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John Wall? No Thanks.

Editor's Note: Sorry, this article was constructed pretty poorly. I am not, in any way, trying to put down John Wall or creating character problems that don't exist (which they don't). However, and this is made clearer in the comments than in the actual meat-and-bones of the article, I've heard that he has potential "handler" issues. That's all. And yes, I do know the whole Chalmers and Manning stories. But just to make things clear, I never meant to accuse anyone involved simply for a coach being hired by Baylor. It happens all the time, I understand that. It isn't illegal to hire a coach to get the kid to come there, and that might not even be the case here (although, for you to think the events are completely unrelated is awfully naiive IMO).So, in summation, I apologize to anybody who took offense to this article. I really didn't mean it to be that way at all. Sorry.

Nearly every year, the top hoops recruits in the country have nearly identical lists. Sure, depending on where they reside and what connections they may or may not have, some extra schools may be on the list that aren't popping up on all of the top recruits. A good example of this is 2009's #2 recruit in the country, according to Rivals, DeMarcus Cousins. Being from Alabama, he is on his way to UAB and Mike Davis, not one of the most prestigous, basketball-rich schools in the country. Still, the vast majority of the top prospects will include Duke, North Carolina, Kansas, UCLA and Kentucky on their lists, at least at some point during their incredibly long recruiting process. Some other schools, like Texas, Memphis and Louisville, are starting to pop up in just as many prized recruits' lists as the traditional powerhouses, but if you want a safe bet stick with the five best programs in college basketball history.

And so, when I look at the schools considering John Wall, I get a little nervous. Just a few days ago, he narrowed his list of potential schools to seven:

John Wall, a 6-4 senior point guard from Word of God Christian Academy in Raleigh, N.C., currently has a final list of seven schools, Rivals.com reports. They are: KU, Memphis, Baylor, Oregon, Kentucky, North Carolina State and Oklahoma State.

Looking at that list, you see Kansas and Kentucky. And Memphis. And, a lot of second-and-third tier programs, not the type that are usually in on these high-profile kids these late. Not to say that lack of interest from some premier programs should prohibit us from recruiting him. But it doesn't send a great message, especially as the reigning National Champion. Every other school on his 'final' list can afford to take on a player with questionable character with Wall's talent. And that is just what Wall is; a player with questionable character.

Because, while it is one thing for some of the elite programs in the country to pass over the occasional highly-praised recruit, it is entirely another when said recruit is in your backyard. You see, in case you don't really follow recruiting, John Wall is from North Carolina. Raleigh, NC, to be exact. That would be about a half-hour drive to Chapel Hill, and a twenty-minute drive to Durham. Yet both didn't make his final list. Not because of John Wall, either. It's just that they didn't want him. That would be like there being a stud prospect in Kansas City, the #1 prospect in the entire country. Schools from all over the country would be flying in to get a look-see at him, but we would simply pass him over. Yea, I know. Doesn't exactly make sense.

And yet, Duke and North Carolina are simply glazing over him, treating him like hundreds of others wannabe Dookies or Tar Heels. There only seems to be one answer to this: John Wall is trouble.

That he is. Despite not having a criminal rap sheet, he has done enough to keep programs nationwide wary and to keep the two North Carolina powers completely clear. A lot of that has to do with his AAU coach Dwon Clifton, who has recently been hired away from his AAU post to be an assistant coach at the University of Baylor, under Scott Drew. Sound familiar?

Beasley, 19, doesn't hide that he chose a college he had never even visited because of a close friendship with his former AAU assistant coach, Delonte Hill, who may have gotten an assistant coaching job at K-State last season because of his ability to deliver Beasley.

Hill was an assistant for three seasons at UNC-Charlotte, where Beasley initially committed. But then-Kansas State coach Bob Huggins offered Hill a job, and Beasley came with him.

"I'm here because of Delonte," Beasley said. "I think everyone wants to go to college with someone they can trust and someone who has their back, and Delonte has nothing but that."

Of course, considering the recent developments of the whole Chalmers' Family saga, we as Kansas fans should treat lightly on this whole issue of "bringing in coaches to bring in recruits". However, there are two key differences with Kansas' case. For one, Mario officially committed to the Jayhawks before his dad was ever hired. Now, I highly doubt that he hire away a high school coach from Alaska were he not to have a son that was a pretty good baller, but it isn't clear that it is the reason Mario came (and, IIRC, we were Mario's favorite and his likely destination even if his dad wasn't h ired). And two, there is helluva big difference between being a high school coach, like Ronnie Chalmers was, and being an AAU coach, like Delonte Hill (ed. note: Dalonte Hill was an assistant coach at Charlotte as well prior to his hiring at K-State) and, now, Dwon Clifton were.

But, for North Carolina and Duke to stay away, there has to be more. More than simply having his AAU coach be 'bought', so to speak, by the Bears of Baylor. Maybe he has eligibility issues. Maybe, and this is the most likely, he has 'handler issues', likely involving Dwon. All it takes is a couple of dollar bills to exchange hands and, poof, there goes a handful of scholarships.

I'm not saying that John Wall is a bad kid, or that whoever signs him was obviously dealing below-the-belt. He could turn out to be one of the best PGs in the history of basketball and a model citizen to boot. But, what I am saying is that, as one of the premier programs in the country, the trouble that surrounds him isn't worth the potential gain. We are coming off a monstrous season, for obvious reasons, possess an incredible amount of tradition and will have nearly every spot open available for playing time. We shouldn't, and clearly don't, have any problem bringing talent to Lawrence. So why should we bother with a kid who his two hometown programs are staying away from?

It's all about risk vs. reward. And, frankly, the reward of having a better PG (how much better is debatable, especially considering that SC could be coming back for his senior year and Wall is all-but-guaranteed to be a one-and-done) isn't worth near the risk of setting this program back a handful of scholarships and, worse, a potential trip to the postseason. Thanks, but no thanks, from where I'm standing.

 

 

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Dalonte Hill

Hill was an assistant at Charlotte when he was hired by Bob Huggins.

We'll carry the banner high!

by TB on Aug 21, 2008 8:04 AM CDT   0 recs

Sorry. My bad.

Honestly, I read like four different articles about the whole thing, and not a single one mentioned it. But still…

by rockchalk on Aug 21, 2008 12:29 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

one reason why

I just happened across this blogpost, but I’m a UNC fan, and I can tell you that one of the major reasons UNC didn’t chase Wall hard is because ‘10 PG Kendall Marshall — who UNC had watched for a while — committed early to the Heels (and also, Larry Drew was coming in as a frosh this year), thus they didn’t recruit the point guard position for ‘09 at all…I think he would have gotten a lot of consideration from UNC under different circumstances…I’ve never heard anything at ALL about his character, so remember there can be a lot of reasons you might not have thought of…

by tilton on Aug 21, 2008 3:01 PM CDT   0 recs

I know.

I didn’t put it together like I wanted. I’ve just heard more than a few rumblings, beyond the lack of a Dook and UNC recruitment, about his character and, more notably, “handler issues”. It isn’t like this kid is a bad apple, more like he could have some people trying to capitalize on his talent and there is, like it or not, a high chance that some money has at least been offered. Maybe I’m being naiive, but I would rather stay away from that potential sanction.

I should rephrase a part of that, though, where I use the lack of recruitment by Dook and UNC as an indictment on his character.

by rockchalk on Aug 21, 2008 6:27 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Defining "Character"

Both Coach K and Roy tend to have a more old-fashioned attitude towards what they perceive as character. Players with tattoos and cornrows are almost unheard of for both programs, despite the fact that such things have nothing to do with the type of person you are, IMO.

I’ve never even seen a picture of this kid, so I could be talking out of my ass. But Roy said something after we beat the crap out of them to the effect of, “at least I can be proud of the character of my kids” that really bothered me, considering our team had 100% senior graduation rate, and not even a hint of academic or police troubles up to that point.

by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Aug 21, 2008 3:43 PM CDT   0 recs

+1.

Character has nothing to do with how many tatoos or cornrows or fros you have. The only player on our entire team with even somewhat questionable character, IMO, is Sherron Collins, with his whole sexual assault dealio, but that was likely just a chick trying to get some attention. Not to discard it completely, which is why his character is ‘questionable’, but it isn’t on the same level as a DUI, for instance.

Still, it seems silly like Roy can say stuff like that cause his ‘boys’ don’t have a lot of tats, but then his point guard goes off and, while underage, picks up a DUI while not a single Kansas player has been nothing but a model citizen (save SC’s ‘supposed’ sexual assault).

by rockchalk on Aug 21, 2008 6:31 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

What?

You guys will probably ban me, but KU is a very dirty program. No other program in the country would give a package deal to a dad to circumvent not being allowed to pay players. Like it or not, what you did with the Chalmers family was something only like KU, UNLV of old, and Memphis would do.

by sobe on Aug 22, 2008 3:09 PM CDT   0 recs

Blogs

This is a prime example of how blogs like these are ruining accredited journalism and belong in the junk pile. This pops up under “News”, yet not only do you not have any valid sources, you have NO sources whatsoever. You make blind accusations about some KID who you’ve never met and other universities which you did not attend with little to no evidence. And the irony in it all is that Kansas was on the hiring end of one of the most blatant examples of “questionable” hires of all time i.e. Danny Manning and his father. If I were Mr. Wall I would sue your butt for a sizable sum. This is one of the more laughable examples of the pot calling the kettle black I have ever seen in any form of athletics. This column is a joke.

by walkinthetalkin on Aug 23, 2008 5:46 PM CDT   0 recs

You can read my comment a little farther down.

But, frankly, you are misreading into my intent. Obviously, I didn’t do too good of a job of conveying the point I was trying to make.

I even went out of my way, both in the article and in an above comment, to say that I’m condoning the kid at all. It has very little to do with him.

I’ve just heard plenty of rumors and speculation, which is all this article is, that he has trouble surrounding him. Not him, not at all, and not his family, necessarily, but all it takes is one guy trying to make some money off of the most famous guy they’ve ever run into, and the school that gets him is on probation. That’s all.

I put it in more black-and-white terms than I wanted to, but my stance stays the same. I’ve just heard, as mentioned below, from enough people to make me suspicious.

by rockchalk on Aug 26, 2008 6:32 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

this column

is a joke. Jazzy Hartwell got paid 50K to deliver Darrell Arthur. On top of that, you throw a good kid under the bus. You need your ass whipped, punk.

by rockchalkfalse on Aug 26, 2008 3:44 PM CDT   0 recs

Wow.

OK, obviously I was wrong on a few things.

I’ve just heard some rumblings from more than a handful of places about this kid being a package deal. And packages are almost never good things.

I’m not sure if you read the article or not, but I went out of my way to say that I know nothing about his character, and this isn’t a comment about anything wrong he did. At all.

I’m not saying that John Wall is a bad kid

I’m currently reading The Jump, the book about Sebastian Telfair’s jump to the NBA, but it also discusses, in heavy depth, about college coaches recruiting. And it is rarely about the kid. All it takes is for one guy to try and get rich off the kid, one assitant coach from AAU or anyone, and BAM, the school is on probation.

Look, I’m sorry to anyone I offended. Obviously, I was way off base.

But it doesn’t make things better to throw out another bogus rumor. How is it fair for you to throw out unsubstantiated rumors which few actually believe, but it isn’t fair for me to throw out speculation as, GASP, speculation that I’ve heard from plenty of people, both on the internet and through conversations.

by rockchalk on Aug 26, 2008 6:28 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Quit acting high and mighty

when KU is just as dirty as most any other college basketball powerhouse. I know MANY AAU coaches in the Dallas area, Jazzy got paid. It’s fact.

Memphis, Kentucky and Oklahoma State are some of the dirtiest programs out there.

Teams like Oregon, Baylor and NC State are just trying to play by the same rules as the big boys.

Those coaches down there in Waco are working their tales off, and the coaches at the name schools are actually having to hustle for a change. Good for them. They have the NCAA police looking through every minute detail of every call, email and text message. That school went through hell, and I hope they win the John Wall sweepstakes and kick the crap out of the hypocrites at KU.

You obviously run this site, and while the apology is nice, you should do MUCH more research before blindly talking about a kid that is 17 years old. Be very happy he’s not my son.

by rockchalkfalse on Aug 27, 2008 1:30 PM CDT   0 recs

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