Mario Little: To Redshirt or Not to Redshirt?
The current issue at hand revolves around one Jayhawk; Mario Little. Namely, whether to redshirt him or not. It's a simple question. Would you rather redshirt him, giving him another year of eligibility, but would make him unable to play the rest of the year? Or would you rather, instead, not redshirt him, letting him play out the rest of the year, albeit in an injured condition?
There are, naturally, pros and cons to both sides of the story. And so, here are all of the pros and cons I could come up with, in terms of him potentially redshirting. As in, the pros are essentially reasons for him to redshirt, with the cons serving as the argument for him not to redshirt:
Pros
- Another year of elibility in 2010-2011
- A healthy Mario Little, as opposed to the current version, which is at about 50%
- An opportunity for further development, making him a potentially better player his senior year
Cons
- Loss of a scholarship in the Class of 2010, which could, theoretically, be given to a more talented High Schooler
- No more Mario Little this season; a season where we desperately need another solid, consistent contributor
With all of that, I've gotta say I'd prefer for him not to pick up a redshirt. I think the kid could be a really good player, sure, and it would be nice to get two complete, healthy years from his eligibility. But Self is already beginning the process to replinish this team, and Mario LIttle was never intended to do anything besides make the transition from one potential title contender to the next a little easier to swallow. And so, his potential value in the 2010-11 season isn't the issue here. There is a scholarship limit in college basketball, and I'd rather hold on to that scholarship than hope that Mario LIttle lives up to our hopes. Because, as unfair as it is to say, Mario Little hasn't shown us much so far this year. He is, naturally, generally lost on offense, as would be expected given such an extended absence. And he isn't doing much better on the defensive end. Honestly, the one skill he is performing well at is boxing out and picking up boards, which is quite valuable considering the Morris twins' lack of rebounding skills. Still, he has yet to show us anything that warrants essentially throwing away a scholarship for 2010.
Of course, one could argue that his ineffectiveness is due to injury. And, honestly, they are likely right. If he was healthy, he would be a much better player. I don't doubt that. But, and I suppose this is where the information I don't have my hands on plays a role, I think he is going to be healthy by the end of the season. In the next month-or-so, I'd imagine. I suppose, that is what all of this comes down to. If he isn't getting any better than this, then I guess redshirting him would be the better idea. But I still think we could be dangerous in the NCAA's, and if Mario Little can ever get healthy, he is going to be an absolutely crucial element of any success we will have. Given the way TyTay has played as of late, he could sneak into the starting lineup fairly easily, given his healthy of course, and would soon become one of our main options on offense. And we need that sort of presence, if it is only for a month, plenty more this year than we will need it in 2010. Maybe it's just a hunch, but I have an inkling we're going to be a better, more experienced team two years from now.
So, I am in favor of foregoing the redshirt and simply letting him get healthy. Now, if it is a near impossibility that he'll ever get healthy the rest of this year, then maybe it would be better to just redshirt him. But, assuming that he continues to get healthy and he is around 100% by mid-to-late February, I say keep on letting him play. It comes down to two key issues for me, as I've said.
1) I don't want to use a scholarship for the Class of 2010 on a one year, JUCO transfer. Especially when we are Kansas, and we can get, well, not to insult Mario or anything, but better players. High school players with 4 years of elibility.
2) This team needs a helluva lot more help than the 2010-11 team will need. I guarantee it. So, even if it's only a month as opposed to a year, I'd rather him play this year instead of then.
But those are just my thoughts, my opinions. What do you think? Would you redshirt him, or let him play out the year?
ROCK CHALK!
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Mario Little brings something
to the team that we really need right now. Toughness. I took not of this in his very first minute of playing time against Tenn. He grabbed a loose ball rebound and shrugged a guy off and the way that he held the ball with his arms bowed out and pointing outward, I could just tell we need him more now, rather than later. Now, I realize we are not going to win another NC this year, obviously. But, we still ARE Kansas. We can’t keep going through games without the toughness and fire that Coach Self is known for. The Twins have regressed in recent weeks, Taylor has, as well. Morningstar and Reed are average at best and not exactly scaring anybody out there. Mario is big, strong and solid and doesn’t seem to be afraid to show it. I think once he gets 90% healthy at least he will really begin to show what he can do. Which I think will be much more than you seem to think. But, we will see. I hope he plays out the year myeslf.
"I just trust what he does. And he has such a great ass..... er... grasp" -Chase "Booger" DanielS on Colt McCoy's "Ass-ets"
Morningstar
I don’t know – sometimes he gets overwhelmed athletically but he’s a smart scrappy player who can pick up hustle points and is a solid contributor on D and behind the arc. The more he plays, the more the game will slow down for him and he’ll be better able to close the athletic gap. I still say he could develop into a Jerod Haase type player.
He's also much older than a typical Soph...
1 year prep school, 1 year of redshirt makes him oh around…21-22 by my tally…so he certainly would have to be one of our “headier” players.
Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.
Just fyi, I'm pretty sure Brady is already 23
by hiphopopotamus on Jan 12, 2009 11:06 AM CST up reply actions
even older than I thought...
by the time he graduates he’ll be eligible to collect social security…good for him.
Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.
yeah he was a grade younger
than he was supposed to be growing up in Lawrence.
by I need more Esteban on Jan 12, 2009 1:06 PM CST up reply actions
I agree with both of you...play him...
mostly for much of the reasons rockchalk mentions. Redshirts are just not as valuable in basketball. Self has not problem getting talent to Kansas and if we didn’t have the need for 7 players this year he likely wouldn’t have looked at the JUCO route. Little is needed now and will be valuable next year but by 2010 I want the scholarship available…Royce Wooldridge is already committed and w/Harrison Barnes looking like a good prospect for us as well as others it’ll be time.
Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.
I agree...
I think he’s sorely needed and would be a huge asset even if he’s not at 100%. However, I sat next to his family this weekend at the Breslin Center and they were all pretty convinced he’ll be taking the redshirt. Apparently his rehab really took a big step back when he landed funny against Tennessee and he’s not even close to being healthy right now – likely wouldn’t have even played the last couple games if we didn’t have to make a decision by tomorrow.
Like you guys, I think him playing is what’s best for the team (short and long-term), but for him individually the RS route probably makes the most sense.
I would like to see him take the redshirt
He’s had two pretty significant injuries in-season and as a result has not been able to practice much less play at full speed. I would rather see him get healthy and make contributions down the road. When healthy he can still practice and push the twins to be tougher players but I see him more as a liability than an asset right now and I don’t see it improving anytime soon.
He will be able to contribute down the road,
but will he be blocking someone who could contribute more to the program? In my opinion, he most likely would.
Don't redshirt him!
I’ve been saying this to friends for awhile. In 2 seasons, we will really not need Mario Little as much (let’s hope). The Twins will be Juniors, we’ll have Robinson and a plethera of other talented players. We need Mario Little now. He isn’t playing to his potential right now, but where will he be on March 1st? He could be a lot better and I think this team without Mario Little is lucky to make it to the 2nd weekend of the NCAA tourney.
With a healthy Little, maybe a 2nd weekend trip. We all know how much more exciting that is during March.
by I need more Esteban on Jan 12, 2009 9:20 AM CST reply actions
No redshirt
We need him now, not later. He makes this team much better – he makes later teams better, but not as significantly. Adding him to the rotation gives us the wing we need in self’s system of guards and forwards. Since he’s had his own players, we’ve always had either rush or juju or both to do that, and we need a wing presence like that this year, since marcus has to play most his minutes outside.
No redshirt.
by 2.1 seconds left on Jan 12, 2009 12:12 PM CST reply actions
Redshirt
How about doing what’s best for the player? Redshirting is the proper thing to give him a chance to be successful next season.
Ku does not have a wing player coming in next season at all so Little will be desperately needed the next two years.
If KU needs scholarships I’m hoping when Whitey and Robinson get here the twins transfer.
The choice will absolutely be made w/the players...
best interest in mind, but I sure hope the twins don’t transfer, nor do I think they will…it’s not like they’re the Haley twins or something, they’re just young.
Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.
no not at all...
I think he’s just saying if we’re all talking about not redshirting Little for the sake of having a scholly available…he would rather the Morris twins just transfer out which I don’t think i’d agree with.
Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.
you're crazy
I really hope the Twins don’t transfer. They have a ton of natural talent that we don’t have elsewhere on our roster. Are you so impatient that you won’t give them conference play and a full summer with Manning? Look at what Cole did at the end of the year through the summer. Little hasn’t shown an offensive game, and we will be able to land a more talented wing player in the next 2 years (Stephenson or Barns). Thomas Robinson is going to struggle to get PT over the Twins.
by SweedishHamma on Jan 12, 2009 6:02 PM CST up reply actions
I lean toward a redshirt.
If he were close to playing I wouldn’t say this but it doesn’t seem to be the case. I don’t see KU being any serious threat in the NCAA’s this year and Little looks to be far away from contributing. Nice article in the Lawrence Journal World over the weekend that interviewed family members, and they feel he is a shell of his normal self. The recruits next year are a combo guard in Johnson and two bigs in Withey and Robinson, so Mario will still be filling a serious need. He was the #1 juco in the nation last year, and I’d rather see him get a shot at two solid years.
by hunter s. royal on Jan 12, 2009 4:57 PM CST reply actions
Personally...
I’d like to see him play, but it’s rolling toward the middle of January. Conference games are getting ready to start rolling. I want him to be healthy and at full strength. I say reshirt and wait until next season. I know it hurts us now but I think we will continue to grow as the season goes on.
A buff fan and a jayhawk fan...welcome to RCT...
at least during basketball season. : D
Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.
I'm shocked there's no loyalty to the Ricardo Patton era.
I take it the new hire is not going over well.
by hunter s. royal on Jan 13, 2009 8:38 AM CST reply actions
Living in Denver I do follow CU sports a bit and here's my take on the new hire...
Jeff Bzdelik is still in his honeymoon period so to say he is not going over well would be jumping the gun a bit. There was a mass turnover on his arrival and he does finally have the very early foundation of an improving team. Not saying the talent level there is anywhere near the caliber to win the Big 12 or anything, but they do have enough talent and enough good quality guys to maybe be a middle tier Big 12 team that squeaks into the tourney in a few years. Make no mistake this is a MAJOR rebuilding project and basketball is not the first priority at CU. They are however making major facility upgrades and committing to the program as we did to football after years of ignoring it. Bzdelik is an good coach, a team first coach the question will be how long it will take and if he’ll get the time he needs. Obviously using Ricardo Patton as the barometer you would think he would get all the time he wants.
As far as your Ricardo Patton comment, I am assuming sarcasm on that one and got a good laugh…his departure was welcomed by I would venture to say every single person associated with or a fan of CU basketball.
Irish over at the Ralphie Report can probably enlighten us into the state of the program and thoughts about Bzdelik as we look ahead to the CU game this weekend.
Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.
Redshirt
I get all the argument on both sides, but there’s one more. If Mario is not in the lineup, it put added pressure on the twins to step up. I think they, and Tyrone will shake the “freshman wall”. I think this will put additional pressure on Sherron to be a better leader. He still hasn’t embraced his leadership role by guiding the freshman players toward D-1 level playing intensity. He still thinks his role is to score. Of course that is a big part of his role, but he’s the player with the most floor experience. When things get tough, he takes over from the team. One of the things most valuable about Danny Manning back in the day, was that he made the players around him better. Sherron pushes too hard, gets out of control, then tries to make a great pass to a freshman big that isn’t expecting it, and turns the ball over.
This is getting off topic. Would redshirting Mario help the team? Maybe some later in the season, maybe by the time of the conference tourney he’d be contributing. But where would the twins be on the learning curve. I would rather they were contributing more points and rebounds in March. Face it, we’re not going to the Final Four this year. I think the best we can hope for is a Sweet Sixteen appearance. Oklahoma looks a lock for the conference title. Redshirting Mario still leaves him in practice to teach the twins how to be tough, and gives next year’s incoming bigs the opportunity Cole had to learn without the pressure of performing every game. It means Cole and Mario will graduate together in 2011 and leave a solid group of bigs behind.
Rock Chalk, y'all,
Dr. J. Hawk
Great followup
Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.
Its OFFICIAL - He's coming back
looks like the commenters on the KC Star would have rather seen him take the redshirt
good catch...throw it in a fanshot if you want
I’m happy with it…it’s good for the team and it shouldn’t affect him long term. He’ll develop and get up to speed this year, heel up in the offseason and if he’s got a legitimate shot at the NBA he’ll have next year to prove it with us still lacking much depth at the wing.
Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.
I hope it's for the best...
I just have a bad fear that he’ll re-aggravate the injury and then the season is lost without him ever being able to go full speed.
by hiphopopotamus on Jan 13, 2009 3:40 PM CST up reply actions

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