"Well, That Wasn't Completely Terrible" -- Kansas 62 Michigan State 75
Coming in, we all generally agreed that Michigan State was the better team. More experienced, more talented, deeper, bigger, maybe even faster. Were we to play this game 10 times in East Lansing, they would likely win eight or nine of them. Still, we all held out hope that we could play well, or they could play really poorly, and it would all come together and we could pick up a monumental win.
It started out fine, with us quickly jumping ahead 7-1. From there, it wasn't nearly as enjoyable. A couple of buckets for both sides left the score at 11-6; from there, though, it wasn't quite as fun. A 19-1 run by the Spartans immediatley followed, and they never really looked back. The first half, especially the last 15 minutes of it, was absolutely dreadful. Turnovers, missed shots, and plenty of God-awful defense. The worst half of basketball we've played all year, narrowly coming in ahead of the second half against Arizona. Despite our early hot start, we were dominated in every single way imaginable that first 20 minutes. No one stood up. In the first half, it was just a collage of miscues and mistakes and screw-ups.

Uh, yeah, that's pretty much what the first half was like...(Nick Krug -- KU Sports)
It wasn't all negative, though. We came out in the second half and, after Michigan State knocked down an early two, we went on a 9-0 run to start out the second half. And once that happened, we settled down. Sherron began to take the team on his back, but didn't go all me-against-the-world. He merely tried extra hard, driving the extra mile, but still not hesitating to kick the ball out to the open perimeter players. With Sherron's leadership, our entire team slowly moved beyond the rough-and-tough defense the Spartans were playing and the incredibly touchy-feely refereeing and the not-that-loud crowd to battle the Spartans back-and-forth. Even after the 9-0 run, Michigan State outscored our Baby Hawks by all of one point, and even that is inflated because of our late fouling.
As bad as we played the first half, we still had a chance to win the game late. Late in the game, with us only down 9, we had the ball. Sherron brought the ball down and, in leadership fashion, fired up a three. In rhythm, with his feet under him, with rebounders under the basket. All good. And, from the release, it looked good. Oh, it looked good. Were it to go in, oh boy. It would have made it a six-point contest, with about three minutes left, and we would have had all of the momentum. The Breslin Center would have been awfully quiet, and it would have been exciting. Alas, it wasn't to be, and the ball ended up about six inches short. Michigan State scooped up the board, drove it down the floor, and sunk a three.
Game over.
Still, the mere fact that we had a chance, however slim, to come back and win the game says a lot. We continued to fight, continued to battle, continued to try our best. Sure, we didn't play our best basketball, even in the second half. But we clearly wanted it more than the Spartans did the second half, and played much better. And that, while not as fun or good or enjoyable as a victory, is almost as important. It proved that we can battle back-and-forth with the country's elite. We out played them in the second half, and this is a legitimate Final Four team. That's no small stuff.
We were able to come back in the game thanks to, surprise surprise, our two leaders. More on those leaders, and every other player in the player-by-player reviews after the break...
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Sherron took the team on his back in the second half, after getting punched in the mouth in the first, and just about lead us back all the way. Still, despite falling short in leading us back, and despite him turning the ball over 8 times, and despite only shooting 25% from the three-point line, dude balled. Big time. 25 points, nearly all of them in the second session, and 8 assists to go along with them; just about all of them, again in the second half, off of drives where he single-handedly drew in three-or-four defenders, only to find Tyrel Reed wide open in the corner.
- Speaking of Tyrel Reed, it was nice for him to actually show up. In a game where not too many people showed up and played all that well, Tyrel Reed put together quite an impressive second half. 10 points, and that includes two missed free throws, which are usually automatic for him. Still, he played pretty good defense, and was the one guy all day who would actually get open on the wing for Sherron to dish off. Brady disappointed, but Tyrel showed up in a big way.
- Lastly in the good column we have Cole Aldrich. Not a fantastic game, and he missed way too many layups (seriously, for a dude who has such an awesome seventeen-footer, you would think he can make a layup), but he was a huge presence on the boards (really, our only presence), especially in the second half. And he knocked down his freebies, for the most part, along with a couple of mid-range jumpers. Not a tremendous game, again, but a nice, solid, good-enough-to-win game. It's just that not too many others played up to their own level.
- Mainly, the Morris twins and Brady. Markieff played pretty well when he was in there, but picking up 5 fouls in 14 minutes is terrible. No matter how ridiculous the refs are calling the game, that is simply inexcusable. Marcus just didn't play well, period. Only played 8 minutes despite picking up 2 fouls, so that tells you everything you need to know. And, lastly, we have Brady. Brady had to match up with Raymar for much of the game, which is a tough-ass assignment, and he did pretty well, all things considered. But his offensive game was non-existent, except for that one three he hit (well, that and that one two he hit with like 3 seconds left). Not a terrible outing by Brady, but he clearly was overmatched physically and athletically. Still played decent enough, but wasn't the same surprise that is oh-so-fun to root for. He almost looked panicked, at times.
- The worst player, besides Marcus Morris at least, would have to be TyTay. I love the kid, a whole helluva lot, but he just looks lost out there right now. Nothing technical or anything, just someone who looks like he is having to think through every step, as opposed to merely going out there and playing. He is going to have to start playing better, because Bill Self sent a clear message the second half; Travis Releford played like double the minutes of TyTay in the second half, and we did way better. Not saying it was the switch of Taylor and Releford, just saying.
- Speaking of coaching, I don't know if I've ever seen Bill Self get quite so pissed as he did in the first half. I mean, he even acted all pissy when they told him that referee Steve Welmer was leaving because of medical reasons. Something about seating his ass in a chair, or something. And, for some reason, I doubt there was too much humor entailed in that. But, back to the actual players. The easiest way, besides hearing him getting pissed off at injured officials, to tell that Self is pissed is how liberally he uses his bench. I realize that plenty of coaches do this, but he does it more than most. I mean, he brought in everybody. Everybody. Kleinmann, Appleton, Quintrell, Mario Little. Even Connor Teahan got his name in the boxscore, albeit at the end of the game. Maybe I'm remembering this wrong, but didn't Kleinmann come in before Quintrell? If so, that is quite the indictment of Quintrell. In any case, I don't think he was trying to do anything other than simply sending a message about how angry he was with our collective play as a unit. He was even royally ticked off with Sherron, having Appleton run the point a little in the first half.
- I'm not going to address the Mario LIttle situation, as I want to have a situation-specific post up sometime Sunday. So watch out for that.
- And, finally, one last note. I thought Travis Releford, while not standing out, did quite well for himself. He boxed-out, for the most part, played pretty good defense, and by-and-large looked like he knew what he was doing. He outplayed TyTay, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him get a start on Tuesday. If for nothing else, just to let everyone know that the best players will play. Hopefully he can keep it up, because if Mario Little doesn't pick up his game fast, or is redshirted, we really need another perimeter/big slash to step up. A good Releford gives us the option to go small, with Releford effectively serving as the 4. He plays big enough and boxes out well enough that it is a possibility, and we did it for substantial stretches today. A not-so-good, beginning-of-the-year Releford either forces Little to fill the role or simply forfeit the option of playing small, unless you want Tyrel guarding the other team's 4.
I still plan on giving some Insight Bowl-related thoughts, although those will almost certainly be included in my Position Reviews for the year. Hopefully, those can start sometime next week, although it will be after Tuesday night's matchup with Kansas State at the earliest.
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Not addressing Little
on the redshirt or the dipshit fouls he had? Seriously, he challenged Markieff today in uselessness.
Agree on Releford...
I was generally happy with him and I think long term he’s going to be a pretty special player for us.
In terms of Bill Self’s anger, I think everyone would have been happy if we had come out and competed but in the first half where he seemed the most irritated we didn’t. That’s when he goes to the bench, that’s when he looks for someone to show they want to play, and that’s when Releford picked up a bunch of minutes.
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Looking forward to your other posts this week...
position reviews especially.
Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.
Also....w/the non conference slate complete, I'm curious on everyones thoughts...
As to which of the new crop everyone is feeling most optimistic about. Obviously there have been up’s and down’s by all of them and they’re still young, but with our limited sampling so far who shows the most potential.
I guess if I were have to say it would be Tyshawn Taylor and Travis Releford. I know each has looked lost at times but I just think these two really look to have the opportunity to be solid 3-4 year players in Self’s system much like the group from last year. Tyshawn will settle in eventually and I see him as being a very explosive player and defender. Releford, I’m not sure if I can pinpoint it but it just seems his work ethic and attitude are at a different level than some of these newbies and even though it’s not translating to the court at this point I think it will ala Darnell Jackson.
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Really disappointed
in the Morris boys so far. Agree with Taylor and Releford.
Morningstar and Reed have shown they can be valuable players on this team, that’s something I wasn’t sure about before the season.
This is from Upon Further Review (KC Star)
thought it summed it up quite nicely:
other than three runs, it was embarrassingly bad. KU began the game hot, began the second half hot and had a respectable run at the end. In between those periods it was men against boys.
"men against boys"
good news is I think our boys will grow up at some point…maybe not this year, but it will happen.
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Only pr victories in this one.
Not surprising we lost, but I was disappointed by the lack of competitiveness after the first few minutes of the game. If MSU had pressed us more, or pushed the pace a little we might have been down 30 at the half. Nice coaching by Self to get us back into respectability in the second half, and I’ll give the players credit for not quitting, but a mediocre effort. Sherron’s nice second half contrasted with his first, when we really needed him to step up. I thought Releford did give us some decent minutes defensively, and Tyrel was good in the second half also. Cole showed up both halves, but with no help I think he gets overwhelmed sometimes and has trouble finishing. On a positive note, there will be no over-confidence heading into Tuesday’s game. Our early big-12 schedule is very soft, and we have a nice chance to start off 6-0 before we have any tough road games.
by hunter s. royal on Jan 11, 2009 11:24 AM CST reply actions
I'm glad we won the Tennessee game
Because of that, this one was pretty much a free shot to take out a highly ranked team, and if that didn’t happen at least we’d get experience against that level of talent. I think that overall you can’t really complain about the results, especially since we fought back after getting hit with the kind of haymaker that a team like that is capable of at home. I think more than anything with this game I was worried about the fact that we might fall behind early and not know how to stop the bleeding.
I think that the experience of battling back against a talented team will be very important for our team, not only in terms of coming back from deficits but also in regards to keeping the leads we build. So far I think that one of our main problems is that there is such a fine line between us playing our fluid, defense-based transition game and playing way too fast and turning it over. That, and boxing out. Boxing out would help, as we could actually get out in transition. And we wouldn’t have to deal with all the extra fouls, points, and frustration that offensive rebounds lead to.
Either way, I think that we are officially hitting the wall with all of our freshmen, as they’ve probably far surpassed the amount of time they put into basketball all of last year with the amount of games and practice they’ve had so far. I think though, that our non-con schedule was pretty challenging, and I think that getting confidence back from our early conference schedule is going to help these guys “turn on the light” as they say.
by 2.1 seconds left on Jan 11, 2009 12:04 PM CST reply actions
Oh and by the way
I really prefer this forum from the LJworlds, everyone here seems to realize that this isn’t going to be a spectacular year for KU basketball and is happy to just watch the team grow, confident that they will improve and that we are set for the future. Over there, everyone is way too pissed off, and seems to think we should rescind the twins their scholarships. Seems a bit extreme to me.
by 2.1 seconds left on Jan 11, 2009 12:06 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed.
The freshman are just that and they’ve all shown nice potential. Consistent freshman is probably an oxymoron. This year will be a struggle, but it’s fun to watch the progress.
by hunter s. royal on Jan 11, 2009 12:23 PM CST up reply actions
Self has shown the ability to take freshman
and succeed. My belief in Bill Self keeps me optimistic about this year’s team.
Funny you should say that...
that’s kind of how I ended up on SB Nation as a whole. I am not a Broncos fan but living in Denver I do like to talk/debate the Broncos. Tried doing it on the Denverpost but you had two extreme’s of irrational fans. Found Mile High Report on SB Nation, great group, very reasonable and fun to discuss things with. The rest is history, from there I found Rock Chalk Talk and can’t wait to see what it can become with folks like yourself and others beginning to become so active lately.
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Great post...
growth and development is definitely the name of the game this year and games like this although not necessarily fun for fans are part of the journey. For me as a fan last year helped me understand that more than ever. It’s not always about the destination, especially in the college basketball climate today and often times the journey is what makes the end so fulfilling. Would I take a National title every year, sure I would but watching Darnell Jackson, Russell Robinson, Brandon Rush, Mario Chalmers, Sasha Kaun and all that group grow into Jayhawks was what made it that much more special for them and as a result for us as fans.
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The Twins.........
completely predictable and disappointing. Releford does have a lot of potential. Reed definitely came to play ball and continued to show that he is a promising young star. Morningstar and Aldrich can be relied upon and continue to show leadership. I’m currently going through a love/hate relationship with Sharron, he is becoming more of a leader but he lacks consistency. I though we played ok. Minus some fundamental mistakes, we hung in there. Michigan State is a great team. We’re still learning. Self will make this team, it’s just going to take some time.
Another Newbie...
welcome to RCT jamguru…who’s the band in the pic…
point well taken and I think it’s becoming a reoccurring and refreshing thought on this board that the best times are still to come with this group.
looking forward to hearing more of you thoughts on the Jayhawks.
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Agreed.
But I wonder how much the Championship has A) given KU fans the “we’re the champion, everything else is just gravy” attitude and B) everyone accepting these freshmen (mainly staying positive) because of Self winning a championship.
Nothing wrong with either of those thoughts, at least in my book. A championship will buy you some good will. Still, just wonder how much different it would be if Mario hadn’t hit that shot.
We'd still have mario
which would take a lot of pressure off of everyone
by 2.1 seconds left on Jan 12, 2009 11:57 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'd rather he just hit the shot
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Looks like
it might be Phish….
Didn’t get a chance to make it to East Lansing for the game, weather was horrible, decided to watch it from home.
You can feel the untapped potential in this team, I think by the end of the season, Coach Self will have started to add some good polish to this diamond in the rough. We should be able to make some noise in the tourney.
by MichiganJayHawk on Jan 11, 2009 7:31 PM CST up reply actions
and the Newbies keep on coming...
Hello and welcome to you too Michigan…Phish was my first thought as well, but I’m not a huge follower so couldn’t say for sure. As far as the team I would love for you to be right about the noise in the tourney, I guess we’ll have to wait and see.
Again glad to have you at RCT
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The band......
Got to represent Colorado with Sting Cheese of course! Can’t wait for the game tonight!
Where in CO
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Appropriate terminology for a man named Denver's work.
Now we just have to get these guys’s into the game threads so Warden & i can rest a bit.
by hunter s. royal on Jan 12, 2009 12:22 AM CST reply actions
Trust me...
there is not rest in the drive for 4000 :D
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in all seriousness...
if this place knocked out 4000 posts for a game…that would be pretty damn impressive.
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