Esteban on Nov 17, 2009 12:07 PM CST up reply actions
Cue the ominous music!
I wonder if Lew is going to use dissatisfaction by the players as a way to more easily cut ties with Mangino.
I don’t think there’s any rational way to dump Mangino because of one bad year, but if Lew’s convinced they need to make a change he may trump up friction between Mangino & the players to more easily move the phat man out.
Pure speculation of course.
by hunter s. royal on Nov 17, 2009 12:18 PM CST up reply actions
I would also assume...
that some sort of internal investigation related to conduct would take care of any buyout issues.
Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.
I've always heard
that while Mangino has a high annual salary(2.5-3 million) on a revolving 5 year deal, the buyout clause is only one year of salary.
by hunter s. royal on Nov 17, 2009 12:51 PM CST up reply actions
I be wrong.
See KGRTC’s comment below for the correct buyout info.
by hunter s. royal on Nov 17, 2009 1:55 PM CST up reply actions
From today's press conference (via KUSports.com)
Mangino confirmed he had a 10-15 minute meeting with Perkins after the athletic director met with players.
“If you want to know what was said, I’m not disclosing it. He’s the one who’s disclosing information about it, I’m not,” Mangino said.
Sounds like a significant rift between MM and LP to me.
Operation 40-0 is a go. Proceed to target.
Jesus.
That second quote is a killer. How does MM repair their relationship now? If this does turn out bad for him, why the hell would he start burning bridges? Who is going to give him a second chance after this?
RODD TEESING, my arch-nemesis! Give us back our TODD, you rapscallion!
by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Nov 17, 2009 12:39 PM CST up reply actions
I read it a second time
and it didn’t sound as stinging the second time. Sort of sounds like he’s just telling the reporter that if he wants to know what Lew had to say, then the report should ask Lew.
I threw up an audio link for the presser today on the front page
Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.
This may sound terrible, but...
How could Mangino physically hurt an athlete in top physical condition? Couldn’t they just out-jog him?
If they are talking to parents of former players, this clearly means that Lew is looking into the possibility that there’s some kind of pattern going on here.
Could be verbal abuse, could be forcing them to practice too much, could be forcing guys to do drills without pads against guys in pads (see Eric Mangini)… could be anything.
Still think this has something to do with a double standard for TODD/RODD than everybody else, personally.
RODD TEESING, my arch-nemesis! Give us back our TODD, you rapscallion!
by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Nov 17, 2009 12:37 PM CST reply actions
Breaking down MM's
recent contract extension. Interesting only in the fact that there is no buyout should MM walk from this job, but no specifics around an early termination buyout. I would speculate that if that came to pass, there would simply be a settlement.
Make sure Bob Krause isn’t anywhere near this situation.
Warning: Lawya Talk!
The interesting thing to me about the structure of that deal is that the money is all coming from KUAD, not the state of Kansas itself. This means that contract is private, and no one else can look at it. If it was a contract with the state, anyone could look at it through a Freedom Of Information Act (FOIA) request.
Theoretically, the only two people that know exactly what’s in that contract are Lew and Mark themselves (and their lawyers, but they’re sworn to secrecy or could lose their law licenses). It’s interesting how innocuous that seemed at the time- “oh good! No more money coming out of state coffers!” Now it suddenly has a different twist…
RODD TEESING, my arch-nemesis! Give us back our TODD, you rapscallion!
by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Nov 17, 2009 12:56 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm going to continue to rec all your posts just
because I like your SIG so much…
Me no likey Clint Bowen.
Yes, KUAC covers the cash instead of state funds
but the details of the contract are public.
Here’s the extension which holds the specific termination clauses, for cause and without cause.
Oh Crap, Oh Crap, Oh Crap, Oh Crap, Oh Crap, Oh Crap, Oh Crap, Oh Crap, Oh Crap, Oh Crap
Me no likey Clint Bowen.
what
something new? What the hell is that picture, you’re freaking me out!!!
by I need more Esteban on Nov 17, 2009 1:16 PM CST up reply actions
New update from KUsports.com after the presser.
Mangino: I may have lost some people around here, but it’s not players.
I need some real information and soon
by I need more Esteban on Nov 17, 2009 1:17 PM CST reply actions
*RUMOR*
I want to EMPHASIZE that the following is just a RUMOR. I have NO IDEA if it is true or not- I’m simply repeating what I heard.
That being said, the RUMOR is that Mangino did “attack” a player, and may be gone by the end of this week.
The following is NOT a rumor:
Mangino’s buyout close is as follows: $300,000 for every year he coaches the Jayhawks after the 2008 season. So, pretty darn cheap at this point. And that’s only if he is fired without cause. If something serious did happen, they would be firing him WITH cause, and could theoretically owe him nothing (although they’d probably give him something just to go away quietly).
RODD TEESING, my arch-nemesis! Give us back our TODD, you rapscallion!
by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Nov 17, 2009 1:34 PM CST reply actions
wtf seriously?
Petro on 810 just mentioned something about getting pulled by the shoulder pads or something, wonder if that is something he is hearing. This doesn’t seem like it’s going to have a good ending no matter what.
by I need more Esteban on Nov 17, 2009 1:54 PM CST up reply actions
Just about time for rumor whore Kietzman to hit the airwaves, too
I have no doubt that that douchebag will likely peer over the blurry lines of libel this afternoon.
by JayhawkTom on Nov 17, 2009 1:59 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Kietzman should provide a huge kick start to an already wild rumor mill.
Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.
or even D Bowe suspension
invisble airwaves crackle with life/bright antennae bristle with the energy
Kietzman is already whining
about how mean old Mangino wronged poor little Billy Snyder 11 years ago. For Kietzman, it’s always about slagging KU & MU, hoping to destroy their programs so K-State can benefit. Such a tool.
by hunter s. royal on Nov 17, 2009 2:14 PM CST up reply actions
JayhawkTom's post
“invisible airwaves…..”
It’s a line from the song “Spirit of Radio” by the Canadian rock band Rush.
Sawin' wood
Kietzman anti-KU?
I'm shocked you question his journalistic credibility.
by hunter s. royal on Nov 17, 2009 2:11 PM CST up reply actions
Knowing him, I question a lot - a deceptive dude
“journalist” isn’t something I would attribute to KK
I agree, I was using the sarcasm font.
His hatred for KU is only surpassed by his lack of personal ethics.
Soren Petro’s show tomorrow at 10:00 will give a more balanced assessment of the situation.
by hunter s. royal on Nov 17, 2009 2:17 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think Kietzman
will have a shortage of topics today
probably not, but he's still
going to have plenty of douche.
I used to work with an old man that told me. Son, every workplace has a dumbass, if you don't have one where you work, then I'm afraid you're it.
meanwhile, jayhawk "fan" clinkscale
will be rusty tromboning him the entire show
"He once had an awkward moment, just to see how it felt...he lives vicariously...through himself- He is the most interesting man in the world"
by Home Run Tony Cogan on Nov 17, 2009 3:07 PM CST up reply actions
I don't know what "rusty tromboning" is
but it sounds kinda kinky.
Operation 40-0 is a go. Proceed to target.
ask and ye shall receive...
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=rusty+trombone
"He once had an awkward moment, just to see how it felt...he lives vicariously...through himself- He is the most interesting man in the world"
by Home Run Tony Cogan on Nov 17, 2009 3:15 PM CST up reply actions
that was truly educational, in a non-Kansas kind of way
helped fill in a Family Guy reference as well.
sounds good
but I know a lot of nice people who have absolute shitstains for spouses, so that doesn’t really do anything for me.
I’m sure Jane is very nice and all, and she’s got to be a saint for putting up with such a tool.
"He once had an awkward moment, just to see how it felt...he lives vicariously...through himself- He is the most interesting man in the world"
by Home Run Tony Cogan on Nov 17, 2009 5:00 PM CST up reply actions
Don't have an opinion one way or the other on any of the guys on KK's show
other than Kietzman himself.
I used to work with an old man that told me. Son, every workplace has a dumbass, if you don't have one where you work, then I'm afraid you're it.
The show's pretty decent
when Kietzman’s gone on vacation & Todd Leabo & Clinkscale run it. It becomes a low key, rational discussion of sport without Jack Harry jr. spewing his venom.
Clinkscale does not like Mangino, but he can give fairly rational reasons for it. However, while he will disagree with Kietzman on the air, there’s no question if he goes too far he will lose his job, so he’s considerably handicapped in making his points.
by hunter s. royal on Nov 17, 2009 5:56 PM CST up reply actions
I rarely hear him disagree with Keitzman
Agreed on everything else. I can live with him not liking Mangino, and I agree that his reasons may be valid, but if all he’s going to do is be Keitzman’s Ed McMahon, then what is his purpose?
To me, it’s a trust issue. I don’t trust what KK is telling me, and I don’t trust what Clinkscale says either. I trust Petro, and I trust the Border Patrol guys. KK has no credibility to me, and I don’t understand why people don’t see him for what he is.
"He once had an awkward moment, just to see how it felt...he lives vicariously...through himself- He is the most interesting man in the world"
by Home Run Tony Cogan on Nov 17, 2009 6:07 PM CST up reply actions
Most rational sports fans in town
are openly contemptuous towards Kietzman and share your feelings.
But, Jack Harry, who hasn’t had an original thought in 40 years, is still drawing paychecks, so someone like KK who has de-evolved into a dishonest hack can still get a large audience.(Though his numbers have been shrinking)
We’ll get a more reasonable assessment of the situation tomorrow during Petro’s show thankfully.
by hunter s. royal on Nov 17, 2009 6:21 PM CST up reply actions
amen, brotha
it’s only b/c 610 is so awfully bad that so many people listen to him.
"He once had an awkward moment, just to see how it felt...he lives vicariously...through himself- He is the most interesting man in the world"
by Home Run Tony Cogan on Nov 17, 2009 6:39 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed about 610.
How can they not find some decent afternoon talent?
I used to work with an old man that told me. Son, every workplace has a dumbass, if you don't have one where you work, then I'm afraid you're it.
mizzou fan here. also can't stand jack harry.
yaaaaay we have common ground!!!
"The field mouse is fast but the owl sees at night"- Ricky Bobby's belligerent Granddaddy
But he loves you guys!
Sorry for that. It’s not your fault if blusterman attaches himself to your school.
by hunter s. royal on Nov 17, 2009 11:45 PM CST up reply actions
at least...
He’ll have a very, very clean genital area at the end of today’s show.
…there’s me finding a silver lining!
by DCJayhawk0208 on Nov 17, 2009 4:01 PM CST up reply actions
Holy shit
This cannot be good…..guys on Slant were right….I just thought they were going crazy after the K-State game and making up rumors….wow….
he's just talking about the Lew meeting with players rumor...
it’s been floating around since the K-State game.
Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.
what a day
I used to work with an old man that told me. Son, every workplace has a dumbass, if you don't have one where you work, then I'm afraid you're it.
Of all my teams breaking stories today
the only good one is abou the Royals, wow
by I need more Esteban on Nov 17, 2009 2:52 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Mangino should only be terminated
If he did attack a player(s). Otherwise the man has earned at least next season. I NEED TO KNOW WHAT THE EF IS GOING ON.
Why is everyone saying he gets the axe on Thursday?
Why not tomorrow? Why not several hours ago? And when does Lew head to Gainesville?
RODD TEESING, my arch-nemesis! Give us back our TODD, you rapscallion!
by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Nov 17, 2009 6:54 PM CST reply actions
Ok, spell this out for someone who is obviously not in on the loop.
Who says he gets the axe Thursday? What did he do? And why Gainesville?
Tim Grunhard, former KC Chief
and frequent guest on the local sports talk shows, tweeted this afternoon that Mangino would be fired Thursday. Apparently all the other lemmings in the local sports media have accepted this as fact and are furiously replicating this rumour.
by hunter s. royal on Nov 17, 2009 7:24 PM CST up reply actions
Lew needs to come out and clear things up, and soon.
One way or another, something needs to be done. Thanks for the update.
just an FYI...
now Grunhard is saying he’ll be staying
Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.
As a guy who's listened to him for a long time
he’s not much of a source. Typical blustering ex-jock.
by hunter s. royal on Nov 17, 2009 8:12 PM CST up reply actions
Trying...
To piece together a scenario where this can be fixed and everyone stays in place, but I just don’t see it.
We know Mangino is pissed at Perkins from his presser remarks.
We assume that Perkins, as a savvy business man, would have realized what he was doing this morning by confirming the story about the players’ meeting to Keegan- especially only a couple hours or so before Mangino’s weekly press conference.
Maybe if the “independent investigator” finds nothing bad has occurred (and let’s be honest, that will be completely he said/ she said), Perkins could give Mangino a very public “vote of confidence,” basically tell the players to STFU, and Mangino and Perkins make an agreement never to speak about this again…?
RODD TEESING, my arch-nemesis! Give us back our TODD, you rapscallion!
by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Nov 17, 2009 8:13 PM CST up reply actions
if perkins isn't sure he's firing Mangino,
the STFU to the players and public vote of confidence should have happened 2 days ago. I think Lew has made his decision. I don’t like it, but thats what I see happening.
Me too.
Perkins has already played his hand……look at the timing of his public comments in relation to the timing of Coach Mangino’s weekly presser (as stated by KGRTC).
That’s f*cking dirty pool right there, IMHO. And it makes me think: what reasonable coach in their right mind would want to work for an azzhole AD like that?
Then again, what reasonable coach will want to work at a school where if a player gets pissed off for any reason, they can go crying to Mommy and Daddy and the AD will launch and internal investigation?
Sawin' wood
Gainesville...
Is where Charlie Strong is located. He’s my personal preference for a replacement coach if Mangino does get fired.
RODD TEESING, my arch-nemesis! Give us back our TODD, you rapscallion!
by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Nov 17, 2009 8:02 PM CST up reply actions
What ties to Kansas does Charlie Strong have?
If we hire a coach with no Kansas ties, we’re simply going to be a stepping stone. That’s not how you build a program.
Sawin' wood
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