Hawk Talk: Kansas vs Texas Tech the Morning After
by Denverjhawk on Nov 1, 2009 7:43 AM CST
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- Offensive line no longer looking like a positive.
- Reesing confirms the groin injury.
- Red Raiders looked to confuse the Jayhawks.
- Reesing sits the final 8 minutes as the Red Raiders pile it on.
- Mangino Postgame Audio.
Something's not right. That's become pretty obvious. In a season where we were led to believe that "history" was in the making the Jayhawks look on the verge of a complete meltdown at times. To be clear I was never very excited with the "History Awaits" marketing campaign anyway because in the preseason I think most saw Kansas coming out with at least three losses in the regular season which in no way assured a North title.
Well here we are, 3 losses. It's not the losses that are so frustrating though, it's the why's, what if's and how's. Colorado has proved to be just as bad as they always were, but two gift wrapped touchdowns from our offense led to a loss. Oklahoma was primed for an upset in Lawrence but once again poor offensive execution left an improved defense out to dry. Lastly Tech was clearly not the same team that hung 63 on Kansas last year, their offense sputtered behind an excellent Kansas defensive effort for 3 quarters and still the offense becomes even worse to the point of benching Todd Reesing.
So what happened? Home Run Tony has a good fanpost up to do a little sounding off and feel free to use this to discuss the same. If you didn't get a chance to watch Kansas State went down 28-6 against an OU team to start the game in Norman. From there the team battled back, the coaches called a solid game and at one point Kansas State looked to be within striking distance at 23-28 in Norman. There was no give from the team wearing purple, the team we'll be playing next week with serious implications as to how this season wraps up. If our offense doesn't execute, our coaches don't come up with a better gameplan offensively and we don't stand up and fight when we get kicked to the ground we may be ushering in the 2nd Bill Snyder era in with a bang.
There are plenty of breaches in the levee for Kansas football right now. It's time for this team to regain some sort of edge, get a chip on their collective shoulder and find a way to fight through the rest of this schedule. Show some "want to" when things aren't looking good and find a few leaders on a team that doesn't appear to have any.
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Right now, I don't feel great about heading to Manhattan.
Who would have thought that 6 weeks ago?
I used to work with an old man that told me. Son, every workplace has a dumbass, if you don't have one where you work, then I'm afraid you're it.
by Warden11 on Nov 1, 2009 10:01 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Mangino is responsible for what has been a mess of a football season.
And he is the one that needs to work harder to get this season back on track or else his job should be re-evaluated during the offseason.
Has Reesing made mistakes? Yes, plenty of them. Enough to be benched? Under different circumstances, yes. At that point Mangino basically told the team that he was throwing in the towel for that game. And then he didn’t even give Pick a chance to try and win the game. The players are just college kids that make mistakes, Mangino gets paid big money to do his job, I feel like he only retained about half of what Schneider taught him, cause k-state seems to be well coached.
All season we have seen an uninspired team, led by predictable playcalling. What are we doing on offense? T. tech demonstrated the correct playcalling for a potent offense. If Sharp’s hurt, limit his play, or else use him for what he is good at running in the flats. Pound Operum up the middle. Do some quick slants to Meier and then stretch the field with Briscoe. The shuttle pass to Sharp has become too obvious to use that often. I don’t know much about football, but I feel like I could do a better job coaching this team.
Oh, well. It’s time to get back to what we are good at. Tip off tues. against Ft. Hays State. The X-Man cometh!
by Hubin311 on Nov 1, 2009 1:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Not even close to this point.
And he is the one that needs to work harder to get this season back on track or else his job should be re-evaluated during the offseason.
Maybe take a long hard look at the season, but no way should his job be re-evaluated.
I used to work with an old man that told me. Son, every workplace has a dumbass, if you don't have one where you work, then I'm afraid you're it.
by Warden11 on Nov 1, 2009 2:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Mangino is a good coach
but not a great coach, if we truly want to be a two sport school, our football coach needs to coach and recruit within the ballpark of what HCBS does. From what I have seen thus far in both coaching and recruiting Mangino has a long way to go. Certainly, if Mangino were to lose out the rest of season his job should be re-evaluated and I’m not saying he should be fired, just not allowed to get too comfortable without production. Winning the Orange Bowl can only go so far, better coaches than Mangino get pushed out or leave when they no longer succeed (e.g. Bowden, Snyder). If this is the peak of Mangino’s coaching career, history might be waiting a long time.
by Hubin311 on Nov 1, 2009 6:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with some of that
But lets keep things in perspective. No one in the country recruits as well as Bill Self so that comparison is a bit lacking. Also, we are at Kansas. We aren’t ever going to compete for titles every year like a Texas or OU. Our best case scenario is to do what KState achieved in the 90s. Field good teams every year that consistantly win 8 games a season and hope every few years you pull an upset or two or have stock piled enough talent to make a push at a division crown. Expecting anything past that is not realistic.
Before 2007 I argued that Mangino was a good enough coach to get us out of the cellar and make us respectable but not good enough to get us into the next tier of teams. Obviously I changed my stance 2007, however it is starting to seem more and more that was a bit of a fluke (big12 north was all down save KU and MU, we hit Baylor, an AandM team about to completely self destruct, and OSU who had not quite reached their current talent level). We were still a damn good team that year, no doubt about it. But it inflated everyone’s expectations a little too high.
The next two years will tell a lot. We have the three weaker Big12 schools and our young players from strong recruiting players will all be sophomores and juniors. So lets see in those years if we can start to get adjusted to that plateau minimum I mentioned in the earlier paragraph. If we continue to stumble, then Mangino will likely end up falling victim to the standards he helped create at KU. However, its way too early to panic yet.
One thing about expectations is sometimes you don’t live up to them. After years of overachieving/having no expectations we need to learn that yes, sometimes your team doesn’t put it all together and has a down year.
by KU Grad 08 on Nov 1, 2009 7:15 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Ok Then...
Who do we hire? Who out there is better that would be willing to come to a basketball school with one of the least talented local high school bases in the country that somehow expects its football program to be in a BCS game at least every other year?
by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Nov 1, 2009 9:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Rubbish.
Any one that has been a Kansas football fan before 2007 would realize how ridiculous it is to even consider the possibility of removing Coach Mangino. What he has been able to do here wasn’t quite the miracle that Bill “Schneider” (really man? come on.) did at KState, but it is comparable.
No one outside the football program has any idea what kind of coaching job Mangino and his staff have done this year. We don’t know what they are dealing with in terms of injuries, talent deficiencies, off-field issues, etc. Hell, if nothing else, the program just got off NCAA probation a couple of months ago. Who knows what could have happened with those extra scholarships?
It’s amazing how spoiled we as sports fans can get sometimes. We still have only lost one game this year we weren’t “supposed” to. And yet people are calling for men with families to feed to be fired after one disappointing year.
by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Nov 1, 2009 9:35 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
I love how KGRtC
is always the driver of the “let’s find the positive” bandwagon. I’m all for it! It keeps me regular.
Me no likey Clint Bowen.
by labbadabba on Nov 2, 2009 8:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Was Todd benched
Or taken out because the injury was re-aggrivated? I know Mangino implied benched, but was a bit vague. Unfourtinately my guess is Todd is more injured than we know, and may have further tweaked it yesterday.
by Dots61 on Nov 1, 2009 1:57 PM CST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
In the postgame he said it was two things...
first he didn’t want Todd to take another big hit and second he felt like they need to do something to spark the offense. I don’t think it was injury related but I do believe the feeling on the team was that the fumble returned for a TD likely ended it.
Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.
by Denverjhawk on Nov 1, 2009 2:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Mangino would likely not indicate if his QB was hurt.
If Reesing is injured, then I hope Pick gets the start next week before we are down by two touchdowns.
by Hubin311 on Nov 1, 2009 2:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Todd did confirm the groin injury that occurred during the CU game though
Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.
by Denverjhawk on Nov 1, 2009 2:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Seems evident that this has not been the same Todd Reesing we have become used to seeing.
It is up to the staff to make the necessary changes that will keep this team competitive.
by Hubin311 on Nov 1, 2009 2:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
doesn't ku still have texas on the schedule?
good luck with that guys. You are at 3 losses now but after that texas game it’ll probaly be 4.
"The field mouse is fast but the owl sees at night"- Ricky Bobby's belligerent Granddaddy
by pinkelposse on Nov 2, 2009 6:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I didn’t see anyone count Texas as a win and if after Texas we’re at 4 losses guess what that means? We could win the North with a win at Arrowhead. You said it, not me : )
Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.
by Denverjhawk on Nov 2, 2009 7:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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