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Get to Know Your Rival; Kansas State

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Well last year for the first time in a long time Kansas State had some serious name recognition associated with their team.  Sure there were the days of Pervis Pasco, Larry Reid or even Manny Dies, but not since Mitch Richmond have Kansas fans had as much reason to know much about our rivals to the west as we did last year.  Michael Beasley and Bill Walker are now gone, so what remains, and what can we look for going into the matcup Tuesday with the Wildcats?

Kansas State breakdown after the jump...

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It's well documented that the Jayhawks are young and new.  A near 80% turnover in every statistical category has led to the current rebuilding project we're all a witness to night in and night out.  The state of Kansas produced 7 NBA draft picks last year.  5 out of the University of Kansas, 2 out of Kansas State.  What remains is either the continuation of a rivalry resurrected or the beginning of another period controlled by the Jayhawks.  Beasley and Walker put them back on the map and now Frank Martin and his current squad have to keep them there.

Jacob Pullen, Dominique Sutton and Denis Clemente are all players that come into the season with expectations to lead.  Pullen was a solid compliment to the talent last year and has picked up some of the slack this year so far averaging over 14 points per game.  Clemente after missing all of 2007 returns as one of the more experienced players on the team and has contributed accordingly through the non-conference schedule checking in as the teams 2nd leading scorer and assist man in 2008.  Sutton was a high profile recruit that arrived with Beasley so while he went relatively undetected he is expected to be a key contributor and so far has played good but not great for Frank Martin.

Beyond those three, several others have stepped up early this year but are also considered question marks when looking at how well the season will go in Manhattan.  Jamar Samuels a 6'7" redshirt freshman has shown flashes of great play against some of Kansas State's opponents including solid games against both Iowa and Oregon in losing efforts.  Darren Kent is the Wildcats lone contributing senior and leads the team in rebounding with just over 6 per game. 

Overall as young as the season is and as many question marks as these two teams have, it's tough to get a good read.  Kansas State lacks a true marquee win and with close losses to Kentucky and Iowa at home along with a 5 point loss to Oregon on the road appears to be in a similar spot, possibly even a tougher one than the Jayhawks.  No one can fault them for the loss to OU the likely favorite in the Big 12 this year, but without a real strong win to speak of I think this K-State team will go through a fair amount of growing pains in conference and show the same inconsistencies we've seen from our own Jayhawks.

Check out Bring on the Cats for addional info on the team and I would expect maybe the guys over there might drop in and give me a little insight into how wrong I really am here...they really seem to hate us.  Looking forward to this one myself and I'll have a preview up late tonight or early tomorrow. 

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Its like laker's-clippers for them over there

As in, they hate us cause we’re the shit, and we don’t really care about them that much.

by 2.1 seconds left on Jan 12, 2009 12:14 PM CST reply actions  

Right now that certainly is the case...

I grew up in Illinois so my disdain is more directed at Missouri than K-State. With the bball and football disparities between the two schools in my youth and the fact that my brother ultimately went to Kansas State I just never really saw them as the ultimate rival like I did MU.

Either way it’s still fun to beat them, but nothing get’s under my skin like losing to Missouri.

Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.

by Owen Kemp on Jan 12, 2009 12:19 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't know

I can remember so pretty hotly contested games at Ahearn back when KSU had some decent coaches. I’ve always thought of KSU like a little brother. You generally want him to do well, you are occasionally competitive, but he can be very annoying at times.

by labbadabba on Jan 12, 2009 3:48 PM CST reply actions  

I'm old enough to remember when it was a bitter rivalry.

Jack Hartman was a solid coach and they used to get enough east coast talent to fight us tooth and nail. Of course they benefited from the un-even coaching era of Ted Owens, who was a fine recruiter but not particularly sharp-witted on the bench. I too well remember losing a game at the Phog to them because we called a timeout we didn’t have left and the free throws from the technical decided it. Martin is a solid recruiter but I doubt they’ll threaten us. They have plenty of opportunity to take advantage of the weakness in the rest of the big-12 north however.

by hunter s. royal on Jan 12, 2009 5:56 PM CST reply actions  

a little throwback to the old...I like it.

Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.

by Owen Kemp on Jan 12, 2009 6:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Regardless of feelings...

it’s much better to have a competent K-State team and some sort of competition than a terrible team that we can laugh at every year. At least in my opinion, it’s good for fans and good for the teams.

I still hope the Hawks win by 40, but I do love rivalries.

by Warden11 on Jan 12, 2009 8:20 PM CST reply actions  

couldn't agree more...

while I do want to beat them every chance we get, competition is what’s best for the league and our own team. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again some of Roy’s best teams ran through the conference with nary a worthy opponent. That led to ill prepared teams come tournament time adversity.

Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.

by Owen Kemp on Jan 12, 2009 9:18 PM CST up reply actions  

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