The Aftermath
And suddenly, the entire complexion of the season has changed. Heading into Saturday, it was generally believed that KU was a full tier below Mizzou in quality, and that they wouldn't stand a chance against Oklahoma or Texas Tech. Skeptics saw the one good performance by Jake Sharp as a fluke, and still were assuming that KU couldn't run the football.
What a difference 24 hours makes.
Today, KU is in sole possesion of first place in the Big 12 North. Mizzou faced a quality opponent for really the first time all season (I know I'm not the only Jayhawker out there that's glad we don't have to face OSU), and couldn't put up the kind of fight at home that KU showed against South Florida down in Tampa. KU now has blueprints to follow in how to beat both the Sooners and the Red Raiders (should Tech even be ranked at this point? They haven't accomplished anything of note to this point). Oklahoma also lost key MLB Ryan Reynolds to a torn ACL. How important was Reynolds? Texas outscored the Sooners 25-3 after he went down. And Jake Sharp now has back to back 100 yard rushing games.
Yesterday was an especially great day to be a Jayhawk. How did yesterday's events change your impression of this season? With a game in hand, are we now the favorites to win the Big 12 North? If you were to do a power rankings of the Big 12, where does KU stack up after yesterday's craziness?
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I still think MIssouri is a better team.
And I still think that, were you to construct a Power Ranking, Missouri would likely be ahead of us. It might not be fair, per se, but that is how it will likely be done.
In any case, it is clear that the Big 12 has six good-to-great teams; more than the SEC (Vandy, as much as I want them to be, isn’t that good, which leaves only: Florida, Georgia, LSU…Auburn?).
I do agree, now, that are chances are substantially greater now than they were 24 hours ago of beating Oklahoma. Ryan Reynolds’ injury is a big part of it, but also because of our new-found running attack and all of that fun stuff.
Should be a fun Saturday, because Missouri is going to have to win on the road against what will likely be the #1 team in the entire country to not start conference play 1-2. And if we can, someway-somehow, beat OU in Norman, well, then, we have all-but-locked-up at least having a chance, going into Arrowhead, of winning the Big 12 North. We just have to be one game back, at the worst, going into the Border War to win the North, and I think, with MU’s loss last night, we just have to win one of the three power-games left on our slate (@ OU, vs. Tech, vs. Texas) to stay within a game of the Tigers. Actually, that isn’t a thought, that is a fact. As long as we lose only twice throughout, we are guaranteed to at least have a chance of winning the North going into the game.
Much of that last paragraph was likely unneeded, but whatever…
by rockchalk on
Oct 12, 2008 11:04 AM CDT
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I don't mind
The extra rambling was kind of refreshing, actually.
And although a pessimistic view of LOSING only 2 games isn’t a healthy attitude for a team, it’s OK for us as fans to do that. Of course, I want them to win every game. But the realistic view is not the same. So we take what we can out of this and build on it.
And I was hoping OU would win; ours would then be more of a “trap” game. But now they aren’t going to take us for granted and come out and probably smash us at their house. Oh well.
Insanity is just a state of mind.
by giants9107 on
Oct 12, 2008 1:19 PM CDT
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Last paragraph is great...
Really get’s me thinking about the possibilities that are out there and how amazing would it be to beat OU in Norman next weekend and Texas beat Missouri
Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.
by Denverjhawk on
Oct 12, 2008 2:26 PM CDT
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Great Question...
Personnally while I certainly enjoyed the outcomes of the games yesterday they didn’t change my impressions of the season. Yes we did get a blueprint to beat both Mizzou and Oklahoma but I’m not sure we have the ability to execute the blueprint as well as either OSU or Texas did. Yes Jake Sharp seems to be getting going with the running game but clearly Texas and OSU are on another level. That said we are in FIRST PLACE and it is wide open, any given saturday anyone can win. If our special teams could win us the field position battle we could’ve blown CU away yesterday.
A couple other ramblings from me…the one game that did change my impression yesterday was the Nebraska v Tech game. After watching a chunk of that game I feel that the Tech game at home is very winnable. My prediction still lies at 8-4 but I’m cautiously optimistic that we might be able to steal another one somewhere and get to 9-3. It’s going to get interesting and fun in the next month and a half.
My Big 12 Power Rankings.
1.)Texas
2.)Oklahoma
3.)Oklahoma State
4.)Mizzou
5.)Kansas
6.)Texas Tech
7.)Nebraska
8.)Colorado
9.)Baylor
10.)Kansas State
11.)Iowa State
12.)Texas A&M
Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.
by Denverjhawk on
Oct 12, 2008 2:24 PM CDT
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I was going to post something like this on my own
But I’ll just add to this thread.
First, the Tx Tech game is very winnable, and I think we should be favored at home. Tech has not proved anything but that they can score some points.
rockchalk – I was about to say almost the exact same thing as your last paragraph. Let’s look at our’s and Mizzou’s schedules the rest of the way and, realistically, what we expect from the Hawks.
KU
@ Oklahoma, L – A win is not out of the question, but it will be tough. I would be happy if we just hang with this very talented team, though.
TX Tech, W – We have to win this game. TX Tech’s defense has yet to prove that they can hang with the top teams and they haven’t really had to play a good defense yet. In Lubbock, I might call it a toss-up, but at home, where we should have beat them in 2004, we will get a win at 11 a.m, Oct. 25th.
K-State, W – I don’t think I have to explain this.
@ Nebraska, W – Going to be a very tough game on the road and is by no means a lock, we have to win this game, though to have a chance at the Big 12 North title.
Texas, L – A lot of me really wants to put this down as a W as makeup for the 2003 game that I ran to Memorial Stadium to halfway through the 3rd Quarter for, only to have my heart ripped out by the officials and Vince Young. That being said, TX is really good and are definitely more talented than us. @ Home I give us a fighting chance, though.
Going into Arrowhead
Worst case scenario – 3-2….. 5-2 Big 12
Best case scenario – 4-1, 6-1 Big 12 (asking a lot I know, but I’m a glass-half full type of guy)
Mizzou schedule
@ TX – L, has to happen. Win isn’t impossible, though.
Colorado – W
@ Baylor – W
K-State – W
@ Iowa St. – W
Going into Arrowhead
Best case scenario – 6-1 Big 12
Worst case scenario – 5-2 Big 12
Kansas vs. Mizzou
Mizzou seems to have more talent than us. But we all know that you can throw that stuff out in a rivalry game.
My question is, let’s say Mizzou runs the table from here on out and they are 6-1 going in, and we are 5-2. We win the game @ Arrowhead and we are North Champs right? It seems so obvious that the tiebreaker is head2head but I just want to make sure.
Either way, KU controls it’s destiny early in Big12 play, which is great. There is a LOT of football to be played, though.
by I need more Esteban on
Oct 13, 2008 11:37 AM CDT
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If they go in 6-1 and we go in 5-2...
technically it is a shared Big12 North Title…for trophy purposes the big 12 doesn’t do a tiebreaker. Examples of this are the Big 12 North Title last year and the Big12 regular season basketball title last year. That said for purposes of seeding in basketball or in this case playing in the Big12 Title game the conference uses head to head record first. So technically in your example we would share the Big12 North Title but we would get the shot at the south Champion in the title game. Hope this helps.
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by Denverjhawk on
Oct 13, 2008 12:14 PM CDT
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yes
That’s what I mean, who would play in the Big 12 title game. Good to hear. How do you see the two teams going the rest of the way?
by I need more Esteban on
Oct 13, 2008 12:16 PM CDT
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Here's how I see it...
optimistically and the way I hope things fall is Kansas 4-1 from here Missouri 4-1 from here giving us the edge going into the last game…
realistically…my preseason prediction on Kansas still holds true 3-2 in the next five means we beat NU, KSU and win 1 out of the OU, TU, Tech trio probably one of the home games. This puts us at 8-3 going into the final game against Mizzou and 5-2 in conference.
Mizzou could lose the game at Texas but after that I don’t see them losing again before Arrowhead and if that’s the case both teams have 2 losses going into the showdown and the winner takes it outright.
KU definetly has the tougher path…if we lose all three of the big games or get upset in Lincoln we are going to need some help from Texas this weekend for sure.
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by Denverjhawk on
Oct 13, 2008 1:21 PM CDT
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Help?
Is it really “help” to expect the number 1 team in the country to handle its business at home?
Mizzou has serious problems on defense right now, and they’re about to face the most complete quarterback in the country. Something has happened to Mizzou’s offense to get it out of sync, and they’re about to face the best d line in the country. I expect Texas to win by at least 10 points this Saturday, and for KU to continue to have a game in hand a week from now.
by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on
Oct 13, 2008 5:53 PM CDT
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Perhaps help...
isn’t the best word I think your right on the Mizzou v Texas game and wouldn’t it be even more exciting if we could get a W in Norman
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by Denverjhawk on
Oct 13, 2008 5:59 PM CDT
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Yeah, that is the same thing that happened last year.
Both teams were 7-1 in Conference play, and both, technically, received Big 12 North Champions trophies. But, as we all know, it was Missouri who got to play against Oklahoma in the Big 12 Championship Game.
So, hopefully, we can do the opposite this year.
by rockchalk on
Oct 14, 2008 1:22 AM CDT
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