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The SEC bias in College Baseball

After the field of 64 was announced there were a lot of upset Big-12 fans, count me among them. The selection committee invited nine teams from the SEC despite the conference being in decline and ranked #4 in terms of RPI at the end of the season.

Two particular points were hit hard in various reaction pieces. Both LSU and Georgia were given super-regional seeds while no Big-12 teams were similarly honored.  Super regional status, (a top-eight seeding) is not just an honor, it also provides the awarded team with a significant competitive advantage by granting them home field advantage through the first two rounds of the tournament.  Three Big-12 teams which appeared stronger than Georgia were passed over.  This latest tournament seeding controversy further solidifed the growing opinion that a pro-SEC bias exists in the sport - a bias which damages college baseball's national appeal and skews the competitive balance of the championship tournament.

A second point beaten on all week was that Arkansas was given an at-large invitation to the tournament despite the Razorbacks failure to even qualify for the SEC tournament. The ire directed at the committee about this decisions was somewhat tempered by the inclusion of the apparently equally undeserving Oklahoma team. From my perspective, neither Oklahoma nor Arkansas truely earned an invitation.  That said, I don't see why Oklahoma’s selection attracted more negative commentary than that of the Razorbacks since the Sooners were at least as good as four SEC teams handed at large bids. OU finished with an RPI of 38. Compare that to Arkansas (36), Vanderbilt (37), Mississippi (44) and Alabama (48). If it had been up to me of those five only Vanderbilt would have been invited. Charlestown and Missouri State had as good a case as any of the others on that list and were left at home. Invitations to these "mid-major" schools would have at least shaken up this year’s dance card a little bit and helped the committee accomplish one of it’s publicly stated goals, to promote the growth of the college baseball on a national level.

I took the time to publish the above rant (but a good and reasonable rant) because what happened yesterday seemed to validate much of my frustration. The SEC went 3-5 in the first day of the tournament. SEC regular season champion Georgia, who was given the super regional over Nebraska, Texas A&M and Oklahoma State, lost to Lipscomb at home 10-7. Missouri shutout Ole Miss, Pepperdine beat Arkansas, Tulane beat Florida, Michigan beat Kentucky and,… yes … Oklahoma beat Vanderbilt. The Big-12 went 5-1, the SEC went 3-6.

Maybe next year the selection committee will catch up with what many national analysts have been writing for some time now, the SEC has been relying on tradition for too long.  SEC baseball is not as good as it used to be, and not as good many still think it is.

If the SEC were to ask me how they might get their game back (no, I'm not waiting by the phone) one suggestion I'd make is to start playing non-conference schedules that involves leaving the south to face quality opponents. SEC teams seem to prefer playing comfortable non-conference schedules composed almost exclusively of home games vs. regional opponents rather than preparing themselves to face the best teams in the nation by leaving home and seeing how they stack up against the better teams across the nation. 

In 2008 the twelve teams of the SEC played only 24 non-conference games outside the region. In these contest they went 11-13. Arkansas accounted for nine of those games, Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, Tennessee and Vanderbilt played three each. Auburn, Florida, Kentucky, LSU, Mississippi State and South Carolina never left the south. The SEC played 97% of their games in the South. Win-loss records built on schedules like this are deceptive. The performance of the SEC in the College World Series over the last ten years bears this out. 

My real beef here is not with the SEC.  Those schools can follow whatever path they so chose.  My irritation is with the NCAA selection committee.  I wish the members would have done their jobs a little better, paid a bit more attention to what is happening across the nation, and stopped treating SEC teams like they all had a standing invite to the tournament which could only be revoked in years of total collapse.  The job of the committee is not to coddle established programs, it is to reward excellence.  They didn't do their job well enough this year.

Of course, SEC teams could go on a tear starting today and make me look like a complete idiot by next week. But I'll be brave and publish this just the same. It is well past time for more debate on this topic across the spectrum of college baseball. The status quo is simply hurting NCAA hardball - solidifying it as a regional rather than national sport.

Update: With the first round now complete, two of the nine SEC teams advanced.  One of the five Big-12 teams advanced.  Both conferences performed poorly.  The big winners of week one, the ACC (4 of 6 teams still alive), the Pac-10 (3 of 5 still alive), and the Big West (2 of 4 still fighting).

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The SEC's scheduling philosophy sounds familiar...

See: non-conference schedules for their upper-echelon football teams.

When it comes to baseball though, I wonder how much weather is a factor in that decision. It seems almost guaranteed that the games, barring rain, would have decent weather in the SEC. I’d guess teams would rather travel to pretty much a guaranteed game in say, Georgia, rather than taking a chance on hoping it isn’t 20 degrees in say, Iowa.

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by rptgwb on May 31, 2008 3:00 PM CDT   0 recs

The SEC is blessed with an early spring,

and that does factor in. Most SEC teams draw well also, so money is a factor. These factors explain why SEC teams travel less often then some other conferences, but that really isn’t the situation. Most SEC teams never travel. Arkansas was the only SEC to play more than three games outside the region all year. What stops Kentucky from going to Stanford or Texas for an early series? Georgia risked an early series at Oregon State this year. They lost. Oregon State finished second from last in the Pac-10. That was the only time Georgia left the South all season.

Traveling would hurt the SEC in terms of attendance and they would run the risk of encountering more inclement weather, that is true. I think their refusal to travel also causes the teams in the conference to be less well prepared for the tournament, especially those SEC who have to play on the road when it matters the most. If I am right the SEC is sacrificing competitive development for a more comfortable schedule.

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by James Quinn on May 31, 2008 5:04 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

SEC Bias? Maybe. Grow the Sport with Mid-Majors? Never.

Was there an SEC bias in the selection process? Maybe. It’s hard to say, really. I agree with you that Georgia, despite its strong regular season, finished way too weakly to justify a super-regional. Alabama, on the other hand, was one of the hotter teams in the country at the end of the season. To the extent the RPI measures year-round strength, Alabama is probably better right now than its RPI.

As for growing the sport by getting away from the big conferences and inviting the mid-majors, that is frankly hooey. The sport will grow when the big schools with the big money and the big fan-bases get excited about it. Rice and Coastal Carolina are great stories, but they’re lousy for ratings. Lousy for ratings means lousy for TV, which means the sport will not grow by virtue of having Rice and Coastal Carolina as big boys. It would be much better for the sport if Texas and USC/UCLA would become big boys again. Then the ratings would go up.

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by Richard Pittman on Jun 1, 2008 9:16 AM CDT   0 recs

Hi Richard, and welcome to RCT.

It looks like we agree on the main point but have different ideas on how to best address it.

My general view of the selection process is that, when you get down to the last four in, first four out, most years the committee has a pretty decent pool of similar teams to pick from. What separates Alabama, Oklahoma and Arkansas from Charlestown and Missouri State this year? I’d say not enough that I can determine with conviction which is better and which is worse. The committee almost always goes with the established over the "mid-majors" on these toss up decisions. I’d rather see the bids going to equally deserving teams that are trying to build up their programs. Nothing builds a following like success. Just look to Louisville, Tulane, Wichita State, etc. for examples of this. The more schools with strong programs the better for the sport as a whole.

But anyway, I don’t want to come across here as the champion of the mid-majors. The reason I wrote that article was the favoritism I believe the committee is showing the SEC in recent years over teams in the rest of the nation. Truth be told, I think the West Coast conferences have a bigger beef with the committee than does the Big-12. Why not send Oregon State, Washington State and Santa Clara east rather than Arkansas and Vanderbilt west?

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by James Quinn on Jun 1, 2008 10:27 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That's

why there is a committee. You all seem to think selecting the field of 64 is scientific:
“Well Team A has RPI X and won Y amount of games in their conference tournament.” Blah blah blah. The bottom line is there has been a Big 10/Big12 bias in college sports for decades. But the Big 10/Big12 have not been the most talented and competitive conferences in ANY major college sport for quite some time. That’s why a bad record and a low RPI in the SEC trumps a lot of Big 12 teams. In the case of football, that’s why a 2-loss LSU team gave Ohio St. a whooping for the second straight year in the BCS (because Ohio St. and the rest of the Big-10 is ridiculously overrated). The committee’s job is to put the best (and potentially most exciting) field of 64 out there. Every year people make such a big deal out of resume`s and RPIs, but it’s only a portion of the selection criteria. They have to scrutinize each individual team and look at their potential.

One thing I do agree with, is that the Pac-10 does have more of a beef with the committee than the Big-12.

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by ForeignArrow on Jun 1, 2008 12:52 PM CDT   0 recs

The selection of the NCAA tournament field of 64 might not be a "scientific" process,

but it at least should be a rational process.

The SEC is not the best baseball conference and has not been for years. I wish the committee would stop treating teams from the SEC like they were “secretly” better than their records and rankings.

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by James Quinn on Jun 1, 2008 1:29 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Same with football.

And the ACC with basketball. Traditionally, these conferences are better, and are treated that way by the vast majority of the MSM. However, the ACC was clearly not the best college basketball conference last season; it was probably 4th at the best. Still, everyone freaked out when the precious ACC only could manage four teams in while Sean Greenberg received voices of support from the MSM, namely E!SPN and Dickie Vitale, for being “snubbed” out of a bid.

Same thing with football. The SEC isn’t worlds better than the other conferences out there, and there is a pretty legitimate argument to be made that the Pac 10 was better last season.

But I’m getting off track of college baseball. My apologies. I guess I was just trying to say that there is, clearly, an east coast-bias in collegiate sports, all of them, and it hurts the entire sport(s) as a whole.

by rockchalk on Jun 1, 2008 3:12 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Self-fulfilling prophecies

One part of this whole situation that I really hate, these biases become self-fulfilling prophecies to an extant.

Give a conference nine bids and who can be shocked if they get two teams into the College World Series. Luck and the weight of numbers carry the day.

Give a weaker team home field advantage and who can be shocked when they manage to win their regional bracket against a better team.

To often people point to these results as if they validate the original selection. What we really see is the RESULT OF the bias, not the JUSTIFICATION FOR the bias.

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by James Quinn on Jun 1, 2008 3:52 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Perhaps

each sport deserves its own debate (so let’s digress)... but the SEC is head and shoulders the best football conference in the nation. I disagree that there’s a “legitimate” argument for the Pac-10. I mean go ahead and make your case, but there isn’t much of a case to be made. This is probably the type of “bias” that people are referring to, but for me it’s the result of watching a ton of college football and recognizing that there is a notable drop-off in other conferences, even the Pac-10. The Pac-10 only has 3 teams (USC, Oregon, and Cal) that could reasonably challenge for a BCS bid. The SEC has double that (Florida, LSU, Tennessee, Georgia, Auburn, and Alabama). People were freaking out because LSU had 2 losses and still played for the title, but when you have all these powerhouses beating on each other, what do you expect from the SEC? The real tragedy is that 2-loss teams from the Pac-10 get snubbed in favor of undefeated or 1-loss teams from the Big-10 (just see LSU vs. OSU and USC vs. Illinois).

I guess the point of all of this is that when committees are making considerations for teams the conferences they play in and the distribution of talent within those conferences plays a huge role in who they ultimately select. In basketball this is particularly true. The Big East was absolutely stacked this year, the result was 7 pretty darn good teams that couldn’t procure seeds as high as other teams that played in cup-cake conferences. The Jayhawks directly benefited from this, they played a total of maybe 5 good teams all season long, and were able to solidify a No.1 seed as a result, thus the easiest path to the Final Four. If you look at Big East team schedules, they all played a minimum of 10 teams that made the tournament or were “bubble” teams.

So, it’s a little hypocritical to point out biases in the selection of baseball’s field of 64, when the Kansas Jayhawks directly benefited from these same “biases” to win a National Championship in basketball this season.

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by ForeignArrow on Jun 1, 2008 5:35 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Sorry, I didn't exactly clarify.

I was talking about only last season, 2007. Last season, top-to-bottom, you could definitely make a case for the Pac 10 to be the better conference last season. Now, I actually think the SEC was better, but it was closer than most would have you believe.

As far as Kansas benefiting, that is a stretch. If Kansas loses another three-five games this season, all in the Big 12, the Big 12 seems like such an awesome, world-beater conference. If we lose to Texas Tech, and to Baylor, and to Missouri twice, then a couple of those teams just might make the NCAAs. The Big East was an awesome conference in basketball this season, I would say they were the second best in the country (narrowly behind the Pac 10). The past couple of years, I have fought vehemently for the Big East being called the best conference in the country.

I have little problem with the Big East, it is the ACC that I have a big gripe with. They haven’t been the dominant conference in a long while, and are still treated as the cream of the crop as far as college basketball is concerned.

The Big East was awesome from top-to-bottom, sure, but none of the teams were a real dominant team this season. Louisville and Georgetown were the closest, but they were both firmly behind the Top 4 teams that dominated college basketball season, or so it seemed, and eventually all made the Final Four. That also plays a role in having the Big East, as a whole, having more teams with more wins it.

by rockchalk on Jun 1, 2008 9:53 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The NCAA does a terrible job with 'growing' college baseball

The NCAA apparently couldn’t care less about growing this sport. There are 3 games televised each day of the tournament on ESPN…U! And during the regular season, coverage of college baseball is non-existent. One would think that ESPNU would beg the NCAA to let it televise regular season NCAA baseball games to supplement their regular programming of ‘SEC at 75’ which plays on a near loop. A rational person interested in seeing college baseball grow might also think that the NCAA would reciprocate the begging by asking to have its tournament, the most exciting time of the season, sandwiched between 2005 World Series of Poker highlights and day old French Open coverage on ESPN2.

I guess my main gripe is that all media seemingly have college baseball on ignore. James Quinn – I’m assuming you’re JQKS on KUSports.com. You can attest how awful the baseball coverage is there, from a website named for and devoted to nothing but KU SPORTS! I think there might have been 3 decent articles about the baseball team posted all year long, bumped down by the latest news from Woodling about Sherron popping a pimple and Mayer waxing nostalgic about the 1915 Border War. The only reason I mention KUSports.com is that their pitiful baseball coverage is a microcosm of the ignored status of college baseball. That the NCAA (and really the athletic departments either, but that ’s another rant for another day) has done nothing to try to grow the sport after seeing how its ignored is shameful.

/rant over

by RyneSandberg on Jun 1, 2008 5:20 PM CDT   1 recs

I do use JQKS at KUSports.com

And I couldn’t agree more about how little coverage college baseball gets here in western Kansas. But I try not to get too hung up on that because there isn’t much I can do in the big picture sense. Actually, If the LJ World and KC Star spent more time covering college baseball in the area I probably never would have started writing about the sport on this blog. I’ve tried to add a bit more depth to the coverage of the Hawks and college baseball as a whole than readers are likely to get from newspapers.

Anyway, I know that even though coverage of college baseball is pretty light in the local main stream media that the sport has a very healthy following. I think KU might have the lowest attendance in the Big-12 and the Hawks still draw an average of about a thousand fans to home games. Nebraska, Texas A&M, Texas, etc, regularly draw 4,000+. I certainly don’t feel alone in my fandom.

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by James Quinn on Jun 1, 2008 5:35 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yea, it seems there are enough college baseball fans for ESPNU to draw pretty decent ratings...

Certainly more than a bunch of the absolute crap they have on there. I have only attended a couple of college baseball games in my life, but I know that I would watch as many college baseball games as possible if they were on TV, as once college basketball season is over it has only the NBA Playoffs and MLB to compete with.

I’m very disappointed with ESPNU and their coverage of the Tournament, there are enough channels to have three regionals on ESPNU, another two on CBSCollegeSports and another couple on regional networks.

by rockchalk on Jun 1, 2008 9:55 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Lolz@ teh Big12

Eat your words you dumb homer. The SEC appears weaker than the Big12 because nearly all of its members have very competitive teams. Im not sitting here saying that the SEC is the best conference in the country… I think its clear that honor belongs to the ACC. Im just hope in the future you will think about what you write before you post it and look like a fool.

by Dashlok on Jun 3, 2008 9:23 AM CDT   0 recs

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