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The Morris Twins: Victims of Circumstance

Ever since Bill Self took over as the Head Coach here at KU, he has always made sure of one thing; there would be plenty of bigs to come off the bench. Being such a large proponent of defense as he is, he is essentially forced to have a large bounty of tall, atletic solid defenders to call on. It is what let us have so much success last year, particularly in the NCAA Tournament; we had more bigs than everyone else, so they were fresher, and could play at a higher intensity level when they are in.

Self's first recruiting class consisted of three bigs in Sasha Kaun, Darnell Jackson and C.J. Giles. None of them were pressed into any more early action than they proved they deserved on the court, as there was All-American Wayne Simien and experienced, veteran-y Chistian Moody in front of them. All of the freshmen were afforded the opportunity to sit and learn, going up against the more-established players each day in practice, garnering play time at the levels that most benefitted their development. C.J. got the majority of the playing time early, because he proved he was the most ready for big-time college basketball. Sasha and Darnell, on the other hand, were allowed to develop at their own pace and work their way up to seeing significant minutes in sigificant games.

Self's next batch of recruits was more perimeter-oriented, with Julian Wright being the only 4 or 5 of the bunch. Julian, of course, is different than your average 4, and is such a unique player that there was little he could learn. So, he received more playing time as a freshmen. But when Darrell Arthur came in, same thing. Now, it was two players who had previously spent time on the bench soaking up knowledge (Julian Wright and Sasha Kaun) who deserved the starting role, letting DA learn from the bench. Darrell learned plenty, and then when Julian bolted early for the riches of the League, he took over the starting role. This allowed last year's prized recruit, 6'11" Cole Aldrich, to learn in a low-pressure environment; practice and garbage time. Cole wasn't pressed onto the floor in high-pressure situations until, ironically enough, the Final Four, quite possibly the highest form of pressure that exists in all of college basketball. Of course, by then, it was the end of the year, and he had learned so much in practice, he handled it wonderfully (outhustling America's Sweetheart and "hardest working player in America" Tyler Hansborough, I might add).

The cycle was set. It was to run like clockwork; the incoming freshmen were allowed to simply sit on the bench and learn through practice and garbage minutes, while more experienced bigs, who had already gone through the initiation to big-time college basketball, took the lion's share of the playing time.

But it didn't work out so well this year. Julian, who by eligibility standards should be a senior right now, and Darell, who should be a junior, were slated to be the starters, while Cole, as a sophomore, would be in line to receive an increase in minutes. And hey, no one probably expected Julian to last until this year. But, Darrell is supposed to still be around, allowing the young crop of freshmen a year to learn, process and get better.

 Instead, the Morris twins are being pressed into action. With only Cole as an experienced vet to look up to, both Markieff and Marcus must play an inordinate amount of minutes for Bill Self freshmen. I mean, Marcus is averaging 20.1 minutes a game (6th on the team) and Markieff is averaging 18.3 per game (7th on the team). Compare that to the bounty of freshmen I just named in their first year at Kansas:

  • Sasha Kaun -- 10.0 minutes/game -- t8th on team
  • C.J. Giles -- 8.3 minutes/game -- t10th on team
  • Darnell Jackson -- 7.0 minutes/game -- 12th on team
  • Darrell Arthur -- 19.0 minutes/game -- 5th on team
  • Cole Aldrich -- 8.3 minutes/game -- 9th on team

Now, beyond Julian, Darrell appears to be another outlier, but even then he technically came off the bench. And even then, Marcus is averaging more minutes a game than he did. In fact, even Julian's MPG average his freshman year (20.1) is identical to Marcus' average.

So, here's my point. These kids are being depended on more than any other freshman big in Bill Self's career at Kansas. They are expected to be two of the three cogs on the interior, and while they continue to show flashes, they simply are not there in the developmental process to excel. So, sure, if you expected them to step in and play like Darrell Arthur his freshman year, then I suppose their play thus far has been disappointing. Yeah. But, when saying that they aren't living up to expectations, consider the depth Darrell had in front of him. Julian. Sasha. Darnell. Darrell was merely supposed to be an incredibly athletic, fadeaway-shooting role player. The Morris twins, on the other hand, are essentially serving as crutches, holding this team up just barely. Without Markieff and Marcus, our team is mind-numbingly worse. We are giving Quintrell Thomas starts, and Conner Teahan is playing 10 minutes a night at 4. Hell, Matt Kleinmann is seeing regular playing time. The two Morris twins are life-savers, keeping the season afloat. If they were afforded the opportunity to sit back and learn like just about every other big in Bill Self's coaching career has had, we would all be thrilled with the progress they've made. I'm sure of it. But, instead, they are having to rotate a starting slot between the two, with whoever isn't starting almost always the first body off the bench.

And, when two young kids are put in a situation like that, the most you can hope for is improvement. You can't possibly expect results from Day One, you can only hope that they get better every day, so by Day Hundred there is some noticeable progress and they are approaching the stage where they can consistently show up and give you 14 and 8, or whatever you want. Both players have plenty of deficiencies, sure. Markieff can't make a free throw, picks up almost as many stupid fouls as Darrell Arthur and isn't the best boxer-outer in the world. Marcus isn't too hot from the stripe either, isn't a big fan of boxing out and gets overmatched by more physical opposition, almost always by taller people. Hey, what a surprise. Some freshmen have weaknesses. And there's more, too. Neither one of them have a great mid-range jumper and they both make their fair share of stupid passes.

But they are quite the talented duo, as well. They both hustle up-and-down the floor without fail, they both have the knack for the nifty pass (kind of Julian Wright-like, although neither are as good as the master of the highlight reel pass; of course, Wright committed a bazillion turnovers too, so maybe that's a good thing), they both have developed some nice low post moves (especially Marcus) and they both are athletic enough to cover most opposing bigs. They are both, in a word, developing. And hell, isn't that what you should expect from two freshmen in a rebuilding year.

Basically, I just don't get all the negativity around Markieff and Marcus Morris. They both are playing fine, in my opinion, and we have much bigger problems outside of them. Sure, our low-post game isn't all that hot, but it's hard to blame two freshmen who are visibly improving each time out there. If you want to play the blame game, blame Bill; he was the one who effectively shaped this roster. And yeah, everyone obviously realizes we need some help down low; that's why Withey is transferring over. But the Morris twins are fine basketball players, and they are improving.

That is a lot of words for such a simple point, but hey, whatever. I have a slight bias on this issue, as Marcus Morris is probably my favorite player on the team (no rational reason, I just started liking him for some reason) and I love Markieff as well. I think they are both going to be quite good when all is said-and-done, a day that might be coming earlier than most are expecting.

Just because they play a bigger role in our team doesn't mean more should be expected from them. It isn't like they get a bigger role because they outplayed established, proven players who had been at school for a couple of years. They beat out a career walk-on in Matt Kleinmann and, well, I suppose a fellow freshman in Quintrell Thomas. Conner Teahan too, if you ever considered him a legitimate player at the 4. And if you did, I don't know what to say.

Plenty more tomorrow, mostly football content though...

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My Only Issue with the Morris Twins

Are they really “bigs”? Regardless of their listed heights, IMO they play at about 6’6 and 6’7. They’ve got nice fundamentals, and seem to play hard. But (at this point, anyways) they seem to be controlled by bigger opponents (especially against Syracuse and Arizona).

The heights alone wouldn’t be a big issue, except that they seem to lack explosive jumping ability, and their frames aren’t such that they could put on some significant pounds and compete down low with physical strength.

While I think they will continue to develop, and can understand that they’ve been placed in a difficult situation, I still worry about where their “ceilings” are at as big time college basketball players. In essence, I’m not worried about where they’re at now- I’m worried about where they’ll end up.

by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Dec 29, 2008 2:44 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well, if they aren't "bigs"

that would be even more reason not to consider them disappointing. Then, they are essentially playing out-of-position as well. Especially Marcus, who everyone said was a 3 coming out of prep school.

Hopefully, with Withey and our other incoming big (his name escapes me at the moment…), Marcus can move to the 3 and play his natural role.

by rockchalk on Dec 29, 2008 1:52 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thomas Robinson...

Self called him the best rebounder out of high school he has ever seen.

Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.

by Denverjhawk on Dec 29, 2008 2:30 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This goes back to the comparison of...

this years squad to the 04/05 team you had last week. While there are similarities the inexperience of this team is far greater than that one and because of that I think the lows will be lower but hopefully the highs will be just as high once these guys have taken their lumps and learned from it.

Enjoyed the post, good reading.

Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.

by Denverjhawk on Dec 29, 2008 7:53 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm not down on them...

but I also don’t think they’re absolved from blame simply because they are getting more playing time. That’s any freshman’s dream. And more specifically, they’re in no different position than Tyshawn Taylor, someone who is relishing the role.

With that said, I also think you’re completely right – but for a different reason. I’ve always thought some of Bill’s best coaching with his young talent was his willingness to sit them for lesser players that have “earned” the playing time (i.e. Vinson over Mario). Nothing gets to a young guy like sitting on the bench. And while Self is able to start Kleinmann against Jackson State (Morris twins off the bench combined for 21 & 8), he can’t exactly do that against Arizona and the likes of many Big XII opponents.

Like most, I never expected DA to stick around for three years, so I figured this would be a huge issue. It’s just too bad we don’t have a Christian Moody that we can play to give the Morris’ (& Quintrell) that extra incentive to learn and hustle – or else they won’t see the floor. Because as we saw during the first half the other night, they’re not even nearing their ceiling most games.

by hiphopopotamus on Dec 29, 2008 9:07 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You have to love the fact...

that we can actually long for the days of a walk-on turned legit Big 12 starter like Christian Moody…that my friends is a great basketball program.

Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.

by Denverjhawk on Dec 29, 2008 9:15 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

In truth...

we all are

Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.

by Denverjhawk on Dec 29, 2008 1:52 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Loved this post...

b/c this is exactly what I’ve been thinking all along. I mean even the one freshman big we’ve had that has played as much as these guys was much more talented and considered a possible one-and-done player when he first came to KU (Darrell). Other than that, everyone has needed time. Also, everyone else was practicing against better players, so I feel that their development was accelerated early on because of this. In the end, I think the twins are going to start to rapidly improve, most likely in this down time we have right now and in the beginning of conference play. If we still see a lot of the same mistakes come February and March, then I think there is a reason to be a little disappointed. Until then, realize that the only reason we’re upset now is because of how much we’ve been spoiled. I guarantee Frank Martin would kill his mother for either of these guys.

by 2.1 seconds left on Dec 29, 2008 6:27 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think simply having...

Withey in for practices the second half of the year will help them improve as well…Withey will undoubtedly be on the “scout” team and go against these guys every day.

Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.

by Denverjhawk on Dec 29, 2008 6:56 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think...

…you’re underestimating Jamar Samuels for us. But we’ll see.

We'll carry the banner high!
Bring On The Cats

by TB on Dec 30, 2008 7:58 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wayne Simien

Wayne didn’t need much time to be very very good.

by MaxHawk on Dec 30, 2008 11:16 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Here again though he practiced...

day in and day out against Gooden and Collison and wasn’t relied on as main big from the get go.

Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.

by Denverjhawk on Dec 30, 2008 11:40 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nice Post regarding the twins

I spent the summer watching these two at Penn Valley in the Kansas City
summer league. I don’t claim to know a lot. I’m told we’ll see flashes of
brilliance…And at other times things will go south.
I think they could both get a lot stronger. This will happen.

All the best!
it’s thatuncle

by thatuncle on Jan 4, 2009 9:54 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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