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An Outside Perspective: Michigan State

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Why an outsiders look? Well, two reasons…first off there is no Michigan State SB Nation blog, so for any MSU fans out there with some extra time, go for it.  Secondly, I won’t pretend to be or declare to be an expert on the college basketball landscape at this point as I have been pretty enamored with football season and at this point have only found time for the Jayhawks in basketball.  With those two disclaimers in mind here’s a run down of my thoughts on the Big 10 and 2008-2009 Michigan State basketball squad and season to date.

 

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First off, the Big 10 is widely believed to be a strong league this year with a significant amount of parity.  That said Michigan State appears to be on top.  ESPN’s Doug Gottlieb calls it a league full of star coaches that lacks flashy offenses.  Sound familiar, yes that’s right, the same could be said for their football teams as well.  The difference is the Big 10 in basketball this year shouldn’t be considered down.  Much like the Big East, the Big 10 has benefited from parity and a good number of teams could boast strong tourney resumes late in the year. With 9 of 11 teams out of the gates with 10 or more wins we might see a healthy dose of the Big 10/11 in March.  Currently ranking #2 in RPI is another thing in the conferences favor right now proving once again that perception is not always reality.

So what do we know about Michigan State other than the fact they are coached by tourney time motivator Tom Izzo.  Well, from the 10,000 foot view first and foremost they’re 12-2 with 8 straight wins to date.  Quality wins over a strong Big 12 opponent in Texas and conference contender #19 ranked Minnesota.  Their only losses to date came against ACC foes Maryland and everybody’s favorite around here the UNC crying Roy Williams’ (low blow; I still have a soft spot for the guy, if only a little).  Roy Williams bashing aside, MSU is a team that for the most part has won where they should and lost where acceptable.  They look to have a strong season in the works, have been anointed the Big 10 favorite and many expect a deep run in March by Coach Izzo and company.

As far as the players the Spartens are led by junior forward Raymar Morgan.  Morgan is averaging 15.2 points and 7 rebounds per game and will likely matchup against the youthful Morris twins against Kansas.  Kalin Lucas and Chris Allen are a pair of sophomore guards that average double figures for the Spartans.  Lucas has been on a bit of a hot streak of late scoring 24, 17 and 20 his last three games and will be an important defensive matchup for the Jayhawks.  Don’t sleep on Delvon Roe either.  MSU’s highest rated recruit was pursued by many big names and he’s big, talented and with the youth of Kansas this could be an opportunity for him to break out in a big game.

All in all I’m not anticipating great things out of this one.  MSU is a solid team, well coached and the x-factor of playing in East Lansing doesn’t spell success necessarily for KU.  I’m not saying it can’t happen, but after the Arizona road collapse I am simply hoping for a strong performance with a chance at the end.  Arizona was a tough road game but Michigan State will be tougher.  There are a lot of things to do in Arizona in the winter but in East Lansing the fans will be out in force, they will be loud and the students will be rowdy.  Look at it as another chance for Bill Self’s newest crop to grow up and mature.  A win would be HUGE, a loss, if respectable is not unexpected. 

I hope I’m not overly pessimistic and hopefully the early look at MSU isn’t totally off base.  More to come obviously as we get into the weekend, standard game preview, game thread and anything else that pops into my head over the next few days.  If any of you all out there have intimate knowledge of the inner workings of Spartan basketball, do share, make me feel better about our chances and most of all help me keep my eye on the prize.

 

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Roy

I don’t know – he won me over when he wore the Jayhawk to the National Championship game. That took some real guts and all my (well, most) of my warm fuzzy feelings for Roy came back. I still hate UNC tho.

by labbadabba on Jan 7, 2009 1:26 PM CST reply actions  

I definitely softened...

my stance on Roy after we destroyed them and he took all that heat for wearing the Jayhawk…I guess he’s allright

Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.

by Owen on Jan 7, 2009 1:28 PM CST up reply actions  

I Gave Him Heat

Personally, I felt like it was a sad gimmick by a man that desperately needs everyone to love him, but I’m a cynical bastard.

by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Jan 7, 2009 8:11 PM CST up reply actions  

I can understand the thought...

but he took a lot of heat from his fan base back home and stuck by his guns so I figured between that and allowing us to work his team over in the semis I lost a little bit of my ill feelings toward him.

Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.

by Owen on Jan 7, 2009 8:13 PM CST up reply actions  

As for the Big 10/11

They are up this year, especially in comparison to their football teams. However, Seth Davis in his Buy/Sell column basically sold the Big 10/11 across the board except for Michigan St.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/seth_davis/01/06/stock.report/index.html

by labbadabba on Jan 7, 2009 1:28 PM CST reply actions  

Like they're football teams...

the perception is they aren’t playing the same caliber basketball/football as the teams that are winning championships.

KU
Florida
Florida
UNC
Connecticut
Syracuse
Maryland
Duke

all these teams had the ability to play some brand of flashy offense and had guys that could score. Now don’t get me wrong defense as KU proved last year is critical and can go very far, but Big 10 basketball is typically lower scoring in comparison to ACC/Big12/SEC

Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.

by Owen on Jan 7, 2009 1:35 PM CST up reply actions  

To the credit of the Big 10 though...

it is a VERY, VERY difficult conference to win on the road…they have great fans

Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.

by Owen on Jan 7, 2009 1:38 PM CST up reply actions  

It will be a rough game, but I think we have a good shot.

The last two wins have taken a lot of pressure off. The freshman are still spotty but they have stepped up lately. The Morris twins seem to be getting it a little more each game, and Releford has finally been contributing. If Tyshaun can get back to his early season form, we can keep it close til late and then let Cole and Sherron loose. Michigan State is really a tough, physical team, but they don’t score a ton of points. If Brady and Tyrel can knock down some threes it will be huge and we could steal this one.

by hunter s. royal on Jan 7, 2009 10:56 PM CST reply actions  

+1

Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.

by Owen on Jan 7, 2009 11:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Great game ahead

Spartan fan here… I think this game is going be a back-and-forth battle. MSU is playing great on both sides of the ball lately (as is Kansas) and Self has always done better than most coaches at the Breslin.

hunter s. royal… MSU is a tough, physical team… but we do score a decent amount of points and like to run. Practically every other Big Ten team slows it down, but we average 77.8 points per game compared to Kansas’ 80.6… Not too much of a difference. The Big Ten is definitely better this year, but I agree that 6 of the potential tourney teams look like getting past the Sweet 16 would be an achievement.

Denverjhawk… Great preview. As you are aware of the “friendly” confines of a home game at the Phog (Kansas’ 33 consecutive home wins.. 2nd best in the nation), the Spartans also try to take care of business at home (tied for 3rd best in the nation with 26 consecutive home wins). Very excited for this matchup.

by TMadison25 on Jan 8, 2009 11:20 AM CST reply actions  

Glad you could join us...

it’s always good to get a little perspective from the other side.

Hopefully we make it a good one Saturday. Our youngsters are fairly untested on the road, especially in an environment like Breslin so we’ll see how they respond.

Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.

by Owen on Jan 8, 2009 11:38 AM CST up reply actions  

Also...

if your around w/nothing to do saturday, stop by for the open thread…

Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.

by Owen on Jan 8, 2009 11:52 AM CST up reply actions  

Will do

I know that there aren’t any Michigan State SB Nation blogs out there, but www.spartansweblog.com is a solid, comprehensive Spartan basketball blog. KJ will provide some good pregame info there.

by TMadison25 on Jan 8, 2009 12:09 PM CST reply actions  

fantastic...thanks a ton

Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.

by Owen on Jan 8, 2009 12:11 PM CST up reply actions  

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